Private party firearm transfers require authorization from State Police, January 1st

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Don't forget guys as of January 1st 2014 if you sell a firearm in Illinois you are required to check that the Firearm Owner Identification card is still valid.

This is from their press release today:
Effective Jan. 1, all private firearm transactions in Illinois must be approved by the Illinois State Police. Any non-federally licensed firearm dealer who desires to transfer or sell a firearm will be required to contact the Illinois State Police and provide the purchaser’s Firearm Owners Identification Card number. The Illinois State Police will determine the validity of the FOID Card and Issue an approval number which will be valid for 30 days from the date of issue. The seller is permitted to transfer the firearm to the purchaser after obtaining the approval number and waiting 24 hours for a rifle/shotgun or 72 hours for a pistol.

A private firearm transaction approval number can be requested 24/7 from the Illinois State Police preferably through the ISP website at Link Removed, or by calling 217 524-3847 during normal business hours.
 
Here ya go folks...the ever lasting legacy of complacency in politics...get big mamas permission to do what should never require permission. You folks that live in these nanny states have got to finally get a spine.
 
I hate to say it, but honestly that doesn't seem to be THAT bad of an idea. I just followed that link an it ONLY asks for the FOID # of the buyer. If that's all it wants and doesn't require any S/N's of the guns an doesn't require you to check back with them, that could be a descent system to shut up all these "loophole" idiots and no have to worry about a backdoor registration as you didn't give them enough information to create one. They only know that somebody was found eligible and nothing more and would protect sellers from ever being accused of selling to a prohibited person. There could be something I'm missing as I can't fill the thing out but doesn't seem that bad
 
snatale42 said:
Sales to somebody not in your state would require an FFL xfer in all 50 states.
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But you could sell your gun out of state. Just go there, a state like Arizona, and sell it.

Oh wait....don't do that! We have too many people that used to live in Illinois living here because they "liked" Arizona. Then, at the polls, the vote the same way and for the same kind of people that they voted for back in IL and try to change Arizona to something more like Illinois. I don't get it.
 
Bhoffman said:
But you could sell your gun out of state. Just go there, a state like Arizona, and sell it.

Oh wait....don't do that! We have too many people that used to live in Illinois living here because they "liked" Arizona. Then, at the polls, the vote the same way and for the same kind of people that they voted for back in IL and try to change Arizona to something more like Illinois. I don't get it.
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Same things happening here in VA! I'm from MA and moved here to get away from that crap, you ASSUME that all the other Northeasteners that moved down share your way of thinking....WRONG!
 
snatale42 said:
Sales to somebody not in your state would require an FFL xfer in all 50 states.
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That only applies to handguns. Previously, residents of states contiguous with Illinois could buy long guns as well as residents of other states under certain restrictions (such s valid hunting license).
 
chicagogunsmith said:
Yep. Federal Law. Even if you do it face to face it has to ship to a FFL.
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???

If we are face to face, then we are in the same state. There would be no shipping involved. The buyer would hand me the cash and I would hand them the weapon. Federal law doesn't apply since the transaction is intrastate and not interstate. At least that is how it is done here in AZ where we don't have gun registration, gun permits, prohibition of private sales, etc. Might be different if you are a "subject" of a NON-Free State.
 
I am not a lawyer.

It does not matter if you are in the same state, you still need to ship to a FFL if your states of residence are different.


Q: May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State?

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]




If I physically travel from IL to AZ to buy a firearm from you in AZ, even though we are face to face in AZ, we still must send it to a FFL in IL. AZ and IL law have nothing to do with it. Check ATF.gov and possibly the GCA 1968. Now if we both live in IL or we both live in AZ, it is a totally different ball game, no FFL would then be needed.
 
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chicagogunsmith said:
I am not a lawyer.

It does not matter if you are in the same state, you still need to ship to a FFL if your states of residence are different.
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Not necessarily, If YOU are in the trensferees state and are in legal possession of the gun you can walk into an FFL and the gun can be transfered to the buyer. That does NOT work the other way around though.

Example. I sold a handgun to a buddy who lives in NC. I live in VA. I was in NC with the gun when he decided to buy it. We went to a local shop and xfered it.

If he wanted to sell me a gun he would have to ship it to VA.....OR bring it here and let a VA FFL complete the xfer. I think people are assuming their a legal difference between shipping and bringing the gun to the FFL.

There are some states (everybody knows which ones) where you can't be in possession of a gun being an out of stater. That's obviously a different story.



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