Prints Rejected

[ITCH]

So a buddy of mine i have known all my life that has also been collecting guns for a very long time calls me and says man you are not going to believe this and i was like whats up. He said he went a few months ago to get finger printed so that he could carry his gun or guns if need be. He said they rejected his application because it showed that he had some kind of domestic thing with a ex girlfriend when he was younger. I was like man did you go to jail for it and he was like man i have never hit a woman in my life sure i have had girlfriends and sure who doesn't fight in a relationship sometimes verbally. The thing that he cant understand is he has been collecting buying and shooting guns for more then 10 years now. He doesn't understand how they can reject his fingerprints for having arguments with past ex girlfriends. I thought i would post this since i have never heard anything about this before or ever been in this kinda situation.

 

[eagleeyes]

i have a friend in a similar situation denied for a bogus domestic dispute where his partner called the cops for a silly argument .......my friend is the most level headed person too........i think the system is designed to keep folks from getting permits esp our nations school children being falsely diagnosed as 'add and the sort and unjustly arrested all so later in life they will be denied permits........it's very well thought out by but evil powers that be to take your rights under any excuse they can come up with........ sorry to hear yet another person denied for bogus bs

 

[kerb]

This sounds more like just a failed background check as opposed to something to do with fingerprints.

If he's never been in the military or arrested his fingerprints probably aren't even on file.
Police reports would hang around regardless though.

 

[Gotcha Tactics]

I feel for him. I am going through a similar situation. Back in 2002 I had an argument with my daughter and see called the police. I was hauled to jail and was charge with 5th degree domestic even though I never touched her. I ended up just pleading guilty to disorderly conduct ( which was a big mistake). 2 yrs after that incident I went to the same county to get my carry permit. Surprising I was issued one. Now some years later I am a MN certified instructor. Having moved to a different county I went to renew my permit. The new county denied me because of that incident. Now I am in the process of a long legal battle to get it restored.
Just my story. I hope your friend has better luck.

 

[ITCH]

He is really pissed off. He told me him and his wife now have spent a lot of money on getting there carry permits and now it looks like they will not be getting them. He has also told me he has over 100 guns now and has never had any issues buying or obtaining them his back ground checks were always clean. I just don't know how to help this guy. I mean does he need to contact the courts in the city's he has lived in? Does he need to contact the sheriffs of the counties he has lived in? Is there anything judges can do to help him resolve this? I am just wondering I also feel sorry for the guy and his family.

What he told me he has spent trying to obtain permits for him and his wife:

Safety Course and Class $180.00
Dept Of Safety Fee $230.00

Said he waited 4 months and letter came in the mail saying you have been Rejected !!!

 

[Gotcha Tactics]

I hired a local attorney to handle my stuff. 3000.00 just to start.

 

[Gotcha Tactics]

Also check local laws. In MN they have 30 days to accept or reject you. if they have not responded to you within that time limit you automatically get accepted. maybe look at Handgunlaw.us for your particular state.

 

[ITCH]

Restraining order from a old g/f 10 years ago. He plead guilty to harassing and trespassing and was put on probation. I could be wrong but this does not sound like grounds to keep someone from obtaining a carry permit. I told him to contact a lawyer ASAP.

 

[kerb]

Ah .. sounds pretty close to domestic violence to me.
I wonder if he can pay to get that removed from his record? Sounds like he's been behaving for a pretty long time.

 

[ozzmanluv269]

Tell him to pack up and move north way north in Alaska you don't need a permit to exercise your constitutional rights so long as your able to legally be in possession of a firearm

 

[ITCH]

I am reading the paperwork he gave me. He pleaded guilty to trespassing and was put on probation for 1 year and she put a restraining order on him 10 years ago. That still should not keep him from obtaining a carry permit.

 

[Nightmare45]

And some folks want a mental health background check by who, the same folks who have drugged up and had under their care almost every single mass murderer. Sounds like if you are a mental health professional you should not be allowed around guns, just the facts, just saying.

 

[lsmurphy]

I am reading the paperwork he gave me. He pleaded guilty to trespassing and was put on probation for 1 year and she put a restraining order on him 10 years ago. That still should not keep him from obtaining a carry permit.

Yep, guilty in a domestic..........that'll do it.

 

[buckey01]

In some states you don't need to be found guilty or even be charged for domestic abuse; just being accused is enough to forfeit your second amendment rights. You then have to go to court to prove your innocence. I believe it is or was the case in Iowa. Several years ago there was a Waterloo LEO who lost his weapon and job for this reason.

 

[wallyb]

Re: "He plead guilty to harassing and trespassing and was put on probation."

I don't want anyone who harassed another person to be legally able to carry a handgun around me. Too many former lovers are killed by nutcases, just my opinion. One thing is obvious to me, we have to be very careful not to plead guilty or no contest to any domestic violence charge.

 

[Riverkilt]

Don't have to touch to be guilt of assault in Arizona - and probably other states. In Arizona assault includes "posturing," yelling, even throwing things in the opposite direction of the person you're mad at. Also includes unplugging the phone line. If the "assault" is with a domestic relationship you've committed DV and the consequences begin.

Better to learn the assault laws than to find out the hard way after you've had a "harmless" fight with someone you love.

Course....what do I know? I'm one of those heavily armed mental health professionals....

 

[dblock]

I just applied for mu ccdw here in Ky and they did not print me i know in CT they do. did they forget to print me or do they not have to here in KY do you all know?

 

[Dekul34]

Re: "He plead guilty to harassing and trespassing and was put on probation."

I don't want anyone who harassed another person to be legally able to carry a handgun around me. Too many former lovers are killed by nutcases, just my opinion. One thing is obvious to me, we have to be very careful not to plead guilty or no contest to any domestic violence charge.

Yep, never ever ever plead out on any domestic call or you will lose your rights. Even just signing a citation that requires no jail time can be enough to make you a prohibited possessor for life. You'd better be glad that NICS is so f'd up and doesn't include half the relevant data or you probably wouldn't be able to buy guns at all.

The domestic violence rules while seeming to be common sense do seem to be tailored to taking people's rights away. If anyone gets mad enough to call the cops, the cops feel very pressured to haul someone away from the scene even if just for a night, and to do that they have to come up with some charge, even a very very minor domestic charge is enough to take away your gun rights for life... Be careful folks.

On the other hand, harrassment is a very loosely tossed around charge, as is assault. Someone can do something very normal and innocent seeming to them (trying to apologize to the girl who kicked you out, harrassment, putting your hands on your hips in an argument, assault.) and short of stalking or actual battery I don't think an argument should have the effect of losing your rights.