Positive (Mostly) Encounter in NYC

[MYGLOCK]

WOW, don't think I'll be venturing to Big Apple anytime soon. I guess I’m going to live in my own little bubble and only go where I feel safe. Where I live the police wave at you and chat you up at the store. They know me. I don’t feel like being harassed so I’ll stay home. I don’t have a problem with the NYC LEO’s, they were doing their jobs. I do have a problem with the laws of NYC.

 

[Gettysburg Bill]

I Lived in NYC until 1999.
You have no idea how lucky you are. You could have been arrested.
And, No matter what the outcome, it would have been very expensive for you.
So, be very careful for the rest of the year, you may have used up all your luck for 2012.

~BEST~
BILL------------------------------>

 

[Firefighterchen]

WOW, don't think I'll be venturing to Big Apple anytime soon. I guess I’m going to live in my own little bubble and only go where I feel safe. Where I live the police wave at you and chat you up at the store. They know me. I don’t feel like being harassed so I’ll stay home. I don’t have a problem with the NYC LEO’s, they were doing their jobs. I do have a problem with the laws of NYC.

There is on problem...others have come on here and stated what the New York City statues were, and he was not breaking the law. So it was the problem of the officers. :-/

 

[BC1]

Everything About NYC is Nuts

I was in midtown last year and the parking attendant scraped my wife's new Lexus. He was a middle-eastern guy. He frieked out when I pointed to it. Never said a word, just pointed to the damage. He went nuts. Told me to get out of his country. Imagine that? He laid down in front of the car yelling "run me over." That's a typical day believe it or not.

Anybody have any further questions about NYC?

 

[cgiven1]

There is on problem...others have come on here and stated what the New York City statues were, and he was not breaking the law. So it was the problem of the officers. :-/

No, he was breaking the law. In NYC you can't display a knife at all. That includes having the clip shown outside the pocket. It wasn't the possession that was illegal, it was the display. Not saying I agree with the law. In fact I left NY state to in part get away from their crazy laws. But it is what it is.

 

[Firefighterchen]

There is on problem...others have come on here and stated what the New York City statues were, and he was not breaking the law. So it was the problem of the officers. :-/

No, he was breaking the law. In NYC you can't display a knife at all. That includes having the clip shown outside the pocket. It wasn't the possession that was illegal, it was the display. Not saying I agree with the law. In fact I left NY state to in part get away from their crazy laws. But it is what it is.

After rereading your original post, I can be wrong from a certain interpretation.

So, how would they know if its a clip for a knife or a pen or a flashlight?

I interpret the same way cawpin, sees it, that the clip is not 'displaying'. That the knife is not being displayed unless part or the whole blade is visible and not being used. As I read it, he was not breaking the law, even nyc law...but the interpretation of the law is a whole different ball game...and with those that interpret the law regularly in that city (ie: politicians, judges, police, etc), doesn't surprise me that it happened.

Even if the knife is completely open carried, ie: a knife clipped to a bag, it has no intent to stab someone on its own, and nyc laws such as this one do not help stop the intent of bad guys, and are therefore worthless. I am glad you got out of there cgiven.

 

[MYGLOCK]

There is on problem...others have come on here and stated what the New York City statues were, and he was not breaking the law. So it was the problem of the officers. :-/

I guess I should clarify my position. I believe (or want to believe) that most LEOs are good people. My problem is when a nation, state or city government creates a bunch of laws that only create confusion to the citizens trying to obey them and those charged with enforcing them. There seems to be a lot of gray area here; is the knife over three inches, is it automatic or spring assisted, was it displayed in a menacing fashion. To my feeble mind this is ridiculous.

 

[NoBonesAboutIt]

For all u folks who think that it is just another reason not to visit NYC you don't know what you're missing. There's a lot more to living than the ability to carry guns or knives, but maybe you don't have muc of a life. For people who haven't been I would visit solely for the purpose of the 9/11memorial. I lost a lot of brothers and 2 friends that day. Politics aside, New York has a lot to offer... I wish the gun laws were more lenient but they aren't, hopefully someday soon, but you need t remember there are more than 8 million people in the city and 30000 police.

Everyone talks about this guy being stopped saying it wouldn't happen in my town, I bet your town doesn't have 8m people and30k police. I know a cop who was walking her beat, just picked up a coffee took two steps and was shot for no reason by someone at random through the eye. She left a husband and 2 kids 7 and 3.!things happen here that done happen elsewhere!

@firefighterchen who are you to talk about paranoid NYPD cops when we have had situations like the above happen. That is one example. How about the 2 cops who pulled a guy over for turning a red light, he opened fire killing one cop. If Yo aren't paranoid here you're dead.

 

[NYMike]

Tired of folks dissing NYC

Comparing our towns and NYC and saying either has little to do with each other is absurd. It definitely matters, as my town has brought me up to enjoy freedoms, such as carrying a pocket knife in my pocket with the pocket clip exposed like it was meant to be, and NYC has taught you to bend over. It is the fact that that would not happen in my town, that makes NYC so bad. If all towns acted like NYC, then yea it would not be a big deal.

You have lived in that city way to long to understand what freedom is. Sorry chap You did get one thing right, I have never been to NYC...nor will I ever go to NYC...ever...I'd rather enjoy the rest of the country where I can be an American proudly without a good chance of being sent to jail. May I ask...exactly what reason does the police have to question someone with a pocket knife? Bikenut put it nicely, in New York City you are presumed guilty until proven innocent. These "charlies" and your post really hammer the nail into that coffin.

So to answer your question, can we/I stop ragging on a city I have never visited, no I will not stop ragging on that ridiculous city. BC1 has opened my eyes to the rest of the State, and while it's not perfect, I get it. I make it clear to reference NYC and not NY.

I think you should work as a NYPD officer for a month so you'll know what reason makes them ask to search someone visibly carrying a knife. You won't visit NYC ever, I am sure they will miss you. I bet the culture, museums, sports, arts, entertainment in your neck of the woods is much better. Does this also mean you'll never travel abroad since you cannot carry a knife or gun on an airplane? Yeah maybe NY sucks when it comes to some personal Freedoms like carrying a gun, but at least we ain't rednecks, hicks or hillbillies. We have refined senses of culture.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Comparing our towns and NYC and saying either has little to do with each other is absurd. It definitely matters, as my town has brought me up to enjoy freedoms, such as carrying a pocket knife in my pocket with the pocket clip exposed like it was meant to be, and NYC has taught you to bend over. It is the fact that that would not happen in my town, that makes NYC so bad. If all towns acted like NYC, then yea it would not be a big deal.

You have lived in that city way to long to understand what freedom is. Sorry chap You did get one thing right, I have never been to NYC...nor will I ever go to NYC...ever...I'd rather enjoy the rest of the country where I can be an American proudly without a good chance of being sent to jail. May I ask...exactly what reason does the police have to question someone with a pocket knife? Bikenut put it nicely, in New York City you are presumed guilty until proven innocent. These "charlies" and your post really hammer the nail into that coffin.

So to answer your question, can we/I stop ragging on a city I have never visited, no I will not stop ragging on that ridiculous city. BC1 has opened my eyes to the rest of the State, and while it's not perfect, I get it. I make it clear to reference NYC and not NY.

I think you should work as a NYPD officer for a month so you'll know what reason makes them ask to search someone visibly carrying a knife. You won't visit NYC ever, I am sure they will miss you. I bet the culture, museums, sports, arts, entertainment in your neck of the woods is much better. Does this also mean you'll never travel abroad since you cannot carry a knife or gun on an airplane? Yeah maybe NY sucks when it comes to some personal Freedoms like carrying a gun, but at least we ain't rednecks, hicks or hillbillies. We have refined senses of culture.

Lol refined senses of culture...good one. I should work in NYC as a PO to understand your refined culture that has to frisk people because of a metal clip in some ones pocket. Nice refined culture you have to think everyone out west is a red neck hillbilly. I'm sure you guys won't miss me, like you guys don't miss the 2A, BoR, or the rest of the Constitution.

I have traveled abroad, been to nearly every country in the Pacific rim, can you say that much? Or is your refined culture everything you need?

And yes the sports, entertainment, arts, museums, music, etc are much better. Including the people that can walk around without having knives magically change them from a law abiding citizen to a murderer. We aren't that refined yet.

 

[BC1]

Lol refined senses of culture...good one. I should work in NYC as a PO to understand your refined culture that has to frisk people because of a metal clip in some ones pocket. Nice refined culture you have to think everyone out west is a red neck hillbilly. I'm sure you guys won't miss me, like you guys don't miss the 2A, BoR, or the rest of the Constitution.

I have traveled abroad, been to nearly every country in the Pacific rim, can you say that much? Or is your refined culture everything you need?

And yes the sports, entertainment, arts, museums, music, etc are much better. Including the people that can walk around without having knives magically change them from a law abiding citizen to a murderer. We aren't that refined yet.

I go there for medical care... in and out asap! I can live without the NYC culture for sure. One must never underestimate the lunacy of NYC residents. They actually like and support such loss of freedoms.

The problem with NYC must be laid at the feet of the federal courts. According to them, Bloomy is not violating the second amendment because he will allow you to own a handgun in your home. He won't let you carry it. And the federal courts have ruled that the 2A does not provide the right to carry a weapon. Crazy.

Yet when I'm in the city I always remark to my wife that there is no safe direction in which to fire. There are hundreds of thousands of people on the streets. Sometimes there are millions of pedestrians... all on 3X7 mile island. Most people in NYC don't generally own cars as a parking space can cost as much as $1,000 per month. A taxi is nearly impossible to hail so the subways, sidewalks and buses are packed with millions of people. One rule in personal protection is that you can't take the shot unless the background is safe. There is no safe background there. I'm not sure how this eventually gets reconciled.

 

[NYMike]

I go there for medical care... in and out asap! I can live without the NYC culture for sure. One must never underestimate the lunacy of NYC residents. They actually like and support such loss of freedoms.

The problem with NYC must be laid at the feet of the federal courts. According to them, Bloomy is not violating the second amendment because he will allow you to own a handgun in your home. He won't let you carry it. And the federal courts have ruled that the 2A does not provide the right to carry a weapon. Crazy.

Yet when I'm in the city I always remark to my wife that there is no safe direction in which to fire. There are hundreds of thousands of people on the streets. Sometimes there are millions of pedestrians... all on 3X7 mile island. Most people in NYC don't generally own cars as a parking space can cost as much as $1,000 per month. A taxi is nearly impossible to hail so the subways, sidewalks and buses are packed with millions of people. One rule in personal protection is that you can't take the shot unless the background is safe. There is no safe background there. I'm not sure how this eventually gets reconciled.

I don't understand why people make such generalizations about NYC residents. I lived there for 40 years until I moved to Las Vegas. I support the 2a and have carry guns and rifles and such as well as when I lived in the city. Why I left was I wanted to carry if I so chose to do so, not just have a gun in the home for home defense only. There are a lot of great things about NYC that's why so many people move there, but obviously there are lots of negatives too. My salar was 4 times higher there for the same job here in Las Vegas, that's one positive about living there because the cost of living here is sure as heck not 1/4 the cost of living in NY.

So many people state they won't visit NYC or dc because of the politics there. That is so very narrow minded IMHO. There is a lot to do and see that you can't anywhere else in the country.

 

[NYMike]

Lol refined senses of culture...good one. I should work in NYC as a PO to understand your refined culture that has to frisk people because of a metal clip in some ones pocket. Nice refined culture you have to think everyone out west is a red neck hillbilly. I'm sure you guys won't miss me, like you guys don't miss the 2A, BoR, or the rest of the Constitution.

I have traveled abroad, been to nearly every country in the Pacific rim, can you say that much? Or is your refined culture everything you need?

And yes the sports, entertainment, arts, museums, music, etc are much better. Including the people that can walk around without having knives magically change them from a law abiding citizen to a murderer. We aren't that refined yet.

Let me ask you... In these travels of yours to the pacific rim and elsewhere, why did you travel there? Did they respect your right to carry a gun? How about a knife? What was in their bill of rights pertaining to armed carry and self defense? Did you go to Singapore? Didja chew gum? So again I ask why did you go to the Pacific Rim countries but won't go to NY?

 

[Firefighterchen]

Lol refined senses of culture...good one. I should work in NYC as a PO to understand your refined culture that has to frisk people because of a metal clip in some ones pocket. Nice refined culture you have to think everyone out west is a red neck hillbilly. I'm sure you guys won't miss me, like you guys don't miss the 2A, BoR, or the rest of the Constitution.

I have traveled abroad, been to nearly every country in the Pacific rim, can you say that much? Or is your refined culture everything you need?

And yes the sports, entertainment, arts, museums, music, etc are much better. Including the people that can walk around without having knives magically change them from a law abiding citizen to a murderer. We aren't that refined yet.

Let me ask you... In these travels of yours to the pacific rim and elsewhere, why did you travel there? Did they respect your right to carry a gun? How about a knife? What was in their bill of rights pertaining to armed carry and self defense? Did you go to Singapore? Didja chew gum? So again I ask why did you go to the Pacific Rim countries but won't go to NY?

Went to all the countries before 18 years old, wasn't into firearms until I was 23. I traveled there with my father on his business trips. I was to young, brought up in a family that never owned guns, to care about my rights.

Its sad that a city in our own country has less liberties than some of those countries I visited and you think that's okay...I won't go to New York City, because I am an American, and in New York City, being an American is illegal.

Let me ask you, how can any New York city resident call themselves an American after giving up so many of their rights?

 

[BC1]

I don't understand why people make such generalizations about NYC residents. I lived there for 40 years until I moved to Las Vegas. I support the 2a and have carry guns and rifles and such as well as when I lived in the city. Why I left was I wanted to carry if I so chose to do so, not just have a gun in the home for home defense only. There are a lot of great things about NYC that's why so many people move there, but obviously there are lots of negatives too. My salar was 4 times higher there for the same job here in Las Vegas, that's one positive about living there because the cost of living here is sure as heck not 1/4 the cost of living in NY.

So many people state they won't visit NYC or dc because of the politics there. That is so very narrow minded IMHO. There is a lot to do and see that you can't anywhere else in the country.

Mike, I'm not making generalizations. I went to school there for years and raised capital for my business from NYC investment banks. I've spent a lot of time there. Hell, I was at the WTC just a week before it was attacked. But federal court decisions have in fact determined that the 2A doesn't provide for the right to carry. Therefor Bloomy is within the law. That bothers me. We must not lose sight of the fact that the residents of NYC repeatedly elect anti-gun liberals & democrats to represent them in the state senate and assembly. The influence of the NYC population is so great (40% of the entire state) as to control the vote in both the state assembly and in federal elections. You can't even own a BB gun in NYC.

Yes, the overall salaries are much higher in NYC than most other cities, but so is the cost of living. I once looked into buying a loft on the lower East side, near the South Street Seaport. A one-bedroom loft (1,200 lousy square feet) was running just over $1 million. No elevator, No yard. No balcony. No view. My wife and I needed to make a combined income of $550,000 per year to afford living there. I've also spent time in East New York (Brooklyn), New Lots (75th precinct - give us 22 minutes and we'll give you a homicide). People there need to carry a gun. Even the cops are hesitant to stop at a red light (read "Brooklyn Bounce" by Joe Poss). Yet the people continue to support an anti-gun city-wide policy and the politicians that support it.

 

[NYMike]

Mike, I'm not making generalizations. I went to school there for years and raised capital for my business from NYC investment banks. I've spent a lot of time there. Hell, I was at the WTC just a week before it was attacked. But federal court decisions have in fact determined that the 2A doesn't provide for the right to carry. Therefor Bloomy is within the law. That bothers me. We must not lose sight of the fact that the residents of NYC repeatedly elect anti-gun liberals & democrats to represent them in the state senate and assembly. The influence of the NYC population is so great (40% of the entire state) as to control the vote in both the state assembly and in federal elections. You can't even own a BB gun in NYC.

Yes, the overall salaries are much higher in NYC than most other cities, but so is the cost of living. I once looked into buying a loft on the lower East side, near the South Street Seaport. A one-bedroom loft (1,200 lousy square feet) was running just over $1 million. No elevator, No yard. No balcony. No view. My wife and I needed to make a combined income of $550,000 per year to afford living there. I've also spent time in East New York (Brooklyn), New Lots (75th precinct - give us 22 minutes and we'll give you a homicide). People there need to carry a gun. Even the cops are hesitant to stop at a red light (read "Brooklyn Bounce" by Joe Poss). Yet the people continue to support an anti-gun city-wide policy and the politicians that support it.

I agree with a lot of what you said. NYC has a lot of problems with it's liberalpolitics and I decided to vote with my feet. That's one of the reasons I left. I decided as I grew older and my political and life view changed that I couldn't live in a city or state that didn't support my right to defend myself how I choose, as a law abiding citizen.

In fact I got my NYC handgun and rifle permits in the years leading up to my move. Yes, we needed rifle permits too... the pistol permit was for home defense only, not carry. I joke that I left because of my right. The strangest part was that in my home I had 2 handguns, 4rifles, 2 shotguns, but could get arrested for a BB gun or slingshot, both of which I'll deny having

 

[cgiven1]

Mike, I'm not making generalizations. I went to school there for years and raised capital for my business from NYC investment banks. I've spent a lot of time there. Hell, I was at the WTC just a week before it was attacked. But federal court decisions have in fact determined that the 2A doesn't provide for the right to carry. Therefor Bloomy is within the law. That bothers me. We must not lose sight of the fact that the residents of NYC repeatedly elect anti-gun liberals & democrats to represent them in the state senate and assembly. The influence of the NYC population is so great (40% of the entire state) as to control the vote in both the state assembly and in federal elections. You can't even own a BB gun in NYC.

Yes, the overall salaries are much higher in NYC than most other cities, but so is the cost of living. I once looked into buying a loft on the lower East side, near the South Street Seaport. A one-bedroom loft (1,200 lousy square feet) was running just over $1 million. No elevator, No yard. No balcony. No view. My wife and I needed to make a combined income of $550,000 per year to afford living there. I've also spent time in East New York (Brooklyn), New Lots (75th precinct - give us 22 minutes and we'll give you a homicide). People there need to carry a gun. Even the cops are hesitant to stop at a red light (read "Brooklyn Bounce" by Joe Poss). Yet the people continue to support an anti-gun city-wide policy and the politicians that support it.

Federal court decisions which came before the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment was an individual right and then incorporated that right to the states. The most recent ruling out of Maryland is that people do have the right to carry outside the home and that the states can't ration that. In the judges own words to paraphrase, the existence of a right is the only reason needed to excercise the right. The tide is turning and NYC is even more likely to be left behind. I never lived in the city, I grew up in upstate, northern NY. I would never live there now. I moved to Texas, leaving my entire family behind in NY, becuase I couldn't live under that system anymore. I won't move back until the people wake up and start to demand their rights back.

 

[ArkhmAsylm]

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