Positive Interaction with LEO

[sxedrummer]

I flew by a semi yesterday so I could make it to my exit on my way home from work.

A Sheriff's Deputy was right there to see it, though I doubt he was in any position to know how fast I was going based on the circumstances.

Either way, he pulled me over a short time later for speeding, which I most definitely did.

I follow a script when I get pulled over (lead foot) and it has worked for me for years. After following the script, to which I have added a careful statement about a permit to carry concealed, I was asked for my ID and proof of insurance. I was able to produce only a copy of the insurance for my other car (my wife and I had switched) in addition to the necessary identofication. After I explained this, I told him the correct paperwork was in the glove box, but so was my firearm.

I asked how he would like me to proceed. The last thing I want to do at this point is haphazardly and suddenly reach toward a weapon.

He requested that I step out of the vehicle and wait for him to run my ID so he could let me go with a warning.

For a warning, I happily obliged.

Between his professionalism, and my preparation for just such a situation, no one had to worry about getting shot, and no one had their rights trampled either.

Most LEOs where I live are quite knowledgeable of the law, and encourage the lawful exercising of our constitutional rights. If everyone acts with respect toward one another, we all go home happy.

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[NavyLCDR]

I flew by a semi yesterday so I could make it to my exit on my way home from work.

Why couldn't you make your exit on your way home from work from behind the truck? Maybe a far better solution to your multiple interactions with the police would be to obey the speed limit? But, it is nice to know how you figured out how to kiss their a$$es to get out of tickets.

 

[wolf_fire]

So would the interaction be deemed "negative" if you got the ticket you deserved by driving recklessly?

 

[sxedrummer]

Why couldn't you make your exit on your way home from work from behind the truck? Maybe a far better solution to your multiple interactions with the police would be to obey the speed limit? But, it is nice to know how you figured out how to kiss their a$$es to get out of tickets.

Circumstances would have prevented me from making my exit. The right lane was full, I was in the center lane, and the deputy was in the left lane ahead of the semi. Where I drive, people aren't so courteous as to let you into their lane, unfortunately.

To clarify, my script was developed when I had a lead foot in my teens. I've slowed down to the speed limit now that I've grown, but put a lot of thought into how to tactfully inform when necessary. For the sake of brevity, I opted not to go into such detail in my original post, since this is a forum about carrying firearms, not driving regulations.

So would the interaction be deemed "negative" if you got the ticket you deserved by driving recklessly?

I'd hardly consider passing to be "reckless," but no, Wolf, even if I had gotten a ticket, this would still have been a positive interaction. The point is that we treated each other with respect and no one had to fear for their lives or rights. Not all cops are bad.

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[farsidefan1]

Actually I'd like more detail on your script. When ever I have been pulled over (rarely) I get a ticket. I have a daughter who speeds regularly but because of her looks or whatever she has never received a ticket. I'm always polite and cooperative but for whatever reason I always get nailed.

Life ain't fair but then who said it had to be?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Actually I'd like more detail on your script. When ever I have been pulled over (rarely) I get a ticket.

Do you show the officer your government issued "good guy" card and offer your firearm for him to fondle "for his safety"?

 

[sxedrummer]

Do you show the officer your government issued "good guy" card and offer your firearm for him to fondle "for his safety"?

If you don't like my story, feel free to move on.

Farsidefan: Don't feed the troll.

 

[telpinaro]

Actually I'd like more detail on your script. When ever I have been pulled over (rarely) I get a ticket. I have a daughter who speeds regularly but because of her looks or whatever she has never received a ticket. I'm always polite and cooperative but for whatever reason I always get nailed.

Life ain't fair but then who said it had to be?

Yeah no kidding! I get about 50/50.


And I'd inform if the officer was going to see my firearm somehow (don't want our fun "element of surprise" here), but I'd have gotten my info out of the glove box before he got to my door. Not that I keep a gun there... The lock is broken.

 

[sxedrummer]

Yeah no kidding! I get about 50/50.


And I'd inform if the officer was going to see my firearm somehow (don't want our fun "element of surprise" here), but I'd have gotten my info out of the glove box before he got to my door. Not that I keep a gun there... The lock is broken.

Actually I'd like more detail on your script. When ever I have been pulled over (rarely) I get a ticket. I have a daughter who speeds regularly but because of her looks or whatever she has never received a ticket. I'm always polite and cooperative but for whatever reason I always get nailed.

I'm happy to share, but first, let me preface this with:

-None of the following is legal advice. If you want that, you’re in the wrong place.
-None of the following is meant to help you fight a ticket in court, it would probably hurt your case if you did. It is meant to help you avoid the ticket in the first place.
-If you’ve broken more than a minor traffic law, and that’s why you’re being stopped, this is the wrong advice to follow. You won’t get out of a DWI with this.
-The short story, is just like mine above, treat LEO with respect, and make sure he is comfortable. It works to your advantage in more ways than one.
-It works, at least it has for me.

Most of it is common sense, but here goes nothing…

1. You see the red and blue lights behind you, don't panic and start fiddling around with your radio, glove box, seat belt and wallet. The lights aren't accusing you of anything, and in all likelihood, you know why you're being stopped. The more you move around in the cab, prior to the officer getting to your window, the more suspicious he will become. (Constitutional? Probably not. Realistic? Yes.)
2. Pull over in a safe location, far enough from a busy street so that the officer can avoid dangerous traffic. It's a good idea to pull over in a public, well lit area at night.
3. Turn on your dome light and hazards if you can access them easily and safely. "Hello officer, I have nothing to hide!"
4. Keep your hands on the wheel. Don't reach for anything, don't even roll down the window until directed to do so. LEO will probably knock. This is when you can turn down your radio or whatever as well.
5. Smile!
6. Apologize if you've done something wrong. (You can do this without admitting guilt if you're careful.) Your only opportunity to get out of the ticket is before LEO walks back to his vehicle to write it. Anything you want to say here can be used against you in court, but if you are respectful and courteous, it probably won’t get that far.
7. Duty to inform depends on your state. I know the laws that apply to me, but I'm not an attorney. Handle this tactfully, and try to avoid the "G word," as Massad Ayoob puts it.
8. Make no sudden movements. Especially if you have a firearm on your hip, don't go reaching for your wallet without telling LEO what you're doing. Depending on Duty to Inform, you don't have to tell him anything about your firearm to tell him you're reaching for the ID he has requested.
9. Say “please” and “thank you,” when applicable. (Common courtesy your mother should have taught you still applies.)
10. Know the difference between “officer” and “deputy,” and use them appropriately. If you can identify the LEO’s rank, use it. (i.e. “Sergeant Jones”). If LEO is an “agent,” you’re effed and this is the wrong advice for you.
11. After he leaves the window, keep your hands on the wheel or in view until he returns. Stay out of your glove compartment, center console, etc.
12. When he returns, smile again.
13. Good luck, I hope you didn’t get a ticket.
14. If you did, don’t be memorable. The less he remembers you in court, the better.
15. It’s okay to leave before LEO does if you can do so safely. Remember to appropriately use your lights and turn signals, especially if that’s why he pulled you over in the first place.

 

[Firefighterchen]

If you don't like my story, feel free to move on.

Farsidefan: Don't feed the troll.

The quote you're referring to was for farsidefan right?

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[CharlesMorrison]

The point is that we treated each other with respect and no one had to fear for their lives or rights.

This quote above has got to be the SCARIEST post concerning LEO's that I've read in a long time!

Has it really come to that? That we should even have that above quote become the "norm" for LEO encounters?
I should not even have the SLIGHTEST fear of a cop during a simple traffic stop.

What state do you reside in, just so I know which one to avoid..


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Bttbbob]

LEO Encounter this morning
Was pulled over for expired tags this morning my a Boca Raton Police Officer. A very beautiful young lady that was very professional. Walked up to the truck and asked did I know that my tag was expired. I said couldn't be my birthday isn't for 2 months. Showed her my Fl DL and told her while we are here, here is my CWL.

Her-"Do you have a firearm?"
Me-"Several."
Her-"Do you have one on you?"
Me-"Yes"
Her-"Step out of the truck please."
Me-"OK"
Her-"Where is it?"
Me-Hands where she could see them at chest level. Pointing to my strong side hip.
Her-"Ok, keep your hands where I can see them, sit back in your truck with the door open"
Me-"Please look at the date of birth on my license, I can't be expired."
Her-"Then there has to be an issue at DMV, please take care of it today." "Here is your DL and CWL and thanks for letting me know".
Me-"By the way tell your Firearms training officer (name withheld) I said hi. He knows me, I own a gun school here."
Her-"Cool, I'll tell him. Have a great day."

This Officer, knew how to handle a stop with a person that was legally carrying. A great experience by her and I.

Timed the stop, from lights on to on my way 14 mins......Love when they handle a stop professionally.

 

[BC1]

I'm not sure the purpose of the post. It merely describes a normal interaction.
.
My last interaction...
.
Do you know why I pulled you over?
- NO.
You have a brake light out.
- OH, OK.
Do you have any drugs or weapons in the car.
- YES, A LICENSED HANDGUN.
May I see your permit?
- YES (gave it to him)
Ok thanks (gives back permit). Jut wanted to let you know the brake light is out.
- THANKS.
Your welcome. Have a good night.
.
A NON EVENT.

 

[sxedrummer]

This quote above has got to be the SCARIEST post concerning LEO's that I've read in a long time!

Has it really come to that? That we should even have that above quote become the "norm" for LEO encounters?
I should not even have the SLIGHTEST fear of a cop during a simple traffic stop.

What state do you reside in, just so I know which one to avoid..


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

Does everything in this forum get taken so GD literally?

My point was that I didn't go reaching for a gun and get shot. Of course you should be afraid that a misunderstanding/accident with another armed person could lead to your death! If you aren't aware of your surroundings, and plan for things that MAY happen, you should leave your gun at home.

 

[sxedrummer]

I'm not sure the purpose of the post. It merely describes a normal interaction.
.
My last interaction...
.
Do you know why I pulled you over?
- NO.
You have a brake light out.
- OH, OK.
Do you have any drugs or weapons in the car.
- YES, A LICENSED HANDGUN.
May I see your permit?
- YES (gave it to him)
Ok thanks (gives back permit). Jut wanted to let you know the brake light is out.
- THANKS.
Your welcome. Have a good night.
.
A NON EVENT.

If you're confused as to the purpose of the post, may I refer you to the name of the forum? "LEO Encounters."

This was, in fact, a LEO Encounter.

 

[NavyLCDR]

If you don't like my story, feel free to move on.

Farsidefan: Don't feed the troll.

Seriously? You had 12 posts and your OP in this thread was a repeat of the same post that someone makes at least once a month. And your telling the guy with over 5,500 posts and 5 years member here to move and and calling me a troll? Just in this particular thread maybe you should look at how many likes my posts have received compared to yours.

 

[sxedrummer]

Yeah, I called you a troll, because you jumped all over this thread trying to bait people into an argument, and overall pretending to know things you don't.

I could give two $hits how many posts you've made to an internet forum, buddy. I have real world experience to draw on.

As I said, feel free to move along.

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[MyFred]

This quote above has got to be the SCARIEST post concerning LEO's that I've read in a long time!

Has it really come to that? That we should even have that above quote become the "norm" for LEO encounters?
I should not even have the SLIGHTEST fear of a cop during a simple traffic stop.

What state do you reside in, just so I know which one to avoid..

Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

You are absolutely correct. We should not have the slightest fear of a cop in any encounter, however, the fact remains that it has come to that.

 

[sxedrummer]

You are absolutely correct. We should not have the slightest fear of a cop in any encounter, however, the fact remains that it has come to that.

Yeah, and what I said was, "no one had to worry about getting shot." So I'm not sure where the outrage came from. My guess is some kind of psychological projection.

 

[BluesStringer]

I flew by a semi yesterday so I could make it to my exit on my way home from work.

A Sheriff's Deputy was right there to see it, though I doubt he was in any position to know how fast I was going based on the circumstances.

Either way, he pulled me over a short time later for speeding, which I most definitely did.

I follow a script when I get pulled over (lead foot) and it has worked for me for years. After following the script, to which I have added a careful statement about a permit to carry concealed, I was asked for my ID and proof of insurance. I was able to produce only a copy of the insurance for my other car (my wife and I had switched) in addition to the necessary identofication. After I explained this, I told him the correct paperwork was in the glove box, but so was my firearm.

I asked how he would like me to proceed. The last thing I want to do at this point is haphazardly and suddenly reach toward a weapon.

He requested that I step out of the vehicle and wait for him to run my ID so he could let me go with a warning.

For a warning, I happily obliged.

As to the bold text, are you mandated by law to inform? Since you didn't say which state you live in, the question needs to be asked (and answered) before any valid scrutiny of the rest of the stop is evaluated for rights violations. I'll wait for you to answer before commenting on what I see as the potential for your rights to have been violated.

Between his professionalism, and my preparation for just such a situation, no one had to worry about getting shot, and no one had their rights trampled either.

Most LEOs where I live are quite knowledgeable of the law, and encourage the lawful exercising of our constitutional rights. If everyone acts with respect toward one another, we all go home happy.

Quoted as kind of a place-marker that I might reply to after the above question is answered.

Blues