Police Stop; Everyone Cuffed

[MI .45]

Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber - ABC News


Do you find this one disturbing? I'm as pro-LEO as they come but some of the things police departments are doing these days is beyond the pale. Cops can always say that it's "for the officers protection" but what about "the peoples rights protections".

I for one am completely against cuffing citizens at potential interception points and am completely stupefied as to how this could happen in our country, how limited the outcry, the police dept. justification, and the lack of coverage of such an outrageous violation of personal and constitutional rights.

Your comments... I would especially like to hear the comments of current and former law enforcement.

 

[Speedbump]

It kind of sounds rather Gestapoish to me.

Was this guy a killer, did he shoot anyone or did he just rob a bank and injure no one. I don't see the urgency of it all. What was to stop this guy from having a shootout with LEO's when they approached him? He was the last person cuffed, so if he decided to shoot it out with LE, here's all these people standing around with handcuffs becoming targets.

So a bad guy is suspected of being in an Airport Terminal. Do they rush in, handcuff all the passengers, halt all flights/or not, search everyone which would take hours. Then ruin everybody's planned flight at the passengers expense. It can only just keep getting worse if not stopped.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber - ABC News


Do you find this one disturbing? I'm as pro-LEO as they come but some of the things police departments are doing these days is beyond the pale. Cops can always say that it's "for the officers protection" but what about "the peoples rights protections".

I for one am completely against cuffing citizens at potential interception points and am completely stupefied as to how this could happen in our country, how limited the outcry, the police dept. justification, and the lack of coverage of such an outrageous violation of personal and constitutional rights.

Your comments... I would especially like to hear the comments of current and former law enforcement.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. If there was someone who said, "no you can't cuff me," there would be a number of people here who would say, "why? They just want to go home safe to their families. Comply and it won't waste more time. Blah blah."

as another member said in another thread, "they have to push their limits." What do you expect when people have that attitude? Little pushes everyday, until they feel they can do whatever they want.

 

[NavyLCDR]

So, I guess, according to Flanmedic51 standards, this is just another way for police to catch criminals.

If any of these people know anything at all about their 4th Amendment rights, there will be lots of lawsuits filed over this one.

Here's a pretty good analysis and good comments:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/can...yone/#comments

I wonder what would have happened to those of us who routinely carry one or two loaded handguns on our person/in our vehicles?

Any rights attorney with half a brain will see this incident on the news and start trying to contact those persons detained to file lawsuits.​

 

[SCTaber]

I am very disturbed by the actions of the police in this situation! What's next? Neighborhood checkpoints? Random pat-downs? So much for "probable cause"! I am glad they were able to catch the culprit, but the ends DO NOT justify the means!!! As long as LEA's are allowed to use this type of tactics no one is safe from the Gestapo!!!

 

[The_Outlaw]

Judge Napolitano was discussing this incident on Fox News earlier today.
He said that this was a clear violation of the peoples Constitutional Rights.
Even though the bad guy was ultimately caught, I would have to agree with Judge Napolitano.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I am very disturbed by the actions of the police in this situation! What's next? Neighborhood checkpoints? Random pat-downs? So much for "probable cause"! I am glad they were able to catch the culprit, but the ends DO NOT justify the means!!! As long as LEA's are allowed to use this type of tactics no one is safe from the Gestapo!!!

Come on now, there was probable cause. Everyone that was cuffed looked like the bank robber...duh. *Sarcasm*

 

[Finlander]

As a ex-LEO it doesn't sound right.......but I guess you had to be there.

 

[araczynski]

clearly a case where everyone else should've gotten a 'get out of jail free' card for their troubles. I'd expect lawsuits out the wazoo out of this, probably all valid/warranted. it'd be one thing if this was some child molester/kidnapping, i don't think anyone would've objected, but for something like a bank robber??

 

[buckey01]

The police called this investigative detention. As the judge said this morning on Fox if people are placed in restraints it is actually an arrest. It is a serious violation of Constitutional rights. He also mentioned the people could take legal action against the police for false arrest. This is an action that one would expect in a police state. The "gestapo" really oversteped their authority this time. If they are allowed to get away wih this violation of rights we are on a very slippery slope leading towards a police state. I would encourage every citizen involved should sue.

 

[CapGun]

So, I guess, according to Flanmedic51 standards, this is just another way for police to catch criminals.

If any of these people know anything at all about their 4th Amendment rights, there will be lots of lawsuits filed over this one.

Here's a pretty good analysis and good comments:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/can...yone/#comments

I wonder what would have happened to those of us who routinely carry one or two loaded handguns on our person/in our vehicles?

Any rights attorney with half a brain will see this incident on the news and start trying to contact those persons detained to file lawsuits.​

Hey go back and reread the post. You missed his point!

 

[CapGun]

clearly a case where everyone else should've gotten a 'get out of jail free' card for their troubles. I'd expect lawsuits out the wazoo out of this, probably all valid/warranted. it'd be one thing if this was some child molester/kidnapping, i don't think anyone would've objected, but for something like a bank robber??

How would handcuffing everyone at a particular location help catch a "child molester/kidnapping. If you believe it's ok to do that because it was a "child molester/kidnapping and they actually caught the guy I guess it would be ok to dispense with a trial and just "string em up"!

 

[Flanmedic51]

So, I guess, according to Flanmedic51 standards, this is just another way for police to catch criminals.

If any of these people know anything at all about their 4th Amendment rights, there will be lots of lawsuits filed over this one.

Here's a pretty good analysis and good comments:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/can...yone/#comments

I wonder what would have happened to those of us who routinely carry one or two loaded handguns on our person/in our vehicles?

Any rights attorney with half a brain will see this incident on the news and start trying to contact those persons detained to file lawsuits.​

Handcuffing is excessive in this case. But thanks for thinking of me tho Navy.

 

[CapGun]

The police called this investigative detention. As the judge said this morning on Fox if people are placed in restraints it is actually an arrest. It is a serious violation of Constitutional rights. He also mentioned the people could take legal action against the police for false arrest. This is an action that one would expect in a police state. The "gestapo" really oversteped their authority this time. If they are allowed to get away wih this violation of rights we are on a very slippery slope leading towards a police state. I would encourage every citizen involved should sue.

This would indicate a real need to teach the Constitution in Jr High and again in HS. Get active and demand it from the school board.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Handcuffing is excessive in this case. But thanks for thinking of me tho Navy.

How excessive do you think it was? Simply not required excessive but excusable, just an inconvenience? Excessive to the point of violating the 4th Amendment? Excessive to the point of illegal action taken by the police?

Hey go back and reread the post. You missed his point!

Whose point did I miss?

it'd be one thing if this was some child molester/kidnapping, i don't think anyone would've objected, but for something like a bank robber??

Really? So, let's handcuff everyone at McDonald's and ask to see their ID and prove the kids with them are lawfully with them because there is an amber alert in the area.... that would be OK then? Or let's handcuff everyone watching the McDonald's play area and check their ID and run them to see if they are a registered sex offender...that would be OK then? It's for the sake of the children, after all.

 

[Speedbump]

The police called this investigative detention. As the judge said this morning on Fox if people are placed in restraints it is actually an arrest. It is a serious violation of Constitutional rights. He also mentioned the people could take legal action against the police for false arrest. This is an action that one would expect in a police state. The "gestapo" really oversteped their authority this time. If they are allowed to get away wih this violation of rights we are on a very slippery slope leading towards a police state. I would encourage every citizen involved should sue.

Here's the catch. These good people sue the cops. The tax payers foot the bill and all the cops including the chief keep their jobs and their pensions. Something seems a little out of whack here. I think they should fire the Chief then sue HIM!

 

[Raider-3]

I'm shocked that everyone consented to letting the cops search their vehicle's

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm shocked that everyone consented to letting the cops search their vehicle's

Something about police around you with guns drawn and having handcuffs on tends to influence that decision.

 

[Rayb]

I am one of those that more often than not side with the LEOs, but have to say that I have to reevaluate that, some of these folks are truly out of control now.

 

[MI .45]

Here's the catch. These good people sue the cops. The tax payers foot the bill and all the cops including the chief keep their jobs and their pensions. Something seems a little out of whack here. I think they should fire the Chief then sue HIM!

Exactly Speedbump... privatized the gains ("we can do what ever we want and keep our jobs and pensions") and socialize any loss (the taxpayers foot the bill for unpunished mistakes).

As conspiratorial as this may sound... I believe that this is another test of how much the folks will take and how much push-back there might be. The TSA presses our rights every day but we can opt to not fly. But, random events such as this Aurora incident comes along and people are forced to cross paths with licenced and sworn law enforcement where there are real ramifications to individual resistance - one doesn't simply "opt out". Unlike avoiding TSA, one cannot avoid officers "doing their job and following orders" if caught up in an experiment such as this one. Rank and file police officers will follow orders, will exercise loyalty to each other, want to keep their jobs, and most likely will have little concern about squashing and supressing the rights of civilians. If high authority tacitly offers virtual immunity to various police agencies and personnel with the possible exception of lawsuits which will be covered by insurance and taxpayer dollars what do these agencies have to lose? To me, these higher authorities give the green light to LE departments all over the country to test the waters - see just how much they'll take. I personally have never heard of a situation here in the U.S. where everyone in the general vacinity of a crime suspects location is handcuffed. This constitutes a direct violation of one's 4th Amendment rights and this police force had no problem exercising this violation; which proves to me the validity of my sentences above.

IMO we are being set up and are being tested on our resistance to a genuine police state. Police forces around the country are being set up and are being tested on their compliance to new orders, even if unconstitutional.

This my friends, is not the America in which most of us grew up!