Police Report Released

[NCIC105]

Police report on Zimmerman shooting released to the public today. 188 pages

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/05/17/police-documents-in-george-zimmerman-case/


The file is 18,772KB and was too big to post so here is a link to the PDF.

Here are some photos

http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow...rge-zimmerman-investigation-released/#slide=8

 

[localgirl]

Going through it now. Interesting how some of the police stated Z as white, and some as Hispanic. Observe and report indeed.

 

[localgirl]

These people have really frakking bad handwriting.

 

[Stan45]

In looking at this report I found the ME report interesting. From this report we get an idea of where the shot placement is. And how the bullet preformed.
Path of projectile:
Skin, left anterior 5th intercostal space, pericardial sac, right ventricle of heart, right lower lobe of lung, No exit.

Three fragments of projectile are recovered.
The lead core is recovered in the pericardial sac behind the right ventricle.
2 fragments of the jacket are recovered in the right pleural cavity behind the right lower lobe of the lung.
The bullet was a 9mm.

 

[24ever]

Wonder if this will boost Kel-Tec PF-9 sales.

 

[gsim]

I was wondering when someone was going to post this. I checked it out earlier today.

Before, I was trying to withhold judgement on the small fraction of "facts" the media initially reported. Even though some of the news outlets are posting about how one of the cops deemed this incident as completely avoidable the pictures of Zs wounds and the witness putting TM on top of of Z along with the knuckle lacerations really paint a different picture than what was initially reported. I'll wait to see what the prosecutors present at trial, but if this is all they have I can't see Z ending up behind bars.

I'm afraid that the worst thing to come out of this event is that other municipalities will see how things transpired and arrest every individual who shoots in self defense. Maybe that is a prudent way to handle things, but I would hate to have me and my family attacked and be forced to defend myself and need to spend a few nights before an arraignment in jail all because the authorities are afraid of Sharpton/Jackson thugs.

 

[24ever]

Here are a few highlights I jotted down from the 183 page summary:


Pg. 14/83
Reporter: Officer Timothy Smith
"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."

Pg. 15/83
Reporter: Officer Jonathan Mead
"Zimmerman appeared to have a broken and bloody nose and swelling of his face."

Pg. 18/83
Reporter: Officer Michael Wagner
"As the scene came under control, I walked to Ofc Smith's car where Zimmermen was sitting and in handcuff's and used my personal I-Phone (due to an immediate lack of access to a digital camera) to take a picture of Zimmerman's face. I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken. I also saw that the back of Zimmerman's head was also bloodied."

Pg. 37/183
Investigator: Christopher F Serino
"I was informed that statements made by Zimmrman on scene to Officer T. Smith were corroborated by several witnesses, and led to the possibility of this shooting having been in self-defense."

Pg. 38/183
Investigator: Christopher F Serino
"On 2/26/2012 at approximtely 2105 hours I interviewed _____ stated that while inside of his residence he heard a commotion coming from the walk way behind his residence. When he investigated, he witnessed a black male, wearing a dark colored "hoodie" on top of a white or hispanic male who was yelling for help. He elaborated by stating the black male was mounted on the white or hispamic male and throwing punches "MMA (mixed martial arts) style."

Pg. 39/183
Investigator: Christopher F Serino
"I reviewed the 911 calls, specifically 20120571669, placed by _____. In the background I could clearly hear a male's voice yelling either "Help" or "Help Me". fourteen (14) times in approximately 38 second time span. This voice was determined to be that of George Zimmerman, who was appearently yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."

Pg. 56/183
Investigator: Christopher F Serino
"I met with Tracy B. Martin (next-of-kin) [father]...I played the recordings on my desktop computer, and upon playing the 911 call placed by ______ in which a voice is heard in the background yelling for help multiple times, I asked Mr. Martin of the voice calling for help was that of his son. Mr. Martin, clearly emotionally impacted by the recording, quietly responded "no". "

 

[nogods]

Cause, like, I never heard of an unarmed victim getting shot while defending himself from a self-appointed wannabe wyatt earp. Naw, that never happens.

And police reports are perfect. that's why after a client retains me, I'm tell him to just confess because the police report says he did it.

 

[localgirl]

There are at least three areas in the report that work against Z. In one, an officer clearly states that the incident never would have happened if Z hadn't pursued. In two others, instances are noted of Z's racist preclusions--one by police, another by an anonymous witness. I don't think any of these are viable in court, but they don't look very good.

And, as expected, witness reports vary, with some saying Z was getting the crap beat out of him, and others saying there was no physical fight at all.

There's also a few areas that are heavily redacted, heavily as in much more than the areas where you can tell witness identities and addresses are being protected. I don't know if this is because it's irrelevant or because it's under wraps except during trial.

Glad I'm not the judge.

 

[eagleeyes]

erm nogods' trayvon had arms and he was using them to punch and beat zims head in the ground 'mma' style evidently zim couldn't fight so he had a gun for protection and he used it as i would have done as well if someone was on top me beating my head in the ground even if i did follow him to see what he was doing in my neighborhood looking suspicious and drugged up
i watched many in my area and when they see me watching they leave the area they don't attack me but if they did i'd meet force with force........

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Shades of the "Duke LaCrosse Team" case!

I hope this prosecutor remembers the name "Mike Nifong."

-Doc

 

[Deserteagle]

Martin was a punk, Zimmerman was an idiot. Unfortunate situation.

 

[gsim]

if someone was on top me beating my head in the ground....

All the cards haven't been played yet, but I don't think I could convict anyone who shot defending himself while taking the beating Z was. In my mind, if someone knocks you out in a fight you could be dead when/if you wake up. If someone wants to take more than one swipe at my head I don't know if I could not retaliate.

Nearly every homicide could have been prevented. Z could have stayed in his vehicle, TM could have not gone for snacks in the rain, Kennedy could have skipped a publicity shoot in Texas. It is a pretty stupid observation IMHO. From a self preservation standpoint it is probably wise to keep yourself out of such situations. I don't think I can fault Z for trying to help the police and ending up in unfortunate circumstances. I also don't think I could fault TM if he thought he was defending his life by fighting Z. In the end....both would have been better served by retreating, but I'm not sure I'd be able to lock one of them up no matter who "won" the confrontation.

 

[araczynski]

whether T was a wannabe thug or not, Z should have never gotten that close to him to make him feel threatened enough to even want to retaliate, especially when 911 told him to back off. Z may have been getting the snot beat out of him, and T may have taken it way too far by using him as a punching bag for so long, but Z did initiate the confrontation as far as i'm concerned. he should do some time for killing T, you can't claim self defense if you initiated the confrontation and expect to walk free from it.

 

[BluesStringer]

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation. Not a shred, at least not in the public domain.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that but for Zimmerman getting out of his car and following at any distance, none of this would've happened. However, even if everything went down just exactly as Martin's girlfriend says she heard it go down over the phone, following and asking "What are you doing around here?" is not against the law, and does not give Martin any free punches. If Martin threw the first one as Zimmerman claims, Zimmerman is still entitled to his rights of self defense as long as he had a good faith, legitimate fear for his life or great bodily injury. It's hardly arguable that his fear would have been legitimate considering his injuries. As brainless as it was for him to follow the kid, it would've been infinitely more stupid to wait until he was just one punch from being knocked unconscious before deciding to pull the trigger, if the situation was as he claims, on his back with his head being repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk.

The amount of emotion that so many people analyze this case with is breathtaking. It's really a fairly simple case according to the law, unless there is very significant evidence being held back, such as video or eye witnesses that will swear that Zimmerman had his weapon out as he approached Martin or something like that. Absent that though, it's going to boil down to who threw the first punch, or even who made the first physical contact. If there are no witnesses, whether mechanical or living, who saw the very beginning of the face-to-face confrontation, then Zimmerman gets the benefit of the doubt and he walks. If any kind of witness can identify him as physically aggressive, as opposed to simply verbally assertive, he's toast.

I agree that everything flows from Zimmerman's decision to get out of his vehicle, but legally-speaking, that should not convict him, unless, of course, there is a Florida statute which defines following someone whom you perceive as acting suspicious as being against the law. We've had multiple Florida residents post on this subject though, and none of them that I recall have said such a statute exists.

All this stuff about "he started the confrontation" as if that is an established fact is so much nonsense I can hardly stand it. There is ZERO evidence available to us that points to such a conclusion.

Blues

 

[NCIC105]

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation. Not a shred, at least not in the public domain.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that but for Zimmerman getting out of his car and following at any distance, none of this would've happened. However, even if everything went down just exactly as Martin's girlfriend says she heard it go down over the phone, following and asking "What are you doing around here?" is not against the law, and does not give Martin any free punches. If Martin threw the first one as Zimmerman claims, Zimmerman is still entitled to his rights of self defense as long as he had a good faith, legitimate fear for his life or great bodily injury. It's hardly arguable that his fear would have been legitimate considering his injuries. As brainless as it was for him to follow the kid, it would've been infinitely more stupid to wait until he was just one punch from being knocked unconscious before deciding to pull the trigger, if the situation was as he claims, on his back with his head being repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk.

The amount of emotion that so many people analyze this case with is breathtaking. It's really a fairly simple case according to the law, unless there is very significant evidence being held back, such as video or eye witnesses that will swear that Zimmerman had his weapon out as he approached Martin or something like that. Absent that though, it's going to boil down to who threw the first punch, or even who made the first physical contact. If there are no witnesses, whether mechanical or living, who saw the very beginning of the face-to-face confrontation, then Zimmerman gets the benefit of the doubt and he walks. If any kind of witness can identify him as physically aggressive, as opposed to simply verbally assertive, he's toast.

I agree that everything flows from Zimmerman's decision to get out of his vehicle, but legally-speaking, that should not convict him, unless, of course, there is a Florida statute which defines following someone whom you perceive as acting suspicious as being against the law. We've had multiple Florida residents post on this subject though, and none of them that I recall have said such a statute exists.

All this stuff about "he started the confrontation" as if that is an established fact is so much nonsense I can hardly stand it. There is ZERO evidence available to us that points to such a conclusion.

Blues

Yea what he said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[localgirl]

whether T was a wannabe thug or not, Z should have never gotten that close to him to make him feel threatened enough to even want to retaliate, especially when 911 told him to back off. Z may have been getting the snot beat out of him, and T may have taken it way too far by using him as a punching bag for so long, but Z did initiate the confrontation as far as i'm concerned. he should do some time for killing T, you can't claim self defense if you initiated the confrontation and expect to walk free from it.

The law basically says, in a nutshell, you can't touch people. You can look at them, follow them, point and laugh at them, make obscene gestures and call their grandmothers spies. But you can't touch them. Obviously there are a few exceptions to this rule, and the one that has me thinking is OPEN CARRY. I know the law doesn't consider it menacing or brandishing, but I bet combined with actions like these, a jury sure would.

SO I wonder if Z ever showed or hinted at the weapon to cause M to react? I believe he was concealed carrying, since he had the permit and the IWB holster. But who knows?

 

[dusterdude]

If z was told to stay in his car by the dispatcher,then all bets are off,by getting out of his car z escalated the situation

 

[BluesStringer]

If z was told to stay in his car by the dispatcher,then all bets are off,by getting out of his car z escalated the situation

And so it begins again.....He was never told to stay in his car. He was never *told* to do anything. He was asked by the dispatcher if he was following the person and, after replying in the affirmative, the dispatcher said simply, "We don't need you to do that." He replied "OK."

With that being the extent of the part of the dispatcher tape relating to being told or asked to do anything, all "bets" are decidedly not "off."

Blues

 

[fudo]

If z was told to stay in his car by the dispatcher,then all bets are off,by getting out of his car z escalated the situation

Z was not told to stay in his car. When asked by the 911 dispatcher if he was following the suspicious person Z responded "yes." The 911 dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Z responded "OK" and headed back to his truck.
If I'm on the jury, Zimmerman walks. 100% self defense.