Plain cloths LEO lucky he didn't get shot by motorcyclist

Maybe I am just crazy....

.... but what is it about rights that people just don't seem to grasp?

Area Man said:
I think we're missing the point.

Dude on the bike is a dumbass. Deserves what he gets.

Gun was never pointed at the biker. And it was probably more like 4 seconds before the guy identified himself.

Yes, people on both sides screwed up, but the biker is in the wrongest.
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I know a LOT of dumbasses! A lot of them right here on this forum. In fact, I have BEEN a dumbass on more occasions than I care to recount. The point is, rights are rights, no matter how dumb, and how guilty, anyone happens to be. In fact, as has been pointed out multiple times on this very forum, a right which can be invalidated IS NOT REALLY A RIGHT.

As for drawing on a guy coming at you with a gun, I think that, between me getting the bike engine between us, me throwing my helmet at the aggressor, and my amazingly lightning fast draw, I might just take my chances. I believe that it would take less than 5 seconds.
 
Guy jumps out of his car and reaches for his weapon? Given that he's expecting everyone to tremble at his presence (just like your average BG and corrupt LEO), I think he might have been very surprised how fast my sidearm (and 2 holes in his thorasic cavity) would have appeared. It's called TRAINING. And I know, FOR A FACT, I can accomplish this in far less than 5 seconds.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
So Unfeathered Might, you would have drawn on the guy standing 3 feet in front of you, weapon already in hand?

I think it would have been you that ended up dead. Such false bravado.... :cray:
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Go watch the video again.

Guy is getting out of car, you can see him go for his gun, he even has an issue in drawing it at first. At that point I would have drawn and pointed at him. If he then started to bring his weapon up without IDing himself first, yes I would have shot him.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
With gloves on stradlding your cycle while peering through the facemask of your helmet? Dang, you guys are good!

Good armchair quarterbacks, that is.
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MC gloves come in all sorts. Mine are thin leather, just enough to keep the wind and sun off of them. Definitely thin and sensitive enough to draw and fire. And at the distance between the two men, even a mediocre shooter could point shoot and land critical hits.

Think before you type dude.
 
Unfettered Might said:
Go watch the video again.

Guy is getting out of car, you can see him go for his gun, he even has an issue in drawing it at first. At that point I would have drawn and pointed at him. If he then started to bring his weapon up without IDing himself first, yes I would have shot him.
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Unfeatheredmite, now you are talking about shooting a police officer?
Shame on you.

How did you meeting go with the AG regarding you OC'ing a pistol in courthouses?

Cops are not my favorite people. However, they do a thankless job. For that, they get my respect.

Someday, you are going to be in a situation where your gun is not going to help you. Think about that.
 
theicemanmpls said:
Unfeatheredmite, now you are talking about shooting a police officer?
Shame on you.

How did you meeting go with the AG regarding you OC'ing a pistol in courthouses?

Cops are not my favorite people. However, they do a thankless job. For that, they get my respect.

Someday, you are going to be in a situation where your gun is not going to help you. Think about that.
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An unidentified cop with his hand on a gun is a potential BG, and should be treated as one until he ID's.
 
utimmer43 said:
Think before you type dude.
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I'd prefer to think before I shoot. But I suppose the split second it takes to rationalize a good decision in this scenario is too much for you loose cannons. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend how driving a bike like that in traffic is going to end under any other circumstances? Maybe not confronting a LEO with drawn pistol, but really? Knowing there are guys like you out there I commend the LEO for taking every necessary precaution in this case. Are you more concerned with your supposed gunfighting skills or the fact that a dangerous, reckless driver was taken into custody?

What a bunch of whack jobs you boneheads are.
 
theicemanmpls said:
Unfeatheredmite, now you are talking about shooting a police officer?
Shame on you.

How did you meeting go with the AG regarding you OC'ing a pistol in courthouses?

Cops are not my favorite people. However, they do a thankless job. For that, they get my respect.

Someday, you are going to be in a situation where your gun is not going to help you. Think about that.
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No, we're not talking about shooting an officer. We're talking about shooting someone in plain clothes, an unmarked car, no badge, no announcement as an officer until far too long after the gun is drawn, and far longer than it would have taken to react to some perceived maniac fumbling with his own gun.
 
utimmer43 said:
No, we're not talking about shooting an officer. We're talking about shooting someone in plain clothes, an unmarked car, no badge, no announcement as an officer until far too long after the gun is drawn, and far longer than it would have taken to react to some perceived maniac fumbling with his own gun.
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Uteamerr, is your name unfeatheredmite?
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
Are you more concerned with your supposed gunfighting skills or the fact that a dangerous, reckless driver was taken into custody?
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No, but like so many threads tend to, this one has gone in a couple different directions. My comment to you was directly in response to your obviously un-thought-out comment about how hard it would be to draw and fire while wearing gloves and a helmet.

Now, as for the reckless driver... Yes, weaving in and out of traffic at such a speed is foolish. And yes, I'm glad he was pulled over. But I am NOT glad that the officer drew his weapon. Any one of us doing that would be charged and convicted for aggravated assault, and rightfully so. An officer should be held to the same standard. And a plain clothed officer should really be even more careful, because of reasons expressed in this discussion we are having here. It very well could have gotten him killed.
 
theicemanmpls said:
Uteamerr, is your name unfeatheredmite?
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No, but since you obviously missed it when each of those points were made the first time, by UM or others, I figured maybe you'd catch it this time around from me.

That, and I happened to already be right here on this page.
 
utimmer43 said:
No, but since you obviously missed it when each of those points were made the first time, by UM or others, I figured maybe you'd catch it this time around from me.

That, and I happened to already be right here on this page.
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Since you are unfeatheredmits lackey, I will ask you to:
Look at the lower video clip. The last frame. What is that? Looks like a police prowler to me.
I think the mtorcycle moron knew he had at least one, probably two police cars on his tail.
Drawing his pistol would probably got him shot dead.
 
Some here would brag about their false bravado and gunfighting skills, when in all reality they'd probably be the ones crying like a baby begging the bad man with the gun not to hurt them. :sarcastic:
 
Cocked and locked, your entire argument seems contradictory considering your name here. You don't know what my reflexes are and your obvious unwillingness to act in the split second chance that life may give you, the opportunity to save your own life, is indicative that you would loose your life in such an encounter.

Oh and I don't wear gloves when I ride.

theicemanmpls, you really are a troll. Your immaturity is mind boggling and a waste of time for people to read, I can see why you are on so many ignore lists.

Consider this my notice that you are now on mine.
 
Unfettered Might said:
Cocked and locked, your entire argument seems contradictory considering your name here. You don't know what my reflexes are and your obvious unwillingness to act in the split second chance that life may give you, the opportunity to save your own life, is indicative that you would loose your life in such an encounter.

Oh and I don't wear gloves when I ride.
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I never indicated any "unwillingness to act." What I indicated was the need to rationalize the scenario based on the information given in the account of events and the video - not the leading tag line of the thread title, predisposed to feed the fantasies of all you trigger happy quick-draw McGraws out there.

Once again you all fall right into CWM's so ineptly named "editorial protocol." :laugh:
 
Bare bones scenario: guy cuts me off with his car while I'm on my bike. I wear no helmet, no gloves, weapon is readily accessible. guy jumps out of his car and reaches for his weapon, flashes no badge...If this isn't a "shoot scenario", I dont' know what is. Yeah, you might get shot and you might die, but are you just gonna sit there? What the hell are you packing a weapon for? I hope to never find myself in this situation, but if I was ever gonna reach for my piece, this would be the time. You can sit there and wet your pants; not me.
 
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