tommypotatoes
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Here's something from Chicago regarding a recent trend...
Prosecutors: 62-year-old's death just a game for 3 teens - chicagotribune.com
Prosecutors: 62-year-old's death just a game for 3 teens - chicagotribune.com
A single punch is rarely fatal.
Rarely fatal? A quick 'net search brought up just this one example:Murder 1 is a little stiff...I'd have gone for murder 2 or manslaughter if I were the prosecutor. Hell, Zimmerman is looking at murder 2 because prosecutors believe he started the altercation that led to him discharging his firearm. I'm not defending these jackwads...they deserve to be severely punished, but they also had no intent or reason to believe their actions would cause the death of their victim. A single punch is rarely fatal.
Rarely fatal? A quick 'net search brought up just this one example:
From:
The Belfast Telegraph
'20 die' after single-punch attacks
Twenty people have died in one-punch attacks - often fuelled by alcohol - in Northern Ireland since 2004, police have said.
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And that simple search pulled up many references to "one punch"....
Many people think that because an attacker doesn't have something in his hands they are "unarmed" ... but there really is no such thing as an "unarmed" man because the fist.......... or foot.... can be are potentially very effective deadly weapons.
20 incidents? Seriously? Compared to how many single punches that have been thrown? If its 20 deaths out of 200,000 single punches thrown, that's pretty good odds. Hell, me personally, I've seen probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 sucker punches thrown in bars around the world. Now, if your "stats" compared to my experience (and I'm just one guy...imagine how many get thrown that I didn't/don't see), that'd be a fatality rate of 4%.
Look I'm not defending these guys. Yes they are thugs/hoodrats/etc and deserve to be brought to justice. All I'm saying is that, for a murder 1 conviction, the prosecution has to show premeditated intent to kill...even if the premeditation occurred just moments prior to the incident. A reasonable person would most likely not think a punch is going to kill them and that's the battle the prosecutor will have to fight. Any fresh out of law school public defender will be able to beat that charge. Murder 2 or manslaughter, however, does not require near as much burden of proof on the prosecution.
Jeez people...think with your heads from time to time and listen to what someone is actually saying rather than just what you think they are
My point was that one punch being fatal isn't as "rare" as folks might think. And I provided an actual cite to actual facts for just one country over just a few years.
I'm quite willing to have a look at any cites and/or links you provide that reference one punch fatalities....Incredibly weak stats to back up your claim of it not being as rare as people think it is when you find 20 cases spanning an 8 year period in a country that's known for its drunken brawls. You need to show that as a percentage by citing the number of single punch assaults recorded over that time period. Even then, your numbers will be skewed a little due to the number of single punch assaults that weren't reported. If you don't put up all the numbers, it's easy to make an argument in your favor. For example, I can say, accurately I might add, that roughly 250,000 to 500,000 people die a year from the regular seasonal flu virus. That sounds pretty bad. But when I tell you that the total number of people infected with the seasonal flu virus every year is 340,000,000 and that the mortality rate, based on those numbers, is 0.025% to 0.147%, that kind of puts it in perspective. You can't only present one side of an argument without expecting a rebuttal from a different angle. That was my point about your stats
I'm quite willing to have a look at any cites and/or links you provide that reference one punch fatalities....
And a 'net search for one punch fatalities results in a plethora of links to incidents. So my point was quite simple... that one punch fatalities aren't as "rare" as folks might think.