Philadelphia Fiorino Charged for Open Carry, July Court

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Philly Police Harass, Threaten to Shoot Man Legally Carrying Gun - Stossel's Take Blog - FOXBusiness.com

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"A new investigation was launched, and last month the District Attorney's Office decided to charge Fiorino with reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct because, a spokeswoman said, he refused to cooperate with police... He's scheduled for trial in July."
 
Perhaps you didn't hear Fast Eddie Rendell when he was Mayor if the City of Brotherly Shove.

I'm paraphrasing what Rendell said: "It's illegal to carry a gun in Philadelphia. I don't care what the State Law says. Philadelphia Laws were on the books 1st. And we're going to enforce them."

I can't understand why anyone would go to that garbage dump of a city anyway!
 
NavyLT:201343 said:
Horkos said:
God bless Texas!
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Why? You can't even open carry in Texas...
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You miss the point jr. This guy was virtually assaulted by POLICE officers for what legally amounts to chewing gum in public. The left nuts in this country cry foul at the very whisper of infringing on the civil "rights" of even illegal immigrants. But a law abiding American man who decides to be responsable for his own well being and doing so well within the letter of the law has nearly all his rights infringed upon, where's the out cry? Where's the blind liberal rage that so vigorously defends the wronged. If LEO were to pull that crap round here you dont got a job bud. And if you kept up with current news, O/C is a very near reality with the issue being taken up in our state gov. And with a republican majority and a pro gun govner, we got a real good shot(pun intended).
 
If we unintentionally break the law, e.g., the guy arrested in NYC at the airport with a legally owned firearm in his luggage, the gov't says, "ignorance of the law is no excuse." If the cops deprive a law abiding citizen of his rights when they don't know the law, or just don't think that the law applies to them, it's 'no harm, no foul."
 
First, just conceal the damn thing and stop inviting trouble.

Second, obey the police at all times. It will get sorted out based on the law. But if the LEO doesn't know the law you're not going to educate him on the scene. When refusing to get on your knees you're guilty of obstruction and are inviting a forceful takedown. Just shut up and let the law work its solution.

The best fight you ever win is the one you don't have. Conceal it, shut your mouth and obey LEO commands. Damn this site is crammed with the same open-carry trouble story over and over.
 
BC1 said:
First, just conceal the damn thing and stop inviting trouble.

Second, obey the police at all times. It will get sorted out based on the law. But if the LEO doesn't know the law you're not going to educate him on the scene. When refusing to get on your knees you're guilty of obstruction and are inviting a forceful takedown. Just shut up and let the law work its solution.

The best fight you ever win is the one you don't have. Conceal it, shut your mouth and obey LEO commands.
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Why do you have such a problem with American's exercising their Constitutionally protected rights? Why are you so accepting of police state actions? Why don't you put the blame on the people who break the laws, rather than people who exercise their freedoms? Don't you have a stack of badges waiting to be polished?

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Damn this site is crammed with the same open-carry trouble story over and over.
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Then go somewhere else. Here's a couple of places you will feel more welcome, I am sure:

Police Forums

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If you take such exception to people exercising their right to self protection by open carrying, then don't read the open carry section of this forum! Everybody is happier. Including those of annoyed by your consistent whining.
 
BC1 your wasting your time attempting to express your opinion around certain people (unless, of course it is the same as theirs!), so you just as well stop trying, your never going to get NavyLt to agree with you until you first agree with him!:no::no::sarcastic:
 
Ed Hamberger said:
BC1 your wasting your time attempting to express your opinion around certain people (unless, of course it is the same as theirs!), so you just as well stop trying, your never going to get NavyLt to agree with you until you first agree with him!:no::no::sarcastic:
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And don't forget the group of alleged trolls that I am the alleged leader of.
 
NavyLT said:
Why do you have such a problem with American's exercising their Constitutionally protected rights? Why are you so accepting of police state actions? Why don't you put the blame on the people who break the laws, rather than people who exercise their freedoms? Don't you have a stack of badges waiting to be polished?



Then go somewhere else. Here's a couple of places you will feel more welcome, I am sure:

Police Forums

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If you take such exception to people exercising their right to self protection by open carrying, then don't read the open carry section of this forum! Everybody is happier. Including those of annoyed by your consistent whining.
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Navy, I don't whine. EVER!

I teach exclsively courses in tactical handgun defense and concealed carry. I have absolutely no prpoblem with OC. I accept it. I believe it to be constitutionally supported. I favor the right s of anyone who chooses to do so. I believe those who hassle someone because they OC are a$$hats. But why engage in any behavior that invites trouble? When you look at the chat boards here and at other sites such as GlockTalk, the boards are chock full of people having problems. You'll never get ignorant people to understand this is legal. They will always call police and many of them don't know their own laws. Rarely do you see a complaint about someone hassled for concealed carry.

The first rules of civilian engagnement are avoidance, deterrence and de-escalation. Why pay a lawyer over principal? There's enough problems in our world without going around advertising for more. Besides, and there's no argument from any experienced tactical instructor... it ruins the element of surprise in a confrontation. You want to OC? Fine with me. Only now I will modify my offensive strategy to perpetrate a crime against you. In a tactical confrontation, never advertise your defense (Machiavelli) and never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake (Napoleon). Taught this by my father, who studied it as a U.S. Naval Academy graduate and verteran of two wars. He forced us to study Machiavelli and the mistakes of the greates commanders in history. Also taught this by Mas Ayoob at the Lethal Force Institute. Pure and simple tactical advantage. The point is inarguable.
 
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Ed Hamberger said:
BC1 your wasting your time attempting to express your opinion around certain people (unless, of course it is the same as theirs!), so you just as well stop trying, your never going to get NavyLt to agree with you until you first agree with him!:no::no::sarcastic:
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Thanks Ed. Got it. I'll stop trying to convince them.
 
Yes, that's right. Just move to the back of the bus like they tell you to. Get away from that lunch counter. Don't drink at that water fountain. Don't cause a commotion. They're just doing their job.
 
BC1 said:
First, just conceal the damn thing and stop inviting trouble.
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I disagree. While I practice concealed carry and most likely would even if SC had open carry, if the law says you have the right to open carry, you have the right to open carry. The police enforce laws - not write them. There is a very good reason for that.

BC1 said:
Second, obey the police at all times. It will get sorted out based on the law. But if the LEO doesn't know the law you're not going to educate him on the scene. When refusing to get on your knees you're guilty of obstruction and are inviting a forceful takedown. Just shut up and let the law work its solution.
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I agree with obeying LEO commands if for no other reason that not doing so could get you shot. From what I've read the city of Philadelphia has no interest in sorting this out. They are just basically saying "our bad" and working on a revenge prosecution of this man. I have no doubt that he had the tape recorder with some hopes that an incident would happen. Unfortunately, the LEO was dumb enough to give him exactly what he wanted. The real issue here is not even OC vs CC. It is the fact that a law-abiding citizen was treated like a criminal because the LEO did not know the law. Now the Philadelphia police want to prosecute the citizen for his actions.

BC1 said:
The best fight you ever win is the one you don't have. Conceal it, shut your mouth and obey LEO commands. Damn this site is crammed with the same open-carry trouble story over and over.
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Unfortunately the only way to ensure our rights are protected is to bring attention to areas where they are not.
 
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