Paying your share of the national debt - would you do so IF...?


Phillip Gain

New member
It has been calculated that the individual's share of the national debt is around $40,000. Would you voluntarily participate in a program where you paid your share in montly installments over a period of years?

If so - what sort of thing would you expect from the government in return? The idea is that it's something that would cost the government very little...but would be incredibly valuable to YOU. Here are some ideas I have. Now I'd like to hear yours.

NOTE: OBVIOUSLY FOR SOME OF THESE, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE DUIS OR ARE OTHERWISE DISQUALIFIED, THEN YOU CANNOT GET THE 50-STATE DRIVERS LICENSE ETC. THOSE DETAILS ARE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS DISCUSSION...LOOKING FOR IDEAS THAT ARE STARTING POINTS.

1) Lifetime 50-state drivers license

2) Lifetime 50-state vehicle registration

3) Lifetime 50-state concealed carry permit

4) Lifetime 50-state hunting and fishing license, to include all applicable game tags etc. (Permits for hunting on private land excluded)

5) Annual credit towards purchase of / bidding on property disposed of by GSA and other government agencies.

6) VIP security screening at airports - show your card, move to the front of the line.

I'm very serious about this. If I get enough ideas, I will absolutely make an appointment with my Senator and/or Congressman to present a proposal.
 

chapinjs

New member
We already are paying our share of the national debt. If congress continues in its current vein, I am certain that they won't have to worry about things much longer, and the peasants will be revolting.
I don't want anything in return, as that is the attitude that got us into this mess in the first place. What I want is respect for the money I have earned and the freedom to make my own choices.
I would certainly expect the government to stop wasting my money on things like year-long sting operations to arrest Amish farmers for selling milk to people who might take it across state lines and paying farmers to not grow crops.
I would expect more care to be given to the people who earn the money and pay the taxes and to stop making it impossible for people to make a living or have a business because of ridiculous taxes and regulation.
There is no way I would voluntarily propose to repay my share, or anyone else's until and unless these people stop wasting my money solely for the privilege of removing my freedoms. They also need to stop living like Lords and start receiving the same benefits as the rest of us. As it currently stands, we are very little better than a communist state where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.
 

Phillip Gain

New member
We already are paying our share of the national debt. If congress continues in its current vein, I am certain that they won't have to worry about things much longer, and the peasants will be revolting.
I don't want anything in return, as that is the attitude that got us into this mess in the first place. What I want is respect for the money I have earned and the freedom to make my own choices.
I would certainly expect the government to stop wasting my money on things like year-long sting operations to arrest Amish farmers for selling milk to people who might take it across state lines and paying farmers to not grow crops.
I would expect more care to be given to the people who earn the money and pay the taxes and to stop making it impossible for people to make a living or have a business because of ridiculous taxes and regulation.
There is no way I would voluntarily propose to repay my share, or anyone else's until and unless these people stop wasting my money solely for the privilege of removing my freedoms. They also need to stop living like Lords and start receiving the same benefits as the rest of us. As it currently stands, we are very little better than a communist state where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

So I'm guessing you don't like my idea...? :laugh: Duly noted.

Fact is - we're in a big hole. Bigger than anyone wants to talk about. We cannot fix it JUST by cutting spending. We also cannot fix it just by raising taxes (or otherwise increasing revenue). As a nation we have to do both.

Now I agree with chapinjs, in that we have to hold our government accountable. Frivolous spending needs to be cut. (And Amish need to stop being persecuted for milk sales.) But that's not what I'm opening up for discussion here. I'm brainstorming a way for government to increase revenue by VOLUNTARY contribution of some of its citizens, in exchange for services / VIP stuff.
 

dojoman

New member
Aside from that, cut the gov't down to nothing or make the workers of it take a Huge Huge Huge pay and benefit cut. Why should someone like a LEO or Military or even a avg Joe working 56+ hrs a week (multi jobs sometimes) STILL make not even half what those pricks in Govt do. I'm tried of this "hey vote for me to get a raise/bonus and ill do the same for you" imagine in Single Mother Sara and Bachelor David did the same in the private sector?! Omg there be $40 Big Mac meals and $120/hr janitors.
The criminal Govt sickens me.
 

MI .45

MI .45
I would make no additional voluntary contribution to the federal government for anything until they can prove that they can live within their means.
 

fuhr52

New member
Raising taxes doesn't guarantee an increase in revenue. If you want less of something tax it. The government is addicted to spending. Until you stop the addiction you can't fix the problem. Granted we are all responsible for the hole we are in as we keep re-electing the ones digging it. Volunteering to fork out more money will not stop the red ink until you get to the root. You can't kill a weed by cutting off the top. You have to pull the entire root to kill it.
 

mappow

New member
Being that the Federal Gov't is predicated on negative Debt financing, I don't think we'll ever get out of this hole. Because of this system, rewarding debt while penalizing profits, the whole system will need to changed prior to any recovery in our Country can begin. With that said, until it happens, I just want to know when will they list a BOX on my 1040 so I can claim them as a dependent?????
 

Ringo

A WATCHMAN
If you spend $10 million per day for one year (365 days)= $3,650,000,000 a year. Or 274 years= $1 trillion. Or 3,836 years= $14 trillion. They're adding another $2 trillion= $16 trillion. Our government can't even pay the interest on this debt. Is anyone really so stupid as to believe this debt problem can be solved? :wacko:
 

Greggatshack

New member
I don't know why you Americans don't just legalise drugs and prostitution. Also make narcotics free to any addict that wants to poison themselves. Straight-away you will take away the reasons to commit most crimes. On top of that you will get the least productive members of your society slipping away into oblivion. Oh, and if you make guns more freely available you will rob the gun-traffickers of an income as well!

Wasn't prohibition of alcohol one of the things that kept your gangsters employed back in the day?

I'd go so far as to say, if you did what I said, your only criminals would be the ones you vote for.

;-)
 

eXGee11

New member
Ill do it for a repeal of the
1968 GCA and a full auto short barrel M16 for each member of my family. And a pickup truck :)
 

Bohemian

New member
1. Abolish the DEA, IRS, DOE, BATFE, EPA, DHS, TSA, FAA, FCC.
2. Implement the Fair Tax Act Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation
3. Bring all our troops home as quick as we can load them up on jumbo jets. (end nation building and regime changes)
4. Exit the UN.
5. End Foreign Welfare.
6. Abolish every stinking Free Trade Agreement.
7. Create the Unabridged Second Amendment Restoration Act; abolishing the 22,000 and counting unconstitutional second amendment infringements nationwide. Affirming that the Second Amendment IS our Concealed & Open Carry Permit.
8. Abolish Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. Payout everybody that has paid into Social Security and let them plan for their own future.
9. Make all political offices unpaid positions, take all financial/gift incentives for being a politician out of the equation.
10. Implement a No Confidence Amendment; meaning with sufficient percentage of registered voters petition for a vote of no-confidence in any given 90-day period any politician can be removed from any office nationwide by WE THE PEOPLE.
11. Pass a federal balanced budget amendment.
12. Tell the Chinese and every other stinking foreign entity that we owe money; to get bent, American Citizens Come First...
13. End all immigration/foreign visas/visa lottery's etc., until there are no U.S. citizens to fill the jobs they are currently stealing; which will be never...
14. Build the damm fence.
15. No Attorneys can ever be a politician act.

Take a look at Senator Tom Coburn's 9 NINE Trillion Dollar Spending cut proposal...

NoBama 2012
 

S&W645

NRA Life Member
1. Abolish the DEA, IRS, DOE, BATFE, EPA, DHS, TSA, FAA, FCC.
2. Implement the Fair Tax Act Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation
3. Bring all our troops home as quick as we can load them up on jumbo jets. (end nation building and regime changes)
4. Exit the UN.
5. End Foreign Welfare.
6. Abolish every stinking Free Trade Agreement.
7. Create the Unabridged Second Amendment Restoration Act; abolishing the 22,000 and counting unconstitutional second amendment infringements nationwide. Affirming that the Second Amendment IS our Concealed & Open Carry Permit.
8. Abolish Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. Payout everybody that has paid into Social Security and let them plan for their own future.
9. Make all political offices unpaid positions, take all financial/gift incentives for being a politician out of the equation.
10. Implement a No Confidence Amendment; meaning with sufficient percentage of registered voters petition for a vote of no-confidence in any given 90-day period any politician can be removed from any office nationwide by WE THE PEOPLE.
11. Pass a federal balanced budget amendment.
12. Tell the Chinese and every other stinking foreign entity that we owe money; to get bent, American Citizens Come First...
13. End all immigration/foreign visas/visa lottery's etc., until there are no U.S. citizens to fill the jobs they are currently stealing; which will be never...
14. Build the damm fence.
15. No Attorneys can ever be a politician act.

Take a look at Senator Tom Coburn's 9 NINE Trillion Dollar Spending cut proposal...

NoBama 2012
I'd agree with all but #8 for those who have reached age 55 or paid in for 30 years. The Gov't took our money for SS when we could have invested it at 8 to 10% interest and now the money that they took in 1985 is only worth half what it was when they took it. What they took in 1975 would be worth one fifth today. I don't have 30 more years to try to gain back the value of the money they took. Plus from 1996 to 2001 the Gov't wouldn't let me earn 8% on money I could have saved thanks to the banks and FDIC.
 

G50AE

Active member
I don't know why you Americans don't just legalise drugs and prostitution. Also make narcotics free to any addict that wants to poison themselves. Straight-away you will take away the reasons to commit most crimes. On top of that you will get the least productive members of your society slipping away into oblivion. Oh, and if you make guns more freely available you will rob the gun-traffickers of an income as well!

Wasn't prohibition of alcohol one of the things that kept your gangsters employed back in the day?

I'd go so far as to say, if you did what I said, your only criminals would be the ones you vote for.

;-)

Yeah, and also there are other factors in play here. A lot of the problems with drug abuse and prostitution cannot be adaquately dealt with while those acts are illegal. Countries with legalized prostitution enjoy lower rates of STD transmition due to mandatory drug/STD testing. Needle exchange programs, something that is taboo in this nation, have shown to reduce HIV infection rates among drug adicts. There are a lot of public health issues that would see improvement from drug legalization and legalized prostitution.
 

BC1

,
NO!!!!! It's not my debt. It's Barack's. He's generated more debt than all other presidents combined and he's not even finished his first term. It's simple math... You can't spend money you don't have. And you can't keep kicking this can down the road.

Our Senate and Congress haven't had a passing relationship with their constituency in a long time. The Crips and Bloods (Dem & GOP) are engaged in nothing less than a gang war. The spoils are our tax dollars.

How about halting all pay and health benefits for Congress/Senate/President until they do their job?
 

billt

Banned
If you want to reduce the size of government, you don't do it by giving them more money. You don't make a fat person thin by feeding them. Bill T.
 

Grognard Gunny

New member
It wouldn't work, if we can observe ANYTHING from our Government (both parties) it is the fact that no matter how much they "take" out of the pockets of REAL taxpayers (53% of all filers), they will find imaginative and wasteful ways to piss it away.

We must replace the spendthrifts before anything else can be achieved. The "Balanced Budget Ammendment" is a fine and much needed start. I'd even be willing to put language in the Bill to allow that "Law" to be overidden by 3/4 vote of Congress and only in cases of declared war. I'd even be gracious enough to allow a grace period of, say, seven years to accomplish that goal after implimentation/ratification of the Ammendment.... so as to NOT cause so great a shock to the economy.

Given that we currently borrow 40 cents on the dollar of spending.... one can surmise that getting the budget balanced is going to be an difficult and painful task. Best to incrementally head toward that goal... just as we incrementally got ourselves into this mess.

Oh.... once balanced, if the budget goes, say, 5% above those allocations during the course of the year.... responsible managers of individual departments responsible for the overage are automatically relieved of duty, if on a limited scale. If the entire budget goes through the ceiling, the previous "penalty" is enforced AND all Congresscritters who voted "yes" on that budget are automatically precluded from running for reelection, including the President.

Lets get our Administrative Managers to do a little frugality efforting and hold our Congresscritters responsible for proper money management at the same time.

Bye the way, the States can demand a Constitutional Convention for purposes of Ammendment proposals. I believe, since the last election, that there are enough conservative Governors holding State Executive positions to "make it happen".

GG
 

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