Passenger in vehicle that gets pulled over. How to respond?

NavyLCDR said:
Do they believe you when you hand them a plastic card and claim that it is a valid driver's license? NO. They always call in your info to ensure that it is still valid.
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Papers please........yes, we need to check your papers.
 
Eidolon said:
In all fairness, the fact that the cop just pulled you over for violating traffic law indicates that you , by definition, are not a law abiding citizen
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LEOs pull people over for a brake light, head light and such. Does NOT mean that you have been pulled over because you broke the law. A LEO can pull you over for a dirty license plate if he feels like it. Even if you believe you have obeyed EVERY law he can and will find something if he so chooses.

So by your saying that being pulled over makes a person not a law abiding citizen is not correct.
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,



Being from Arkansas I have a "Duty to Report". Down through the years I have gotten out of numerous speeding tickets because of my CCW permit. It instantly lets the LEOs know that you are a law abiding citizen.

The last time I was stopped after showing the cop my DL, insurance, and CCW permit he asked what I was carrying and where it was located.

Me: "Glock 23 on the right hip."

Cop: "That's what I carry off duty." Said to slow down a little and said to have a "nice day".

Paul
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Does anyone else have a problem with the section that is bold-faced. First, one doesn't get a "permission slip" in order to get out of numerous tickets. How many times DO you get pulled over? Second, how when you are breaking the law speeding so much can you tell the entire forum that your "permission slip" shows the LEO you are law-abiding citizen? Wouldn't your speeding so often tell the LEO just the opposite?
 
vernsimpson said:
LEOs pull people over for a brake light, head light and such. Does NOT mean that you have been pulled over because you broke the law. A LEO can pull you over for a dirty license plate if he feels like it. Even if you believe you have obeyed EVERY law he can and will find something if he so chooses.

So by your saying that being pulled over makes a person not a law abiding citizen is not correct.
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I agree, but stengun specifically said he got out of numerous speeding tickets, therefore, admitting his guilt to breaking the law.
 
vernsimpson said:
LEOs pull people over for a brake light, head light and such. Does NOT mean that you have been pulled over because you broke the law. A LEO can pull you over for a dirty license plate if he feels like it. Even if you believe you have obeyed EVERY law he can and will find something if he so chooses.

So by your saying that being pulled over makes a person not a law abiding citizen is not correct.
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It does in this case because the poster stated that he had been pulled over for speeding but I do see your point
 
In my state, a must inform state, the LEO would probably know before walking up to the car that the person who the car is registered to has a permit to carry. So if it were me, and my kid was driving my car with me riding shotgun, I would rather be safe then sorry, and would inform as soon as he started to question me. As long as he wasn't questioning me, my mouth would be shut.

The police deny it, but most people think that permit holders are entered into the LEIN (Law Enforcement Information Network) system. Although they deny it, there have been too many instances where someone who borrowed a car had it torn apart looking for weapons when pulled over for simple traffic violations. Your license plate and/or your name will flag them that you may be carrying. If you've ever looked at some of the youtube videos, nothing gets a cop more worked up, then when a citizen doesn't inform immediately. This is because they feel vulnerable in those situations, and frankly, I can see their point in some instances. Of course, to know this, the LEO would have to run your plate before coming to the car. Some don't, for whatever reason.
 
Every cop I know is trained to expect the worst at every traffic stop. Therefore, they expect every occupant to be armed and ready to go.

There is absolutely no justifiable reason for a cop to search a car for a simple traffic stop. Especially under the scenario that topgun47 gave. If someone was driving my car, got pulled over, and the cop ran the plates and his computer states that the owner of the car is a permit holder. He then approaches, asks for ID, sees that it is someone completely different. Why then is he looking for weapons?

All cops are armed. Not all citizen's are. If they "feel" vulnerable... um... too freakin' bad... find another line of work that doesn't make you "feel" vulnerable.
 
Eidolon said:
In all fairness, the fact that the cop just pulled you over for violating traffic law indicates that you , by definition, are not a law abiding citizen
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I've been in a car pulled over because the cop FELT like it. Of course he LIED about the reason, but EVERYBODY involved KNEW it was a LIE.
 
Stengun said:
Down through the years I have gotten out of numerous speeding tickets because of my CCW permit.
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The way [for the most part] to avoid speeding tickets is to drive the speed limit.

Clearly you misunderstand the purpose of a firearms carry credential.
 
topgun47 said:
Your license plate and/or your name will flag them that you may be carrying. If you've ever looked at some of the youtube videos, nothing gets a cop more worked up, then when a citizen doesn't inform immediately. This is because they feel vulnerable in those situations, and frankly, I can see their point in some instances.
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If a police officer is going to get worked up because he finds out from the state or the county first that the subject stopped has a weapons permit/license, this from the Terry v. Ohio ruling is probably why:
Terry v. Ohio | LII / Legal Information Institute

We merely hold today that, where a police officer observes unusual conduct which leads him reasonably to conclude in light of his experience that criminal activity may be afoot and that the persons with whom he is dealing may be armed and presently dangerous, where, in the course of investigating this behavior, he identifies himself as a policeman and makes reasonable inquiries, and where nothing in the initial stages of the encounter serves to dispel his reasonable fear for his own or others' safety, he is entitled for the protection of himself and others in the area to conduct a carefully limited search of the outer clothing of such persons in an attempt to discover weapons which might be used to assault him. Such a search is a reasonable search under the Fourth Amendment, and any weapons seized may properly be introduced in evidence against the person from whom they were taken.
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Once the officer receives confirmation from the state or county that the subject has a VALID weapons permit or license, that should dispel any reasonable fear for their own or others' safety. After all, isn't that the EXACT reason that the government claims we need permits/licenses for? When you hand the officer a permit/license and tell them about a gun, they have no idea if that permit/license is real and/or still valid. They have every right to take your gun - and some get their jollies running the serial number to check if it is stolen or not and unload your magazines. Once they get word for the state/county that your permit is valid, it removes their legal authority to search for and seize your gun.

I am not going to cater to some cop that is looking for a reason to fondle my gun. If the law doesn't require me to tell them about my permit/license, they can get that information from the state or county and pack sand after that if they want to hassle me about it.
 
wolf_fire said:
Every cop I know is trained to expect the worst at every traffic stop. Therefore, they expect every occupant to be armed and ready to go.

There is absolutely no justifiable reason for a cop to search a car for a simple traffic stop. Especially under the scenario that topgun47 gave. If someone was driving my car, got pulled over, and the cop ran the plates and his computer states that the owner of the car is a permit holder. He then approaches, asks for ID, sees that it is someone completely different. Why then is he looking for weapons?

All cops are armed. Not all citizen's are. If they "feel" vulnerable... um... too freakin' bad... find another line of work that doesn't make you "feel" vulnerable.
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It's thought that the cop is hoping that the permit holder left a gun in the car, and they might be able to nail the driver for concealing a weapon without a permit. Who knows what they think? They are all smarter than us don't you know?
 
Saw a lot of posts about disclosing if you live in a state that requires you to. Most of the states that require you to (like the one I live in), only require you to disclose if YOU are the one in contact with the officer. I can't imagine how stupid it would be to lean over towards the drivers side and say "sorry to break up the conversation, but I have a gun."
 
AndeyHall said:
Saw a lot of posts about disclosing if you live in a state that requires you to. Most of the states that require you to (like the one I live in), only require you to disclose if YOU are the one in contact with the officer. I can't imagine how stupid it would be to lean over towards the drivers side and say "sorry to break up the conversation, but I have a gun."
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I agree but in this case I think it's inevitable that the cop is at some point going to address dad
 
Eidolon said:
I agree but in this case I think it's inevitable that the cop is at some point going to address dad
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In SC they must request identification. Simply "addressing" him wouldn't rise to the level to require disclosure. But I see what you're saying. I don't know what other states say about this.
 
My daughter usually drives when we go somewhere, so we would be in a car registered to me. So when the plates get run it's a good chance my CPL status will show up. However unless I am asked directly, then I would just sit there and say nothing. My sarcastic nature would only make the situation worse with any extra input from me. Never lie, it would be just best to sit there quietly. BTW, my answers/opinions reflect WA state laws.
 
Have appreciated all the discussion and especially those of you who actually thought about the question. For those of you who just responded that I was stupid, lets hear it for the First Amendment. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons the gun grabbers have such a strong following. There are to many who rather than answering and telling me why I am stupid, you just tell me I am stupid. There is a huge amount of intellect in this forum as well as a lot of ignorance. Try to help those of us with questions grow. It will only benefit all.
 
you are stupid because you are willing to divulge personal information to what you perceive to be an authority figure unnecessarily. even if you are in a "must notify state" if you are not part of the conversation between cop and driver you have no obligation to inform the cop that you are carrying.
If you are in a "no notify state" why would you blurt out to a cop that you are armed?
 
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