Page 425 of Health Care BILL


Tea For One

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This is truly terrifying.





Page 425 of Health Care BILL




O.K. folks - I 'think' this will 'shake us up' - read and listen to the Interview - "IF" this does not cause every red-blooded American to contact their Representative, I don't know what will!! It's time for ACTION! Americans!! Both Democrats and Republicans beware.



(If this doesn't make your blood boil........... nothing will!!)


Page 425 of Health Care Bill - Listen to this interview Fred Thompson's Radio Show interviewing Betsy McCaughey (pronounced Mc Coy). Or look it up on Welcome to the Fred Thompson experience where Fred Heads unite!, under interviews.



On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.



Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have parents.




"ON PAGE 425 OF OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE BILL, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!"
 

Red Hat

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Hre is some more on the bill. What ever we can do we must stop this BS from passing. I think they are finally getting the word that we don't want it!
Little gems from the Health Care Bill

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
 
LOL, I just got the run around. From My the jackass in my office. They said he supports it and more crap. I felt blown off and F***** over. I don't know about the rest of you but i like to be kissed before i get F******. Not sure what to do. His staff worker told me he would pass it along to DC. Suicide is a Crime last time i checked. So the government is tell people to break the law? How messed up is that .
 

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
This is orwellian in nature

I can not understand how this is in the best interests of we the people.

We need to look closely at the clause in the Declaration of Independence about the Gov't not doing what is right and ask ourselves why? Then we need to read the constitution and resolve this situation by what ever legal means neccessary. Our Gov't is out of control and we need to grab the wheel before we all end up in the ditch.
 

GeneralSumter

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Ok, let me preface this with the fact that I am a diehard republican, born-again, God-loving, gun-loving, 4x4, southern redneck who voted against the creep in the oval office. Further, I believe that the health care reform bill is crap and will not fix anything, evidenced by the speed with which Barry wants to get it through Congress.

However, I am also a seeker of truth, for the "truth will set you free."

snopes.com: Euthanasia Counseling

I realize snopes may be biased, but there are several sites of good reputation that say this is also being taken out of context. Read it and decide for yourself, but usually if it's too good, or too heinous, to be true, it probably is.

Don't hate.
 

HK4U

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Well lets put it this way. If there is nothing in the bill to hide why are trying to fast track it like they did the tax payer bail out bill so that congress will not have time to read it?:mad:
 

Tea For One

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Are you all sure America did not elect the Anti-Christ?

Howdy HK,

I do not believe we elected the anti-Christ, but I believe with all my heart that Obama is paving the way for him, and along with other one-world-government proponents around the world, setting the stage upon which the anti-Christ will one day step (and probably in our lifetimes).

TFO
 

Tea For One

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Well lets put it this way. If there is nothing in the bill to hide why are trying to fast track it like they did the tax payer bail out bill so that congress will not have time to read it?:mad:

Exactly. Rush said in the interview with Greta the other day that the reason Obama is rushing this is so folks won't have time to figure out what's in it.

TFO
 

GeneralSumter

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HK, not sure if you were responding to my post above, but you're right. They are rushing it through because it's full of crap and is a crappy plan. I was just stating that that one page (425) has indeed been misinterpreted.

TFO, you're also right. Obama is not the anti-Christ, but he is paving the way. As the value of our dollar continues to decline and eventually hyper-inflation sets in, the West will succomb to a single world currency. That will be the stepping stone for the one-world gov't (possibly the UN). I wouldn't be surprised if a one-world gov't is hastened by a civil war here in the USA.
 

HK4U

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One thing for sure is that if you believe and follow scriptures then things seem to be accelerating at an alarming rate which again if you are a Christian you have to believe we are seeing prophesy unfold before our eyes.
 

Bohemian

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A key House Committee will vote within the next 24-36 hours on ObamaCare...

Here's the dirty little secret of what's actually happening
with ObamaCare right now on Capitol Hill...

Obama and the Democrats have launched a classic
political misdirection to diffuse grassroots opposition
against their socialized healthcare plan while
they iron out the details right under our noses!

It's the only explanation of why Obama, Reid and Pelosi are
conceding that they will not get passage of ObamaCare before
the August recess while at the same time pressing harder
than ever for two key committees to finish their work immediately.

Since the final design of ObamaCare in Congress is being worked
out in these committees, these votes are absolutely crucial.

So their plan is clear: diffuse grassroots pressure by
delaying the final vote while nailing down the dirty details
of ObamaCare in the key House and Senate Committees!

That means we are still in the midst of a critical time...

The House Energy and Commerce Committee is expected to vote
in the next 24 hours. Meanwhile, six Senate Finance Committee
members (the "Gang of Six") are feverishly working behind
closed doors to craft a so-called "compromise" that still
puts the federal government at the epicenter of our
healthcare system...

We need to specifically target these two committees
so we can continue to get the message through loud and clear
from grassroots citizens...

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Energy and Commerce Committee

House Financial Services Committee

Finance

In addition, call your Congressman and tell him or her that
Congress should CEASE AND DESIST its work on government-run
healthcare until Members return home and hear from their constituents.

Rep. Titus 202-225-3252

Or, call the House Switchboard: 202-224-3121

Also, call the Senate "Gang Of Six":
Max Baucus: 202-224-2651
Chuck Grassley: 202-224-3744
Kent Conrad: 202-224-2043
Jeff Bingaman: 202-224-5521
Olympia Snowe: 202-224-5344
Mike Enzi: 202--224-3424

Talking Points:

#1 -- The House and Senate and their committees should immediately
CEASE work on the government-run healthcare plan and instead
take time to listen to their constituents during the August
recess.

#2 -- I do not want the government to have more control and
influence over my health care. That is why I reject House
health care bill (H.R. 3200) and the soon-to-be-released
Senate "compromise" plan that still creates a federal mandate.

#3 -- America cannot afford the $1 trillion price tag of socialized
health care during these difficult economic times. I flatly
reject any health care proposal that increases costs or
imposes new taxes on any American.

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kdawg1012

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Health Care Page 425

You can listen to McCaughey's misleading statements or you can go to the actual text of the bill and read it for yourself. These Advance Care Planning consultations, paid for by the government, would be available, if desired, once every five years. They are not mandatory as McCaughey says. They would be initiated by the patient not by someone from the government. These consultations would be between a patient and their doctor or medical professional; not with someone from the government. There is nothing in this legislation that encourages or otherwise discusses euthanasia. The idea behind this section is to give patients an opportunity to make their wishes known in advance of an emergency or medical problem. Giving the patient the opportunity to let the doctor and their loved ones know what it is that they, the patient, want is a good thing.

Read the bill and stop listening to someone like McCaughey whose agenda is to kill health care reform, just as she helped to do in 1994.

Page 424, Line 15:

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.

(a) MEDICARE.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—

(A) in subsection (s)(2)—

(i) by striking "and" at the end of subparagraph (DD);

(ii) by adding "and" at the end of subparagraph (EE); and

(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

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"(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));"; and

(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

"Advance Care Planning Consultation

"(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

"(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

"(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

"(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

"(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline,

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the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

"(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

"(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—

"(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

"(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

"(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is

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unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a healthcare proxy).

"(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State—

"(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and

"(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).

"(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—

"(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;

(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;

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"(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and

"(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physcians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

"(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—

"(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

"(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.

"(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

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"(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

"(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

"(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—

"(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals
and providers across the continuum of care;

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"(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;

"(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and

"(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.

"(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—

"(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

"(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

"(iii) the use of antibiotics; and

"(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."
 

Bohemian

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Obama's Socialism...
Sounds like a great idea...
Till you run out of other peoples money...

NOBAMACARE

Obama Wants Single Payer Health Care System... (In His Own Words)

YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance
 

Tea For One

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HK, not sure if you were responding to my post above, but you're right. They are rushing it through because it's full of crap and is a crappy plan. I was just stating that that one page (425) has indeed been misinterpreted.

TFO, you're also right. Obama is not the anti-Christ, but he is paving the way. As the value of our dollar continues to decline and eventually hyper-inflation sets in, the West will succomb to a single world currency. That will be the stepping stone for the one-world gov't (possibly the UN). I wouldn't be surprised if a one-world gov't is hastened by a civil war here in the USA.

Good point about the currency. Sounds like you've been listening to Van Impe. Good guy when it comes to end-time prophecy. All the one-world stuff is coming our way, but I think the church will be raptured before it gets too bad.
 

Tea For One

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One thing for sure is that if you believe and follow scriptures then things seem to be accelerating at an alarming rate which again if you are a Christian you have to believe we are seeing prophesy unfold before our eyes.

We absolutely are my friend. Be strong in the Lord.
 

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