I've got a p11 and never had a problem, I have a pocket holster for it in thin leather with a square piece of leather that's snaps on the holster to breakup the outline of the gun. It is no good in blue jeans just because jean pockets are cut tight at the mouth of the pocket, but in a pair of corduroys or khakis with pleats it works out great. I checked out the pf9 by keltec and I plain on getting one of those. Very thin 9mm. U hear some say they don't like kel tecs but I have never had a problem with one. I say if u have not got it yet take a hard look at the pf9 kel Tec. Always use a holster however u carry and if u use a pocket holster don't put change or keys, etc in the same pocket. I also use a IWb holster for it also when I do wear jeans.