open carry thoughts

NickFro

NickFro

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As I do not live in an open carry state (Florida), I wish it was, and I often think about what other random factors would go along with open carrying. As we know, non gun owners get nervous when they see a person open carrying who is not a police officer. But I think there would be ways or things to do to ease the nerves of others.

One being to dress professionally. Seeing someone dressed in nice slacks & a collared shirt with a firearm would be a bit less off setting then the same person wearing baggy jeans, a Linkin Park Tshirt and a beanie. If you present yourself in a respectful way, you will be respected.

Any other ideas?
 
I dress casual (Jeans and a tshirt) to nicely (your description). What makes the biggest difference is the attitude. Either way I dress, hasn't changed how people react to me.

So yes, I agree don't dress like a complete slob, but more importantly, have a good attitude.
 
Folks should dress however they feel comfortable , I don't dress to please I dress for comfort, if baggy clothes make me look gangster then you're judgemental. I don't dress prep to fit in, I dress for comfort, u don't like my baggy clothes the $&@k off
 
Firefighterchen said:
I dress casual (Jeans and a tshirt) to nicely (your description). What makes the biggest difference is the attitude. Either way I dress, hasn't changed how people react to me.

So yes, I agree don't dress like a complete slob, but more importantly, have a good attitude.
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+1, I don't wear polo's much, mostly nice Tshirts and clean jeans. Every once in a while a nice button up shirt. But attitude has a lot to do with it, don't act paranoid, just go about your business with confidence like you belong, because you do!

-Thor
 
Go to the forum (open carry.org) and it should help answer some of your questions. Their forum format is set up very similar to this one.
 
If you have to ask you probably should carry!

Asking is one of the best ways to educate yourself and find out what it is like.

I asked and have begun doing it after getting some good answers. As with all things you have to sift and choose and decide who you will believe.
 
NickFro said:
As I do not live in an open carry state (Florida), I wish it was, and I often think about what other random factors would go along with open carrying. As we know, non gun owners get nervous when they see a person open carrying who is not a police officer. But I think there would be ways or things to do to ease the nerves of others.

One being to dress professionally. Seeing someone dressed in nice slacks & a collared shirt with a firearm would be a bit less off setting then the same person wearing baggy jeans, a Linkin Park Tshirt and a beanie. If you present yourself in a respectful way, you will be respected.

Any other ideas?
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I sometimes enjoy listening to Linkin Park and I sometimes wear baggy jeans and a beanie....WTF are you trying to say??

 
Open carry is advertising that you have a weapon. Ask yourself why you want to advertise. It's not self-defense - it's an invitation to be jumped from behind instead of seeing your problem coming, and having your gun stolen, possibly used on you at that point. Is it 'because you can', legally? That doesn't save your ass when you get a bat to the head from behind. Concealed carry might, as the bad guys will likely prefer to see what they think will be your frightened face and approach from the front or side. So ask yourself - do you feel lucky today?
 
rev. dave said:
Open carry is advertising that you have a weapon. Ask yourself why you want to advertise. It's not self-defense - it's an invitation to be jumped from behind instead of seeing your problem coming, and having your gun stolen, possibly used on you at that point.

Let me see... people have been open carrying for decades... yes decades! in Arizona. That must mean there are lots and lots of actual incidents where those open carriers were jumped from behind, had their guns stolen, and possibly used on them.

Surely there links and cites to this plethora of incidents? Some actual facts to back up the assertion that open carriers will be jumped from behind because they are openly carring.

Is it 'because you can', legally?

For me it is a political statement in support of the right to bear arms. A concealed "permit" IS exactly the kind of infringement referred to in "shall not be infringed" because it is "permission" granted by the government. If a person must get permission to do something they do not have the right to do it... they merely have permission for a privilege. Permission that can be taken away at any time by the one who granted it in the first place.

So you betcha I open carry because I can legally. And I open carry because I should!!!

That doesn't save your ass when you get a bat to the head from behind. Concealed carry might, as the bad guys will likely prefer to see what they think will be your frightened face and approach from the front or side.

So concealed carry will protect folks from a bat to the head from behind. Really?

So ask yourself - do you feel lucky today?

A Clint Eastwood bad arse reference? Really?
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Some of my response is written in blue within the above post.

I want to "advertise" because..........

-I want the bad guy looking for a victim to pay attention to fact that the gun in plain sight means I will not be an easy target. I want to "advertise" the fact that I have the means to fight back. I'd much rather the bad guy choose someone who looks like they don't have a gun... perhaps a CC'er with a hidden gun that looks exactly like all the other potential unarmed easy victims... than to have him choose me.

Thing is... if the bad guy passes me over in favor of a different victim... perhaps a CC'er... and the CC'er ends up shooting that bad guy and now has to face all the hassles, problems, legal issues and expenses that comes with having to use their "secret". But me? I went home and heard about the CC'er who shot a bad guy on the news.

I much prefer to hear about it on the news than to be the news.
 
NickFro said:
As I do not live in an open carry state (Florida), I wish it was, and I often think about what other random factors would go along with open carrying. As we know, non gun owners get nervous when they see a person open carrying who is not a police officer. But I think there would be ways or things to do to ease the nerves of others.

One being to dress professionally. Seeing someone dressed in nice slacks & a collared shirt with a firearm would be a bit less off setting then the same person wearing baggy jeans, a Linkin Park Tshirt and a beanie. If you present yourself in a respectful way, you will be respected.

Any other ideas?
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Yep. Move to a state where this doesn't happen;

"As we know, non gun owners get nervous when they see a person open carrying who is not a police officer."

Almost never see this where I live.
 
Stan45 said:
If you are not legal age to buy a handgun they you can not carry one.
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Partly true but not enough information. You can buy a handgun legally at 18 in Virginia if it is a private sale and 21 if from an FFL. And you can carry openly in Virginia at 18.
 
rev. dave said:
Open carry is advertising that you have a weapon. Ask yourself why you want to advertise. It's not self-defense - it's an invitation to be jumped from behind instead of seeing your problem coming, and having your gun stolen, possibly used on you at that point. Is it 'because you can', legally? That doesn't save your ass when you get a bat to the head from behind. Concealed carry might, as the bad guys will likely prefer to see what they think will be your frightened face and approach from the front or side. So ask yourself - do you feel lucky today?
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So how many incidences of this can you cite?
 
rev. dave said:
Open carry is advertising that you have a weapon. Ask yourself why you want to advertise. It's not self-defense - it's an invitation to be jumped from behind instead of seeing your problem coming, and having your gun stolen, possibly used on you at that point. Is it 'because you can', legally? That doesn't save your ass when you get a bat to the head from behind. Concealed carry might, as the bad guys will likely prefer to see what they think will be your frightened face and approach from the front or side. So ask yourself - do you feel lucky today?
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Weak...

Need I say more than what Bikenut and South have all ready stated? Why not.

What is it that certain concealed carriers think that totally bad ass bad guy will become some softy that wants to approach from the front and shout at 100 yards away that "you are my next intended victim, so prepare now or suffer the consequences!" That magic talisman certain does have some unimaginable super powers...it's almost incomprehensible.

Rev cowboy pirate dave (maybe one day you will understand the reference....) you are spreading unsubstantiated lies and fear mongering. I do not need to feel lucky anymore, like I did when I was concealing and gambling with the bad guy as to who he was going to pick. Now, the bad guy knows that i have the ability and means to fight back, and I know the majority of low life bad guys will choose someone who has no intention of trying to defend themselves. I am proactively defending myself, so the only people you should be asking, "do you feel lucky today?" are those that look like the sheep they so eagerly disguise themselves among.
 
rev. dave said:
Open carry is advertising that you have a weapon. Ask yourself why you want to advertise. It's not self-defense - it's an invitation to be jumped from behind instead of seeing your problem coming, and having your gun stolen, possibly used on you at that point. Is it 'because you can', legally? That doesn't save your ass when you get a bat to the head from behind. Concealed carry might, as the bad guys will likely prefer to see what they think will be your frightened face and approach from the front or side. So ask yourself - do you feel lucky today?
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Just curious how much experience do you have being robbed? And how many times did your concealed handgun allow you the tactical surprise when dealing with the assailants?
 
Firefighterchen said:
Weak...

Need I say more than what Bikenut and South have all ready stated? Why not.

What is it that certain concealed carriers think that totally bad ass bad guy will become some softy that wants to approach from the front and shout at 100 yards away that "you are my next intended victim, so prepare now or suffer the consequences!" That magic talisman certain does have some unimaginable super powers...it's almost incomprehensible.

Rev cowboy pirate dave (maybe one day you will understand the reference....) you are spreading unsubstantiated lies and fear mongering. I do not need to feel lucky anymore, like I did when I was concealing and gambling with the bad guy as to who he was going to pick. Now, the bad guy knows that i have the ability and means to fight back, and I know the majority of low life bad guys will choose someone who has no intention of trying to defend themselves. I am proactively defending myself, so the only people you should be asking, "do you feel lucky today?" are those that look like the sheep they so eagerly disguise themselves among.
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Right.

Those who carry concealed, and I also do this from time to time when I deem it to be in my better interests, look just like any other victim. A BG is not likely to know you're concealing, unless you print or show, so he can work his opportunities to get to you as he would with anyone else. And unless your powers of awareness are operating all the time, you could certainly become a victim before you know whats happening.

Attacks almost always come swiftly and close rather than more slowly with a lot of talk and at 21+ feet. The gun openly displayed are your teeth being bared for all the world to see... including BG's. Better to force them to seek another victim than yourself. Not only do you save yourself the anxiety of having to use your firearm, but there is also this. You just might lose. Just because you have your gun with you does not automatically mean you are going to win a gunfight.
 
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