Open carry sign question

apac84

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On a recent stop for fuel I noticed the attached sign on the window next to the doors for the store. I looked through some of the stickies and am wondering if this is even a "legal" sign since it's not on every public entrance? Link Removed

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Depends on the State you're in and the applicable statutes. However it's petty clear to me that open carrying into such an establishment will cause a confrontation that you're going to loose.
 
Even if open carry is legal in your area, a business has the ability to make it's own policy as to who or what they allow inside their doors. No different than saying 'No Shirt, No Shoes, No service." Nothing illegal about running around without shoes or shirt.
 
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Yes it is legal, it does not have to be on every entrance, they could just have one inside if they wanted. It is private property. They only person/ persons aloud to open carry, conceal carry on private property even if posted not to. Are sworn peace officers, active or retired ( retired with an endorsement from his or her Dept.)
 
They only person/ persons aloud to open carry, conceal carry on private property even if posted not to. Are sworn peace officers, active or retired ( retired with an endorsement from his or her Dept.)

Please cite that statute that specifically allows a retired cop to carry a firearm against the property owner's wishes on private property.

OP: Doesn't matter if the sign has the force of law or not as soon as you walk through that do they're going to tell you to leave and that does have the force of law
 
Depends on the State you're in and the applicable statutes. However it's petty clear to me that open carrying into such an establishment will cause a confrontation that you're going to loose.

I posted this in the TN forum for that reason


TN law says it must be on all entrances... One entrance is good enough for me, I wouldn't test it... lol

I agree and was going to cite this for a previous poster, but this is not on an entrance. If you can successfully enter a 10x8 plate glass window without damage I would enjoy seeing that. As far as testing it, I always test it at my local mall because of the 20 or so entrances to the place only 1 has a "gun buster" sign and it's actually on a display board 15 feet past the door.

Treo: I agree their place their rules. And upon being asked to leave I would have to comply.

Also for people in this forum not from TN, the state allows OC with permit but unless I was going to the range or field I never OC my gun.
 
Cal. Penal code PC 12027 states that any honorably retired peace officer with an endorsement from there Dept. To carry a concealed weapon my carry anywhere in the state. School property, private property, and Government property are not excluded.
 
Cal. Penal code PC 12027 states that any honorably retired peace officer with an endorsement from there Dept. To carry a concealed weapon my carry anywhere in the state. School property, private property, and Government property are not excluded.

Cal. Penal code would have no jurisdiction in Tennessee would it?
 
I added concealed carry to my first thread, I would never open carry unless in uniform. Also most laws pertaining to retired peace officers are universal from state to state, since George Bush Jr. Signed into law US 208. I may be wrong on the number but not the fact that there is a US statue covering active and retired peace officers, allowing them to carry in every state. This law was signed in a effort to have more armed peace officers active and retired carrying nation wide, in an effort to help with Homeland Security. Everything changed after 9/11.
 
Yes they are anal in cal. As it pertains to gun laws for non peace officers. However when it comes to peace officers they have carte Blanche. I guess the state law makers only want cops having guns in cal. Now when you retire you must turn in your M-16, but you can keep any high cap mags. Stupid
 
Yes they are anal in cal. As it pertains to gun laws for non peace officers. However when it comes to peace officers they have carte Blanche. I guess the state law makers only want cops having guns in cal. Now when you retire you must turn in your M-16, but you can keep any high cap mags. Stupid

Off topic but, so in effect under their laws you could have high cap mags for your AR turn the gun in upon retirement and be one of few people in CAL to have a AR with more than 10 rounds?
 
Cal. Penal code PC 12027 states that any honorably retired peace officer with an endorsement from there Dept. To carry a concealed weapon my carry anywhere in the state. School property, private property, and Government property are not excluded.

Key word there.

I also don't see any provision in that that I can't ask them to leave my premises.

Might want to do some research on HR 218 because in it private property and school property are specifically excepted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" -- to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.

However, there are two types of state laws that are not overridden by the federal law, these being "the laws of any State that (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or (2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park."[1] This does not mean that LEOSA-qualified persons are prohibited from carrying concealed firearms in such areas, but only that they must obey whatever state laws apply on those two points. They are free to disregard all other state and local laws that govern the carrying of concealed firearms



The LEOSA overrides state and local laws, but not other federal laws, e.g., the federal Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 which prohibits carrying a firearm within 1000 feet of any elementary or secondary school. LEOSA-qualified individuals must continue to obey federal laws and agency policies that restrict the carrying of concealed firearms in certain federal buildings and lands
 

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