Open Carry at Schools?

[Itstjs]

This is probably posted in the wrong area, but I was speaking with a Police Officer one day, and somehow happened onto the subject of Concealed Carry and Open Carry, hed told me he wasnt required to have a CPL to carry being LE and all. He as far as I remember just kind of happened to start talking about Openly Carrying into schools and how its apparently legal. I personally would never do it, draws too much attention to yourself, and not to mention you may be detained and have your weapon seized, at least for a while....He stated because Michigan is an open carry state, there was no way a prosecutor could prosecute a person for doing so. I didnt think much of it at first, then, started thinking, is it legal? :nhl_checking:
I know some states have laws that ban having a firearm within 1000 feet of a school (or at least discharging a weapon withing 1000 feet), unless youre pretty much just passing by on your way elsewhere. What do you think? Again, I wouldnt ever do it, just wondered if it really would be legal, I cant find anything online regarding it, all I keep finding is articles about columbine and virgina tech.

Anyways, your thoughts?

TJ

 

[Firefighterchen]

Since your posting about Michigan specifically the answers may be different...

This is probably posted in the wrong area, but I was speaking with a Police Officer one day, and somehow happened onto the subject of Concealed Carry and Open Carry, hed told me he wasnt required to have a CPL to carry being LE and all.

All the Leo's I know all need a permit to carry concealed when they are not on duty. They just don't usually have to pay a fee or take any required courses, but need the permit none the less. This includes officers from California, Oregon, and Washington.

He as far as I remember just kind of happened to start talking about Openly Carrying into schools and how its apparently legal. I personally would never do it, draws too much attention to yourself, and not to mention you may be detained and have your weapon seized, at least for a while....He stated because Michigan is an open carry state, there was no way a prosecutor could prosecute a person for doing so. I didnt think much of it at first, then, started thinking, is it legal? :nhl_checking:
I know some states have laws that ban having a firearm within 1000 feet of a school (or at least discharging a weapon withing 1000 feet), unless youre pretty much just passing by on your way elsewhere. What do you think? Again, I wouldnt ever do it, just wondered if it really would be legal, I cant find anything online regarding it, all I keep finding is articles about columbine and virgina tech.

Anyways, your thoughts?

TJ

The 1000 foot rule is a federal law which is usually exempted if you have a permit for that state. I don't know of any state that allows firearms to be carried inside the building though, just allowed on school grounds.

Edit: bikenut's post #7 states it's legal to carry INTO school buildings if you have a permission slip, with links provided.

Open carrying on school grounds during normal activities is no big deal. I know plenty of people that pick up their kids, play in the fields, and go to sports games on school grounds without any trouble. Then again that is here on Washington. Hearing from Michigan members here though, I do not believe it is much different there.

 

[Itstjs]

Like I said, its something I wouldnt ever do. However, I have picked up my sister a few times with an OWB holster on, but have never gotten out of the car, last thing I want some bleeding heart liberal to do is call the Police and report a MWAG at a school. Thanks for the reply though. Stay safe, carry on.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Like I said, its something I wouldnt ever do. However, I have picked up my sister a few times with an OWB holster on, but have never gotten out of the car, last thing I want some bleeding heart liberal to do is call the Police and report a MWAG at a school. Thanks for the reply though. Stay safe, carry on.

Open carry isn't for everyone, if you are not comfortable with it specifically on school grounds, that is all good.

I personally have received nothing negative from carrying at a school, and I wouldn't accept anything different. If a bleeding heart liberal has a problem, they can talk with their therapist, because the police around here fully understand our open carry right.

My post contained no links to the laws though, so take what I say as just my opinion. Until someone posts actual statutes, you still a long ways to go before you have a definitive answer.

 

[Bikenut]

This is probably posted in the wrong area, but I was speaking with a Police Officer one day, and somehow happened onto the subject of Concealed Carry and Open Carry, hed told me he wasnt required to have a CPL to carry being LE and all. He as far as I remember just kind of happened to start talking about Openly Carrying into schools and how its apparently legal. I personally would never do it, draws too much attention to yourself, and not to mention you may be detained and have your weapon seized, at least for a while....He stated because Michigan is an open carry state, there was no way a prosecutor could prosecute a person for doing so. I didnt think much of it at first, then, started thinking, is it legal? :nhl_checking:
I know some states have laws that ban having a firearm within 1000 feet of a school (or at least discharging a weapon withing 1000 feet), unless youre pretty much just passing by on your way elsewhere. What do you think? Again, I wouldnt ever do it, just wondered if it really would be legal, I cant find anything online regarding it, all I keep finding is articles about columbine and virgina tech.

Anyways, your thoughts?

TJ

To answer your question...

Yes... open carry INSIDE a school and on school grounds if a person has a concealed carry permit! is legal in Michigan. And there are some folks in Michigan who do it quite often. But, because the actual laws in regards to how that is legal are so convoluted posting them here.. and explaining them... would be problematic. So I'll just refer you to the link below where you can find all the information including the exact laws themselves ...not what someone's Uncle's cousin's sister who used to date a cop's brother said was the law but the real laws... just by asking:

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[Itstjs]

Again thank you for your guys answers. You guys are right, the laws are a bit complex, I dont get why I can Open Carry in Pistol Free Zones (being I have a CPL) but I cant carry concealed in Pistol Free zones. Id hate to be a test case, but I think I may try and Openly Carry my pistol when I vote, especially being I live in Flint, Michigan and all lol. Thank you for the link, stay safe, carry on.

TJ

 

[Shoobee]

In order to keep guns and knives out of the hands of little criminals at schools, the schools are designated in the law to be gun/knife free zones.

The only other option would be to send Johnnie and Susie to school with an adult escourt.

When the public schools reach that level, then they have truly failed, and vouchers should be issued by the county to give parents other options for their property and sales tax money.

 

[Bikenut]

In order to keep guns and knives out of the hands of little criminals at schools, the schools are designated in the law to be gun/knife free zones.

The only other option would be to send Johnnie and Susie to school with an adult escourt.

When the public schools reach that level, then they have truly failed, and vouchers should be issued by the county to give parents other options for their property and sales tax money.

And those laws are soooo effective at keeping guns out of the hands of little criminals at school... exactly how? Does Columbine (just as an example of one school supposed to be a gun free zone) ring a bell?

 

[Firefighterchen]

In order to keep guns and knives out of the hands of little criminals at schools, the schools are designated in the law to be gun/knife free zones.

The only other option would be to send Johnnie and Susie to school with an adult escourt.

When the public schools reach that level, then they have truly failed, and vouchers should be issued by the county to give parents other options for their property and sales tax money.

And those laws are soooo effective at keeping guns out of the hands of little criminals at school... exactly how? Does Columbine (just as an example of one school supposed to be a gun free zone) ring a bell?

Maybe he missed your post when you stated it was not against the law to carry into a school if you have a permission slip in Michigan.

I'm going to edit my original response with your information as well to not confuse anyone.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Again thank you for your guys answers. You guys are right, the laws are a bit complex, I dont get why I can Open Carry in Pistol Free Zones (being I have a CPL) but I cant carry concealed in Pistol Free zones. Id hate to be a test case, but I think I may try and Openly Carry my pistol when I vote, especially being I live in Flint, Michigan and all lol. Thank you for the link, stay safe, carry on.

TJ

Opencarry.org, Michigan sub forum. You would be far from the test case on this as many many people in Michigan carry to the booths.

Remember, ignorance is no excuse, whether you are a gun owner, a bleeding heart liberal, or a police officer. Read up on the laws, learn them, understand them, follow them no more no less. Know your Rights, know your right. Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
Again thank you for your guys answers. You guys are right, the laws are a bit complex, I dont get why I can Open Carry in Pistol Free Zones (being I have a CPL) but I cant carry concealed in Pistol Free zones. Id hate to be a test case, but I think I may try and Openly Carry my pistol when I vote, especially being I live in Flint, Michigan and all lol. Thank you for the link, stay safe, carry on.

TJ

There have already been several incidents where folks open carrying were hassled when they tried to vote. A couple of them were at schools where the polls were located. Each and every one of them resulted in the folks doing the hassling getting in trouble.

Once again... please go to:

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to learn about these things in Michigan.

On a personal note..... I always open carry in the township community center when voting and no one even bats an eye. But then ... folks kinda know me around these parts since, like many others in Michigan who aren't afraid of standing up for what is a legal right have done in their locality, I've attended municipal council meetings in municipal buildings while open carrying in order to require illegal gun ban ordinances be reworded or repealed in order for them to comply with State law.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
In order to keep guns and knives out of the hands of little criminals at schools, the schools are designated in the law to be gun/knife free zones.

The only other option would be to send Johnnie and Susie to school with an adult escourt.

When the public schools reach that level, then they have truly failed, and vouchers should be issued by the county to give parents other options for their property and sales tax money.

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And those laws are soooo effective at keeping guns out of the hands of little criminals at school... exactly how? Does Columbine (just as an example of one school supposed to be a gun free zone) ring a bell?

Maybe he missed your post when you stated it was not against the law to carry into a school if you have a permission slip in Michigan.

I'm going to edit my original response with your information as well to not confuse anyone.

Thanks for the edit Firefighterchen!

As for what Shoobee does.... ummm... well... I know what he doesn't do because when I ask him for a cite and/or a link that prove his assertions/statements are actual facts all I get back is the deafening sound of.....

crickets.

And that tells me all I need to know.

 

[Deserteagle]

All the Leo's I know all need a permit to carry concealed when they are not on duty. They just don't usually have to pay a fee or take any required courses, but need the permit none the less. This includes officers from California, Oregon, and Washington.

Current and retired police do not need a permit to carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the country.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act
Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oddly enough, this law only overrides state laws. It does not override federal laws. So an off duty cop does need a permit to override the federal Gun Free School Zones Act.

 

[Deserteagle]

I know some states have laws that ban having a firearm within 1000 feet of a school (or at least discharging a weapon withing 1000 feet), unless youre pretty much just passing by on your way elsewhere.

Every state has this law because it is a federal law.

Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sig p6]

ShooBee, get off the "crack" and go back to the 'Mary Jane" this stuff is really killing you! I mean really man get a grip!