Open carry at a business that has No CC sign

[dustoffuh1]

This question came to mind as I went to pick up my prescriptions at the clinic today. They have a sign on the door, No concealed weapons permitted. As always I left my firearm in the trunk. However I realized that my EDC knife was hidden under my t-shirt, so I pulled that side of my t-shirt over the knife so it wasn't concealed. Which brought this to mind. In WI its also legal to open carry a firearm. So,, if I walked in there open carying, that would be fine,,, correct? Not that I would ever do it, because that would just be kinda taunting them and I like the people who work there. Its a small town, and everyone knows everyone. Anyway by law, if I did open carry in a business with a no CC weapons sign, I would have every right to do so, I would think. Thoughts? Comments~

 

[Mazz]

I think a reasonable person would take that signage and apply it to both forms of carry. In essence you are correct, but in the real world it's a crap shoot.

 

[Treo]

I'd think it would be stirring the poop where the poop doesn't need to be stirred

 

[bobqdevon]

Under WI law, the wording of the sign is what matters. If it says "No concealed weapons" then you should be fine (my opinion), and if they say something or call police, I'd show them the wording of the sign and explain you honored their request. However, if the sign says "No firearms or weapons" then that means none whatsoever.

Personally, I don't spend any of my money in stores that have the signs. I think it's a stupid concept to prohibit someone from defending themselves, so I go where I am welcomed, WITH my gun.

Here in WI, I've seen the signs at Applebees, Harbor Freight, and a few other shops. A lot of the larger malls have them at the entrance to their parking lots, so I don't go there either. No loss for me as I don't want to give my money to the big box stores.

Back in my previous state of residence, they weren't allowed to put up those signs. The courthouses were required to have a place at the entrance for you to lock your weapon. There wasn't a problem with people running into stores and shooting each other. Don't see why it is necessary to have the signs here.

Carry got passed here, and a good first step. Time to make some changes now, and take the stupid out of the equation.

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[Danmc]

I am not a lawyer, but I am one of those guys who looks at wording or hears somebody say something and am technical in what I see or hear. What you said the signs reads is, "No concealed weapons permitted". If that is the language on the sign, and it does not say, "No weapons" allowed, then I would believe that open carry is ok. I understand that you live in a town where everybody knows everybody, and that you may leave your concealed weapon in your vehicle out of respect for the owner/operator of the building, but the sign reads "concealed". If they do not want weapons in their store, then they need to be clear about it.

 

[Danmc]

To me it's like a STOP sign that reads, "STOP....only if somebody is coming
".

 

[Slufoot]

I suspect the sign was meant to read "No weapons", but who knows these days. A simple solution is ask the owner or manager. Just ask them. You may be fine if you open carry but then you just might piss them off and end the business relationship. And since you like them you don't want to ruffle the feathers. Remember, a CC permit can be over ruled by the property/business owner.

 

[Nightmare45]

Can't answer you question but in Texas the signage is very particular and in English and Spanish anything else you can ignore, if ask to leave you must.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I'd put the answer to this question in the same category as "concealed mean concealed...if they don't know it's ok..." meme

Store obviously doesn't want firearms on their private property, respect their rights on their property.

Can't answer you question but in Texas the signage is very particular and in English and Spanish anything else you can ignore, if ask to leave you must.

In Texas there is no open carry so how does Texas matter in this instance?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Back in my previous state of residence, they weren't allowed to put up those signs.

And exactly which state would that be? There is no state in the union that prohibits a private business from banning firearms, and putting up a sign stating that as a matter of company policy no firearms are allowed on their private property.

 

[JSDinTexas]

Disarming myself at the whim of some store-keeper? Nonsense! If I see a no guns sign of any kind, I do not do business there - problem solved

 

[bobqdevon]

Let me correct. Those signs had no force of law. A store "could" put one up, but for 10+ years, I did not see one.

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[r1derbike]

Some of us don't have the luxury to shop other stores, because there aren't any. I live in a rural retirement community, and am limited in my purchase options. While I wish I could turn around at the doors that have no weapons allowed signs, and purchase elsewhere, I don't. I turn around to stow my sidearm in the vehicle.

Having said that, there have only been two occasions that I've had to turn around and stow my hardware. No great inconvenience, but I don't like setting myself up to be a victim.

 

[bigrebnc1861]

This question came to mind as I went to pick up my prescriptions at the clinic today. They have a sign on the door, No concealed weapons permitted. As always I left my firearm in the trunk. However I realized that my EDC knife was hidden under my t-shirt, so I pulled that side of my t-shirt over the knife so it wasn't concealed. Which brought this to mind. In WI its also legal to open carry a firearm. So,, if I walked in there open carying, that would be fine,,, correct? Not that I would ever do it, because that would just be kinda taunting them and I like the people who work there. Its a small town, and everyone knows everyone. Anyway by law, if I did open carry in a business with a no CC weapons sign, I would have every right to do so, I would think. Thoughts? Comments~

I would say in my opinion that it would mean both. But ask the management for a clarification, and if it means no firearms allowed kindly explain to the management that you will be doing business else where.

 

[Mayonaze]

In NC if there is a no "Concealed" weapon sign posted, you may open carry into the establishment..... But that is usually when you could be trespassing because they would probably ask you to leave. You also can not conceal carry in a police station or correctional facility. Technically, you could open carry into a PD or Jail/prison, but it wouldn't be very prudent, would it? Just because you CAN, doesn't mean that you SHOULD.


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[NavyLCDR]

I would say in my opinion that it would mean both. But ask the management for a clarification, and if it means no firearms allowed kindly explain to the management that you will be doing business else where.

Why discuss it with management? Why not take what they expressed via the sign exactly for what it says? If they don't want guns in the store then they need to post a sign, or make a statement that they don't want guns in the store, period. "NO GUNS OR OTHER WEAPONS ALLOWED". How hard is that? What they said via the sign was that they did not want you to hide your guns from view in their store. What would a court say about it? That you were just to assume that a posted sign means something other than what is stated on the sign? No. The court would say, "Your sign says no concealed weapons, and the customer was not concealing any weapons, so they complied with EXACTLY what you stated to them that you wanted them to comply with." Just obey the sign and be done with it. A lot of communications problem happen because people don't say what they mean, and other people assume someone meant what they did not say. Take the sign for what it says, nothing more.

Personally, if I owned a business, I would prefer that you carry your gun openly as well, but that would just be my personal preference and not a requirement that I make.

 

[dustoffuh1]

I'll clarify again. The sign says, No Concealed Weapons Permitted. That's why I was wondering about open carry. It's a medical clinic. So I'm "guessing" they don't want to have to deal with a loaded firearm while examining someone. Like I said, its a small town, everyone knows everyone, so I honestly wouldn't want to cause any problems. But by going with what the sign actually says, open carry "should" be ok. But I wouldn't do it out of respect. Most up here also have an AR or shotgun in their vehicle simply because of wild animals anyway. It's generally a firearm agreeable town.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'll clarify again. The sign says, No Concealed Weapons Permitted. That's why I was wondering about open carry. It's a medical clinic. So I'm "guessing" they don't want to have to deal with a loaded firearm while examining someone. Like I said, its a small town, everyone knows everyone, so I honestly wouldn't want to cause any problems. But by going with what the sign actually says, open carry "should" be ok. But I wouldn't do it out of respect. Most up here also have an AR or shotgun in their vehicle simply because of wild animals anyway. It's generally a firearm agreeable town.

I find it difficult to feel that an action is disrespectfull because it does not meet a desire that the actor must assume or guess exists.

 

[BC1]

This question came to mind as I went to pick up my prescriptions at the clinic today. They have a sign on the door, No concealed weapons permitted. As always I left my firearm in the trunk. However I realized that my EDC knife was hidden under my t-shirt, so I pulled that side of my t-shirt over the knife so it wasn't concealed. Which brought this to mind. In WI its also legal to open carry a firearm. So,, if I walked in there open carying, that would be fine,,, correct? Not that I would ever do it, because that would just be kinda taunting them and I like the people who work there. Its a small town, and everyone knows everyone. Anyway by law, if I did open carry in a business with a no CC weapons sign, I would have every right to do so, I would think. Thoughts? Comments~

I think you could be arrested. Are there any laws in WI that prohibit carrying a firearm into a clinic?

 

[bobqdevon]

There is nothing in the WI statute that prohibits carrying of weapons in medical facilities, with the exception of the secured portions of mental health facilities. Wis. Stat. 175.60 (16)(a)

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