Oooklahoma, where you can now open carry a firearm — read the nytimes article on it

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On Thursday, concealed-carry gun license holders will be given a new right in the state of Oklahoma: the ability to wear their guns outside their clothes and in open view. And the new law caught the eye of the New York Times.
The Times did a two-page writeup on the new legislation. We’ve included it in part below (pay special attention to the last paragraph):
In a state with 142,000 men and women licensed to carry concealed weapons, the scene at Beverly’s will most likely become commonplace as Oklahomans take advantage of the law by displaying their handguns while they shop for groceries, eat at restaurants and walk into banks.
Advocates for gun rights said the ability to “open carry” would deter crime and eliminate the risks of a wardrobe mishap, such as when someone carrying a concealed weapon breaks the law by accidentally exposing the firearm. But the new law is a symbolic as well as practical victory. Supporters said there was no better advertisement for the Second Amendment than to have thousands of responsible adults openly carrying their weapons in a highly visible fashion.
“This enhances Oklahomans’ ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights,” said the Republican state senator who wrote Senate Bill 1733, Anthony Sykes. “I think the evidence is clear that gun owners are some of the most responsible people, and they’ve shown that in not just Oklahoma, where we’ve had conceal carry for quite some time and there’s never been an incident, but in these other states as well.”
When the law takes effect, Oklahoma will become the 15th state to allow people to openly carry firearms with a license. Those 15 states include Utah, Iowa, New Jersey and Connecticut. Several other states, including Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada, have even more permissive laws that allow the carrying of unconcealed firearms without a license. All but six states and the District of Columbia allow some form of open carry, said John Pierce, founder of OpenCarry.org.
Though common around the country, these laws in several states have posed legal and logistical problems for municipalities and law enforcement agencies seeking to balance gun owners’ constitutional rights with maintaining order.
Even in Western and Midwestern states where support for gun rights is strong, the laws have often passed after lobbying efforts lasting years, and have led to confusion and debate about where it is appropriate, let alone legal, for people to openly display their handguns.
In Mason City, Iowa, officials debated seeking an ordinance making it illegal to open-carry in city parks after two people displaying their firearms showed up at a children’s playground. To avoid potential litigation, officials decided to not pursue an ordinance. They instead started a marketing campaign last month asking residents to keep their weapons concealed in public parks.
On the East Coast, open-carry laws generate little controversy because several states make it hard for average citizens to acquire the permits necessary to display unconcealed firearms. [Emphasis added]

You can read the entire article here.

 
Interesting how the article writes only 15 states allow open carry, then they reference Pierce who says 44 states allow it. Also how they believe maintaining order and carrying firearms are related.
 
Wow, did a NY publication not put a Bloomberg twist on it? Hell has officially frozen over!

OH contraire they got their digs in

balance gun owners’ constitutional rights with maintaining order.
WTH! Translation:
This is the mantra of the ANTI's like Chuck Schumer who always say
" we need sensible gun laws while supporting the Second Amendment." WTH does that mean?????

On the East Coast, open-carry laws generate little controversy because several states make it hard for average citizens to acquire the permits necessary to display unconcealed firearms.
Translation: We in New York have progressed and are no longer living in "cowboy days". We are smarter than you.

In 2010, a similar bill was vetoed by the governor at the time, Brad Henry, a Democrat, in part based on law enforcement concerns that such a law would make it difficult for officers to sort out the good guys from the bad guys at a crime scene. This year, the bill was signed into law in May by Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican and a gun owner
Translation: Republicans are evil gun loving rednecks. Democrats are smart and we care.

The new law has illustrated the ways in which the state’s image as a bastion of rugged outdoorsmen and gun-toting cowboys is as much fact as it is fiction.
Translation: Here in New York City rugged outdoorsmen types turn us on, but we are really scared of gun-toting cowboys on Brokeback Mountain.

The diner is in a strip mall off a busy expressway, behind a Starbucks
Translation: STARBUCKS! Civilization is trying to come to Oklahoma.

Downtown, managers at the Bricktown Brewery plan on posting a “no weapons allowed” sign. “I see our city with an opportunity to continue to be a modern, upscale city,” said Charles Stout, the brewery’s managing partner. “I think we have to be careful of the message we’re sending.”
Well at least somebody in Oklahoma has some sense. Read five paragraphs later
The law prohibits concealed or unconcealed firearms in a handful of places, including government buildings, schools and bars. Most businesses, however, must decide on their own how to handle those openly carrying.
refer now to the upper paragraph.

Customers with small handguns that are easy to conceal have been buying larger weapons, with longer barrels that hold additional rounds,
like the guy in Phoenix with large capacity clips.

Anyway after fighting the antis in New York for so long I am getting cynical I guess. But that is my story and I'm stickin to it.
 
Oooklahoma, where you can now open carry a firearm — read the nytimes article on it

Does anyone know if a person from another state with a concealed lisence can also carry open in Oklahoma, like for instance I live in arkansas but frequently visit Oklahoma can I open carry when I'm there
 
Update on Open Carry in OK

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Q&A about SB1733 - Open Carry in Oklahoma


Q&A about SB1733 - Open Carry in Oklahoma

Disclaimer: NONE OF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT UNTIL NOV 1, 2012. RELY ON EXISTING LAW AS FOUND IN O.S. TITLE 21 BEFORE NOVEMBER 1, 2012. We are not attorneys. (And we didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night) This information is provided only for informational purposes, and people who use this information are strongly encouraged to read applicable Oklahoma statutes, and to consult a practicing attorney with any questions. We are not responsible for any errors or omissions that may be contained herein (but it'd be great if you point them out, K?) All state statutes referenced herein can be found in O.S. Title 21. Words which are in "quotation marks" are directly copied from the referenced state statutes, but may be incomplete or out of context. You are encouraged to look up and read the applicable statues yourself and draw your own conclusions before choosing to carry a handgun in Oklahoma.

1) Do I need a license to OC in Oklahoma? Link Removed In order to carry a handgun concealed or unconcealed in public, one will need to have a "Handgun License" from the OSBI, and valid state ID in their posession. (Section 1289.6.A.6) If you do not have a valid handgun license, you may "carry loaded or unloaded shotguns, rifles and pistols, open and not concealed" ... "For lawful self defense and self protection or any other legitimate purpose in or on the property that is owned, leased or rented or otherwise legally controlled by the person"

2) I have a license issued by another state, can I open carry in Oklahoma?
(Section 1290.26.) "Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed or unconcealed carry upon the authority and license of another state is authorized to continue to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm and license in this state; provided the license from the other state remains valid. The firearm must either be carried unconcealed or concealed from detection and view."

3) I already have a "Concealed Weapon License" issued by OSBI. Do I need to get a different license to OC?
This is the same license (with the same requirements for background check and training) that was previously called a "Concealed Weapon License". Those who have a Concealed Weapons License may continue to carry openly or concealed until the expiration of their current license, and will receive a "Handgun License" upon renewal.

4) What type of handgun can I carry?
(Section 1290.2.C) Any derringer, revolver or semiautomatic firearm which has an overall length of less than sixteen (16) inches, is designed to be held and fired with one hand, is capable of discharging a projectile composed of any material which may reasonably be expected to be able to cause lethal injury, which uses either gunpowder, gas or any means of rocket propulsion to discharge the projectile, AND (Section 1290.6) is .45 caliber or smaller.

5) How many handguns can I carry?
It is our opinion that Oklahoma statutes do not specify or limit the number of concealed or unconcealed handguns that a licensee may carry.

6) How may I carry my handgun? (Section 1290.2.A.1 and 2) You may carry a loaded or unloaded pistol EITHER:
A) carried hidden from the detection and view of another person either upon or about the person, in a purse or other container belonging to the person, or in a vehicle which is operated by the person or in which the person is riding as a passenger, (concealed carry)
OR
B)carried upon the person in a belt or shoulder holster that is wholly or partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case designed for carrying firearms that is wholly or partially visible. (open carry)

7) Can I be charged for disorderly conduct if someone is frightened or offended by my open carry of a handgun?
(Section 1289.24.A.3) “As provided in the preemption provisions of this section, the otherwise lawful open carrying of a handgun under the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall not be punishable by any municipality or other political subdivision of this state as disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace or similar offense against public order.”

8) Is a police officer allowed to check the serial number on my handgun to see if it is stolen or check to see if my handgun is safe or not?
(Section 1290.8.E) "Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize a law enforcement officer to inspect any weapon properly concealed or unconcealed without probable cause that a crime has been committed."

9) Am I required to provide identification if I am stopped by a police officer? Can they take my handgun for "officer safety"?
(Section 1290.8.B) "The person shall display the handgun license on demand of a law enforcement officer; provided, however, that in the absence of reasonable and articulable suspicion of other criminal activity, an individual carrying an unconcealed handgun shall not be disarmed or physically restrained unless the individual fails to display a valid handgun license in response to that demand."

10) Am I required to notify a law enforcement officer that I am carrying a handgun?
Yes, when you are the subject of an arrest, detention, or traffic stop. (Section 1290.8.C)"It shall be unlawful for any person to fail or refuse to identify the fact that the person is in actual possession of a concealed or unconcealed handgun pursuant to the authority of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act when the person comes into contact with any law enforcement officer of this state or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop. Said identification to the law enforcement officer shall be made at the first opportunity."

11) What about city ordinances that may ban open carry?
(Section 1289.24 A.1.) "Oklahoma has complete state preemption over laws and ordinances "touching in any way firearms, components, ammunition, and supplies to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance, or regulation by any municipality or other political subdivision of this state. Any existing or future orders, ordinances, or regulations in this field, except as provided for in paragraph 2 of this subsection and subsection C of this section, are null and void."
"A municipality may only adopt an ordinance:
a. relating to the discharge of firearms within the jurisdiction of the municipality, and
b. allowing the municipality to issue a traffic citation for transporting a firearm improperly as provided for in Section 1289.13A of O.S. title 21."

12) What are the places that are prohibited to carry a handgun?
It is HIGHLY recommended that you look up and read this section yourself. (Section 1277.A)
"1. Any structure, building, or office space which is owned or leased by a city, town, county, state, or federal governmental authority for the purpose of conducting business with the public;"

"2. Any meeting of any city, town, county, state or federal officials, school board members, legislative members, or any other elected or appointed officials;"

"3. Any prison, jail, detention facility or any facility used to process, hold, or house arrested persons, prisoners or persons alleged delinquent or adjudicated delinquent;"

"4. Any elementary or secondary school;" (Section 1280.1.)to include school bus and school vehicles used to transport students or teachers; (Section 1280.1.C.1) Exception for dropping off students at school, must not leave vehicle unattended."

"5. Any sports arena during a professional sporting event;"

"6. Any place where pari-mutuel wagering is authorized by law

See more on link​
 
On Thursday, concealed-carry gun license holders will be given a new right in the state of Oklahoma: the ability to wear their guns outside their clothes and in open view.

This is the kind of thinking and statement that just really lights a fire under my rear end. When will we begin to understand that the government doesn't GIVE us rights?!? The government takes away rights! The people of Oklahoma ALWAYS had the right to open carry. What the government did was take away that right. And, the government is still taking away that right, in Oklahoma, because they are still requiring a person to pay for permission to do it.

Please, folks..... let us stop equating government permission which has been paid for to do something as granting us a right.
 
This is the kind of thinking and statement that just really lights a fire under my rear end. When will we begin to understand that the government doesn't GIVE us rights?!? The government takes away rights! The people of Oklahoma ALWAYS had the right to open carry. What the government did was take away that right. And, the government is still taking away that right, in Oklahoma, because they are still requiring a person to pay for permission to do it.

Please, folks..... let us stop equating government permission which has been paid for to do something as granting us a right.

I agree 100%! The 2nd is infringed by states and local governments all the time. All one has to do is read what it says, not what "they" think it says!
 
If seeing a gun scares you move to NY or IL you will not see many there, ok, maybe the guy holding you up, but other than that, you will not have to be scared.
 
What really has me ROFLMAO is that every time a new law takes effect - especially allowing open carry - all these statements are made that stuff will happen that never has happened, yet, in the past in states that have allowed open carry for decades. To wit:

"In a state with 142,000 men and women licensed to carry concealed weapons, the scene at Beverly’s will most likely become commonplace as Oklahomans take advantage of the law by displaying their handguns while they shop for groceries, eat at restaurants and walk into banks."

Why do they think Oklahoma will be any different than anywhere else? Open carry has not been commonplace anywhere in the US for a century.
 
If seeing a gun scares you move to NY or IL you will not see many there, ok, maybe the guy holding you up, but other than that, you will not have to be scared.
Correction, New York City, not New York State. There are 1.3 million CCW permits upstate.
 
Nightmare45 said:
If seeing a gun scares you move to NY or IL you will not see many there, ok, maybe the guy holding you up, but other than that, you will not have to be scared.
Correction, New York City, not New York State. There are 1.3 million CCW permits upstate.

BC1, exactly what does the number of CONCEALED Carry Weapons permits in a state where open carry is illegal have anything to do with it? Nightmare45 is spot on. If a person is afraid of SEEING a gun then they absolutely should move to the state where the very first pistol permit system was enacted in 1911 by a corrupt politician, Big Tim Sullivan, in order to remove guns from the hands of law abiding citizens who were shooting back at the mobsters working for him. People are obviously so afraid of the SIGHT of a gun carried by a law abiding citizen in New York State, that it is illegal to open carry there. Most people who have an irrational fear of an object simply don't feel afraid if they can't see the object.
 
All in all, much ado about not much at all.

OK has 142K CC permit holders. How many of those carry with any regularity? We don't know for sure, estimates seem to range from some very low percentage to maybe, on a good day, 25%. Of those that carry, how many will OC? There may be a burst at first just to celebrate, but I'd bet most will continue to CC just to avoid the stares. Of course, some will blatantly OC looking for attention and confrontation.

It would be interesting to get reports from our OK members on how many OCers they see in the wild.
 
All in all, much ado about not much at all.

OK has 142K CC permit holders. How many of those carry with any regularity? We don't know for sure, estimates seem to range from some very low percentage to maybe, on a good day, 25%. Of those that carry, how many will OC? There may be a burst at first just to celebrate, but I'd bet most will continue to CC just to avoid the stares. Of course, some will blatantly OC looking for attention and confrontation.

It would be interesting to get reports from out OK members on how many OCers they see in the wild.

Yeah, I would like to see a poll on how many actually CC and OC every day, or just how often they do carry on average.
 
All in all, much ado about not much at all.

OK has 142K CC permit holders. How many of those carry with any regularity? We don't know for sure, estimates seem to range from some very low percentage to maybe, on a good day, 25%. Of those that carry, how many will OC? There may be a burst at first just to celebrate, but I'd bet most will continue to CC just to avoid the stares. Of course, some will blatantly OC looking for attention and confrontation.

It would be interesting to get reports from out OK members on how many OCers they see in the wild.


I was out and about yesterday and did not see anyone OC, even in Wallyworld. I live in a town where OC will not be a problem for citizens at all. I am sure it will be a non event.

I am proud to say that I trained some of those 140,000 plus licensed handgun carriers. I do carry every day, but you are correct, most don't. I ask folks why they don't carry every day and when do they carry. "The usual reply is I carry when I think I need to carry." My answer to that is, should you really be going where you feel you need to carry?
 

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