Online MSNBC Poll on Restaurant Carry

Well, I very rarely consume alchohol and if I do, it's usually one beer or a glass of red wine at bedtime. I would never go to a bar, and if I did, I wouldn't feel comfortable around folks who were drinking and carrying firearms.
 
Booze and guns don't mix. I rarely drink out any more and would rather just kick back at home and have a cold one on the couch. Like George Thorougood sings, "I drink alone"
 
This is stemming from Arizona's new law - which takes effect today. It's 30 Sep 09 and AZ has a few new CCW laws taking effect today. Of course, THIS law gets all the media attention while the new Defensive Display law goes unmentioned. I loathe the media.

Once again the mainstream media perpetuates their bias and their ignorance. Arizona's new law forbids the CCW-Permit holding armed citizen from consuming alcohol if they choose to CC into any establishment serving alcohol for consumption on the premises. (Not just bars, but "Olive Garden" too.) The automatic assumption is that people are getting drunk AND carrying concealed... but the new law expressly prohibits that. It angers me because in their tiny little fragile, eggshell minds, anti's assume all gun owners are irresponsible drunken morons. Anti's are fools and the media keeps 'em that way.

However, as with any gun law - it only applies to the law abiding citizen. The criminal element gives a rip, and has likely been CCing wherever they want, in whatever state of inebreation they want - for years.

Big shock on that "poll." Anti's are opposed to guns. There's a news story. :to_pick_ones_nose:
 
First...why would anyone vote in an MSNBC poll? And; second why would anyone except for a "dyed-in-the wool" liberal think that the outcome of an MSNBC poll means anything?
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Some polls can influence public opinion, especially if they are by a major news network, because they will get mentioned on the air. Remember, a lot of sheeple don't think for themselves and have their opinions spoonfed to them by the networks. You can bet the anti-gun groups are encouraging their members to vote in these polls to send the results to the negative side. I'm just trying to counter them.
 
Guns and Booze...

You guys amaze me; you're all for gun rights until your own prejudices come into play. We can not only carry in places that serve alcohol here in Nevada, we can drink while carrying. The legal limit in Nevada for BAC while carrying is .10, it was not changed when MADD coerced the nation into .08 for DUI.

Guess what--you and the other anti gun rights folks are wrong--blood isn't flowing in the streets.


Believe it or not, almost everybody who legally carries a gun is a responsible law-abiding person.
 
AZSATT said:
This is stemming from Arizona's new law - which takes effect today. It's 30 Sep 09 and AZ has a few new CCW laws taking effect today. Of course, THIS law gets all the media attention while the new Defensive Display law goes unmentioned. I loathe the media.

Once again the mainstream media perpetuates their bias and their ignorance. Arizona's new law forbids the CCW-Permit holding armed citizen from consuming alcohol if they choose to CC into any establishment serving alcohol for consumption on the premises. (Not just bars, but "Olive Garden" too.) The automatic assumption is that people are getting drunk AND carrying concealed... but the new law expressly prohibits that. It angers me because in their tiny little fragile, eggshell minds, anti's assume all gun owners are irresponsible drunken morons. Anti's are fools and the media keeps 'em that way.

However, as with any gun law - it only applies to the law abiding citizen. The criminal element gives a rip, and has likely been CCing wherever they want, in whatever state of inebreation they want - for years.

Big shock on that "poll." Anti's are opposed to guns. There's a news story. :to_pick_ones_nose:
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And thats where the poll question is flawed in my opinion. Its not just Bars...but family restaurants as well...I'm not a drinker...but the law prohibiting CCW in restaurants that serve really would put a cramp in our family outings. We dont have that law in PA...but we have friends in NC that also has the prohibition...really annoying..."no, cant go there. Nope not there either..."
 
I got mixed feelings on this. Here in ND we can carry in an establishment which serves alcohol if more than 51% of the establishment's revenues come from sale of food. Think Applebees, I guess. And I do carry there, but I don't drink at all if I'm carrying (and rarely drink at all, for that matter). But I sure have seen the wonders of alcohol-induced idiocy many times, in all its splendor. So, I worry more about escalation issues that arise when inebriated numbnuts get things rockin'.

Having said that, I gotta believe that the people who go to the hassle of obtaining a CCW permit are, in the vast majority of instances, gonna carry (and drink) responsibly. And yeah, BGs are gonna carry wherever they want.

Bottom Line: I could carry in a bar without any problems, so I have to extend the same right to other CCW permit holders.
 
I hope that if some one was carrying legally they would have enough smarts not to get piss drunk and forget which way is up. I never touch a drop of alcohol... unless I am sick and need some dayquil or something, but being responsible is the key.
 
Yea, I read the restaurant thing and said “hell yea why not”, like minded folks, good company. Then the link page read bar. People who could be at any level if intoxication? Impaired and armed??? Not a good combo. When I’m drinking the guns are in the lock box, not in the holster.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
I don't know what poll you looked at, but the link goes to a page that starts like this:

Would you patronize a bar that allows customers to bring in their guns?
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6shootercarry said:
Yea, I read the restaurant thing and said “hell yea why not”, like minded folks, good company. Then the link page read bar. People who could be at any level if intoxication? Impaired and armed??? Not a good combo. When I’m drinking the guns are in the lock box, not in the holster.
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Thread title says restaurant...the poll title says bar. The poll is based on new law in AZ that allows carry in establishments that serve alcohol which includes bars and restaurants. The media intentionally worded the poll the way they did....its misleading...

If the poll question was..."Would you patronize a restaurant that serves alcohol (ie Olive Garden) that allows customers to bring in their guns?" what would your answer be then?
 
There's a big difference between a restaraunt and a bar. Most bars serve food, and most restauraunts also serve alcohol. The difference is the primary activity supported at the establishment: Bars = drinking, Restaraunts = eating.

If AZ is lumping them together for the purpose of concealed cary, then they've just opened up a big can of worms. We are already discussing the reason for the expected results here. Next will be drunken brawls ending in gunfire.
 
NDS said:
Guns and Booze...

You guys amaze me; you're all for gun rights until your own prejudices come into play. We can not only carry in places that serve alcohol here in Nevada, we can drink while carrying. The legal limit in Nevada for BAC while carrying is .10, it was not changed when MADD coerced the nation into .08 for DUI.

Guess what--you and the other anti gun rights folks are wrong--blood isn't flowing in the streets.


Believe it or not, almost everybody who legally carries a gun is a responsible law-abiding person.
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Gotta go with the evidence, I believe. How long as the law been in effect in Nevada? Do we have enough of a timeline to draw conclusions?

Remember, the "blood in the streets" argument was used by the antis when concealed carry really started making its debut in the 80s. It never happened, either.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
There's a big difference between a restaraunt and a bar. Most bars serve food, and most restauraunts also serve alcohol. The difference is the primary activity supported at the establishment: Bars = drinking, Restaraunts = eating.

If AZ is lumping them together for the purpose of concealed cary, then they've just opened up a big can of worms. We are already discussing the reason for the expected results here. Next will be drunken brawls ending in gunfire.
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Wow. Another blinded summarization of a supposition NOT BASED AT ALL ON LAW or the purpose the bill becoming law.

If you CC in AZ, your right to defend yourself does NOT have to end because the establish you may enter serves alcohol. However IF you enter said establishment, according to the AZ law that the blind do not read or try to understand, you - as the CCW Permit holding, gun carrying citizen CANNOT drink.

Any 'drunken brawl ending in gunfire' will not lawfully include the RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER with a CCW.

Criminals who get into drunken brawls at bars have been doing so for years, without regard for the law - hence, they are criminals.

More simply put, when AZ legislature passed this bill into law, they did so without regard 'for the kitchen.' Olive Garden or Crazy Eddie's Tavern - your right to defend yourself in AZ exists, but your lawful ability to drink does not. (Anti-gun establishment with signs posted are the natural exception.)

The fear of drunken gun battles in the streets has no bearing on this new law as it applies only to the law-abiding.
 
Sounds like your definition of "patronage" does not include "drinking" in a bar, Azsatt.

Would you agree to that statement?
AZSATT said:
Any 'drunken brawl ending in gunfire' will not lawfully include the RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER with a CCW.
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I cannot imagine how it could lawfully include anyone, but I suppose stranger things have happened. :sarcastic:
 
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