One world one revolution?? Have they lost their minds?

Revolting.

"Sire, the peasants are revolting."

"They were always revolting. Now they're rebelling."

Through unfair (and largely unregulated) business practices, many large corporations, especially the multi-national variety, have been sucking a lot of the world's wealth from the many, and concentrating it in the hands of a few.

While I'm generally not a fan of the "rob from the rich and give to the poor" approach - certainly SOMETHING needs to be done. Big Corporations need to be made to be better citizens. This means corporate investment in social infrastructure, and better sharing of earnings with labor force, so on and so forth. (As opposed to exploiting the Third World for the cheapest labor, and paying all but the top-tier employees just enough to struggle by.)

Big Corporate lobbies for a stronger government. Big Government passes policies that are favorable to Big Corporate. It's a vicious cycle. And MAKE NO MISTAKE, BOTH PARTIES ARE IN ON IT, bought and paid for.

People are FED UP. And that's why this movement is going on.

My concern is that, if there are police or National Guard crackdowns, this may no longer be a peaceful movement. And while I am in favor of the armed overthrow of tyranny, there is always a huge risk of the incoming power being worse than the outgoing power. And some of these folks who are protesting lean way too socialist for my taste.

As for me - I'm not taking to the streets yet. But I'm keeping my guns clean and ammunition stocked.
 
If the folks sitting around on their ass would get job, earn money, they could spend it to help the other lazy bastards.
 
The anger needs to be directed to the 535 people that are responsible for the laws that have created this mess. Class warfare is not going to solve anything, but that's the card the progressive liberals insist on playing. In my opinion any wealth you work hard to create for your self is yours to do with as you please. I don't care how much that is. All these winners going after corporations, why aren't they complaining about the millions that sports figures make or Hollywood. Our about the millions our elected representatives make. They don't attack our poor reps because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Just my $0.02.
 
I think they should all be forced to live in another country for a year then come back and see what they really have right here in the USA.
 
Phillip Gain said:
"Sire, the peasants are revolting."

"They were always revolting. Now they're rebelling."

Through unfair (and largely unregulated) business practices, many large corporations, especially the multi-national variety, have been sucking a lot of the world's wealth from the many, and concentrating it in the hands of a few.

While I'm generally not a fan of the "rob from the rich and give to the poor" approach - certainly SOMETHING needs to be done. Big Corporations need to be made to be better citizens. This means corporate investment in social infrastructure, and better sharing of earnings with labor force, so on and so forth. (As opposed to exploiting the Third World for the cheapest labor, and paying all but the top-tier employees just enough to struggle by.)

Big Corporate lobbies for a stronger government. Big Government passes policies that are favorable to Big Corporate. It's a vicious cycle. And MAKE NO MISTAKE, BOTH PARTIES ARE IN ON IT, bought and paid for.

People are FED UP. And that's why this movement is going on.

My concern is that, if there are police or National Guard crackdowns, this may no longer be a peaceful movement. And while I am in favor of the armed overthrow of tyranny, there is always a huge risk of the incoming power being worse than the outgoing power. And some of these folks who are protesting lean way too socialist for my taste.

As for me - I'm not taking to the streets yet. But I'm keeping my guns clean and ammunition stocked.
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Not a lot rational sanity is expressed on this topic, but I found your comment to be both.
 
fuhr52 said:
The anger needs to be directed to the 535 people that are responsible for the laws that have created this mess. Class warfare is not going to solve anything, but that's the card the progressive liberals insist on playing. In my opinion any wealth you work hard to create for your self is yours to do with as you please. I don't care how much that is. All these winners going after corporations, why aren't they complaining about the millions that sports figures make or Hollywood. Our about the millions our elected representatives make. They don't attack our poor reps because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Just my $0.02.
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I think anger directed at Congress is somewhat misdirected. Any anger toward what Congress has done or not done would be more rightfully directed at those Americans who, most likely, have NEVER participated in their own government OTHER THAN voting! After all, you give people a job where the employees actually write the rules, have an almost unlimited amount of money to spend and have NO oversight or supervision? What do you expect?
 
You have exactly what we have now. It's time for the employer, us, to clean house. I fail to see how anger at congress is misdirected. It's congress that is trying to misdirect the issue by encouraging class warfare. It's more of the "it's not our fault, it's those greedy rich people". Those greedy rich people have every right to the money they earn. Also every right to spend it as they choose. You and I may not agree but it's not our money. I don't want someone telling me how I should spend the money I earn and don't think you do either. On the other hand the government takes the money they spend and gives it to the non producers of society. There are plenty of non profit organization that will take care of the non producers but why should they. The government jumps in and takes over because they don't like the strings the privates attach to there handouts. The government has no strings attached so we have generations of people that have leaned how to work the system and are making a good income sitting on their butts doing nothing.
 
fuhr52 said:
You have exactly what we have now. It's time for the employer, us, to clean house. I fail to see how anger at congress is misdirected. It's congress that is trying to misdirect the issue by encouraging class warfare. It's more of the "it's not our fault, it's those greedy rich people". Those greedy rich people have every right to the money they earn. Also every right to spend it as they choose. You and I may not agree but it's not our money. I don't want someone telling me how I should spend the money I earn and don't think you do either. On the other hand the government takes the money they spend and gives it to the non producers of society. There are plenty of non profit organization that will take care of the non producers but why should they. The government jumps in and takes over because they don't like the strings the privates attach to there handouts. The government has no strings attached so we have generations of people that have leaned how to work the system and are making a good income sitting on their butts doing nothing.
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Sing "Amen" to that!

-Doc
 
Phillip Gain said:
Through unfair (and largely unregulated) business practices, many large corporations, especially the multi-national variety, have been sucking a lot of the world's wealth from the many, and concentrating it in the hands of a few.

While I'm generally not a fan of the "rob from the rich and give to the poor" approach - certainly SOMETHING needs to be done. Big Corporations need to be made to be better citizens. This means corporate investment in social infrastructure, and better sharing of earnings with labor force, so on and so forth. (As opposed to exploiting the Third World for the cheapest labor, and paying all but the top-tier employees just enough to struggle by.)

Big Corporate lobbies for a stronger government. Big Government passes policies that are favorable to Big Corporate. It's a vicious cycle. And MAKE NO MISTAKE, BOTH PARTIES ARE IN ON IT, bought and paid for.

People are FED UP. And that's why this movement is going on.

As for me - I'm not taking to the streets yet. But I'm keeping my guns clean and ammunition stocked.
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That post could be construed as a direct threat of gun violence against big corporations. It also screams socialism.

As a former corporate CEO an present investor I have no legal obligation to act in any manner other than for the proftability of the company, such actions being within the law. A corporation is not a person. It has no requirement to be sympathetic. As a private business owner I must do what is best for my future and that of my family. I'm not mommy and I don't accept complaints! If someone doesn't like me, my product or my methods they don't have to do business with me. But I'll not slave for decades just to hand over to those who cry in their milk. It's a tough world so many need to get off their rears, get an education an d stake their own claim in this world. For my money you can firehose the entire group of protestors in NYC. We've tolerated this for too long. If they have a gripe then they should take it to D.C where the problem originates.
 
spdracr39 said:
I think they should all be forced to live in another country for a year then come back and see what they really have right here in the USA.
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I have thought that so many times, about so many people. And I thought it long before I actually lived overseas for a few years. Most people in this country don't have the slightest idea how good they've got it, and those idiot protesters don't have the slightest idea how bad what they're asking for, really would be.
 
Take what is going on now as a precursor to next year at this time, when our king with no clothes adds in his SEIU and ACORN cohorts and starts a real "occupy". If the king and his dem loonies look like they will lose big time, it is not beyond a possibility that the king will "have to restore order" with his civilian defense force, as written into the healthcare bill that no one read. Did anyone ever hear of 1930 Germany and the brownshirts? Impossible? Not with this king wannabe and the crazy people he has supporting him. I agree with some of Phillip Gains comments. Lock and load guys. No one, and I mean no one is going to come up to my house and tell me to go anywhere. If nothing else, 1930 Germany taught me that I may think I am a citizen of the US with certain inalienable rights but we have a moslem king wannabe in the whitehouse who tramples the constitution literally everyday. I am jewish and I will not follow some clowns who tell me to leave my house for a pretty wonderful "camp" in say Idaho--that is what German jews did and they found out what these camps really were. I am in process of exchanging my 38 and my target pistol for a more formidable firearm that will teach a whole lot of "visitors" a very bad lesson in the constitution. I may be a crazy old man with crazy ideas but I have no faith in this government and despise its leaders and I will not be going anywhere where I do not want to go and will not sit by and watch some "occupiers" decide my future at my house. Lock and load.
 
fuhr52 said:
The anger needs to be directed to the 535 people that are responsible for the laws that have created this mess. Class warfare is not going to solve anything, but that's the card the progressive liberals insist on playing. In my opinion any wealth you work hard to create for your self is yours to do with as you please. I don't care how much that is. All these winners going after corporations, why aren't they complaining about the millions that sports figures make or Hollywood. Our about the millions our elected representatives make. They don't attack our poor reps because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Just my $0.02.
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Well, I can tell you why I'm mad at corporate America and not at Hollywood. If I pay ten bucks to see a movie, that's my choice. I didn't choose to bail out mega-corporations, and I sure didn't choose for them to give their CEOs huge bonuses with money they borrowed from me. And now that these businesses have paid back the bailout money, I would like my portion back, please.
 
BC1 said:
That post could be construed as a direct threat of gun violence against big corporations. It also screams socialism.

As a former corporate CEO an present investor I have no legal obligation to act in any manner other than for the proftability of the company, such actions being within the law. A corporation is not a person. It has no requirement to be sympathetic. As a private business owner I must do what is best for my future and that of my family. I'm not mommy and I don't accept complaints! If someone doesn't like me, my product or my methods they don't have to do business with me. But I'll not slave for decades just to hand over to those who cry in their milk. It's a tough world so many need to get off their rears, get an education an d stake their own claim in this world. For my money you can firehose the entire group of protestors in NYC. We've tolerated this for too long. If they have a gripe then they should take it to D.C where the problem originates.
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I completely and totally agree, and with that being said, Mr. CEO, you had better not be taking loans from the government, i.e. ME, to pay your bills, and you had better not cry if your business goes under, 'cause the way the capitalism ball bounces.
 
localgirl said:
Well, I can tell you why I'm mad at corporate America and not at Hollywood. If I pay ten bucks to see a movie, that's my choice. I didn't choose to bail out mega-corporations, and I sure didn't choose for them to give their CEOs huge bonuses with money they borrowed from me. And now that these businesses have paid back the bailout money, I would like my portion back, please.
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I agree, but it still go's back to the 535. If they don't agree to a bail out they don't get the money. Private enterprise should never be bailed out by government. For the administration to state they are too big to fail is total BS. If the truth be known it's more like I need money. I help you and you return the favor. More hope and change I guess.
 
BC1 said:
That post could be construed as a direct threat of gun violence against big corporations. It also screams socialism.
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Construe it however you wish. I'm not responsible for your inferences.

As a former corporate CEO an present investor I have no legal obligation to act in any manner other than for the proftability of the company, such actions being within the law. A corporation is not a person. It has no requirement to be sympathetic.
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You're right. But that attitude is part of the problem. Exxon/Mobil (and other oil companies), for example, had no legal obligation to help out when Hurricane Katrina struck. AND THEY DIDN'T. In fact, they enjoyed OBSCENE RECORD PROFITS in the aftermath. Were they within the law? Probably, at least enough so that their legal teams could argue it successfully. Were they in the right? NO.

As a private business owner I must do what is best for my future and that of my family. I'm not mommy and I don't accept complaints! If someone doesn't like me, my product or my methods they don't have to do business with me. But I'll not slave for decades just to hand over to those who cry in their milk.
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See, in a fair market, it would be true that consumers could vote with their dollars. But when a) the product is more of a commodity than a luxury and b) when all the "competing" corporations for said product are in kahoots with each other AND with the politicians, stacking the deck, fixing prices, and strangling out any whiff of competition, so that We The People are screwed no matter where we spend, THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM. And this is precisely what's happening. The short term result of this kind of predatory behavior is the erosion of a once-thriving middle class. The long-term result is feudalism and plutocracy, followed inevitably by violent overthrow. History has shown us that, over and over.

A word as to the political landscape as it relates to the corporate landscape. The two major political parties are doing "candidate-fixing" in the same way the big corporations are doing price-fixing. No matter who you vote for, that candidate has been bought and paid for by his/her party. Which in turn has been bought and paid for by the big corporations. AGAIN, A BIG PROBLEM, because it doesn't matter which candidate you choose, any more than it matters which corporation you choose from which to buy your commodity; We The People are screwed either way.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THE BIG CORPORATIONS. THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THE POLITICIANS. THE PROBLEM IS BOTH. And for me, the "each pointing the finger at the other" tactic isn't going to work anymore. That's why I stand in support of the Occupy movements. And meanwhile I'm praying that these movements are not hijacked by those with a radical liberal-socialist agenda.
 
localgirl said:
I completely and totally agree, and with that being said, Mr. CEO, you had better not be taking loans from the government, i.e. ME, to pay your bills, and you had better not cry if your business goes under, 'cause the way the capitalism ball bounces.
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Now if that loan is legal your beef isn't with me... it's with the government that loans that money. One characteristic of a good leader is that he will use every resource available to improve the bottom line. Improving the bottom line employs people. When I lose money people lose their jobs. It's pure economics. I can't emply people when constricted by society or regulations. I'm not in the charity business. The problem doesn't lie with every corporate CEO or business leader. The problem is rooted in the backwards polcies of both parties.

If my business goes under it is my fault alone. But the average successful businessperson generally has several failed ventures before hitting on a successful business. Most are near 50 years old when this happens. We roll with it and start anew. We DON'T cry in our milk like the Wall St. protestors. Regulatory issues are killing the small business right now. When Obamacare kicks in I'll have to let one employee go to cover the insurance of the others. Consider that small businesses employ the vast majority of people in America. So now who's the bad guy here? Me, who employs people for a good wage or the government who throws your tax $$ out the window?

I was entirely against the bailout. I did not see this as a means to improve the economy. Handouts don't lift people up, they make them dependent. I never took a handout in my life (or a government loan). I wanted Fanny & Freddie to go under for their poor loan practices. I wanted GM and the big banks to go under as well, even though it would have had a brutal effect on unemployment. The markets would eventually correct.
 
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