On-line permit?

\\-olf

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Hi, I just joined earlier and already have the first question :)

I happened to come across a post elsewhere leading to an on-line FA instruction/training site and it advertises that for $85 one can take their required Iowa CCP training class on-line, and that after completion/passing, they mail the certificate to you.

There's just something about that "on-line" process that just doesn't seem "legit" if you know what I mean, it's almost like getting a mail-order college degree diploma.
Anyone know if this is legit, and if the certificate from such a class is even valid for use in Iowa?

The CCW application has a "training documentation" section, and there is a check box for "Photocopy of handgun training" and another for "Affidavit attesting to completion of handgun training," so I am guessing the mailed-certificate would be valid.
 
Don't bet on it...if you are really into training properly, get a "live" legitimate person who has a reputation to do the right thing by you.
 
If it doesn't seem legit, why bother? Go with your gut and get actual live training. You will be the better for it.
 
i'm going to the gun show to take the course next weekend in fort lauderdale
i don't know if they will require two hours range time or not here
 
You need two hours of range time and I think that's not enough I go as much a I can

Oh I will have the range time next week or the week after in the basic gun owner's class, it has 1 hour in the classroom and 4 hours on the range. From what I understand Iowa's cc permit doesn't require even shooting a gun at all, which is amazing to me. I feel it should be required for new applicants to have range time, it's no different than taking a driver's test to get a driver's license, a one-time thing.
So according to the law's not even requiring shooting a gun for that class/permit, it is conceivable an on-line class would "work," if only for that reason.

I thought for me it might work as I'll already have gone though a basic class with 4 hours on the range and an instructor Ive read lots of great comments about. The CC class is not near me at all, and is more expensive than the on-line class, plus according to the live class schedule- THIS class is curiously held in the middle of a work day, while the basic class is on a Saturday.

My question was more related to the "is an on-line CC class legit and legally valid in Iowa or is such a thing a scam?"
 
Waste your money on it you sound dumb not to get the hint the first ten answers lol.


Wow, is that your usual response here? I can see we'll hit it off just fine here, not! Don't bother to respond to it, I added you to the ignore.

Did you not miss the fact the in-person class is on a WORKDAY, which for those of us who have jobs- means having to take a day off work and drive about 75 miles one way, for a class that has no range time or even handling a gun at all.
How is the $85 class to get the permit wasting my money over a $100 live class, loss of a day's work and 150 miles drive to get the same permit?

I read the resonses and agree with them, however, my question was- "is an on-line CC class legit and legally valid in Iowa or is such a thing a scam?" nothing else.

I thank the other respondents for their courteous input!
 
Hello and welcome. I to live in Iowa, as far as I know you can take a online class as long as its put on by a NRA certified instructor. It is true for Iowa you don't need range time, just 4 hours of class room time. I do recommend live fire. When I took my class the instructor did offer a live fire class but it was to be scheduled on a different day of the classroom portion and was quite pricey, so I opted out, since the class was held in Ottumwa and I lived in Montrose it wasn't feasible for me.
 
Would highly recommend range time plus time with skilled teacher as well as continued upgrading of skills. Welcome hope you are not to thin skinned. Peace, Love, Colt 45.
 
Do the online course

He's gonna have the range time in prior to taking the online course. Just because he doesn't have his permit yet doesn't mean he's inexperienced with firearms. As far as we know, he may be a world class shooter with more range time than any of us. One shouldn't assume he's a noob to shooting and firearms handling.

I don't see how the online course would be a waste of money. When I took my MN course, I shot a total of 8 rds through my 1911 and was done. The majority of the 8-hr class was just basic self defense law review. Informative? Yeah, but I can find the same, if not better, info online by going to the source.

I agree one needs to practice as much as possible AFTER they get the permit. However, a person shouldn't have to spend hours on the range just to prove they can hit a paper target in order to get a permit. But if you're gonna take carrying a weapon as serious as one should, then you need to hit the range often and practice real world drills, not just bullseye shooting.

My opinion, which doesn't mean much, is that you should do the online course if it's a legit course. Cheaper and more convenient for you. Good luck, and welcome. It's always good to hear of another law abiding citizen carrying a gun!
 
olf.

some states do let you do the CCW class on-line, but one of the major advantages of doing it with a person is first and formost the ability to ask questions and for them to be able to correct you and point you in the correct direction.

Is it legal? in some states it is, but remember...your going to be carrying in your city, state and country...do you really want to be carrying with a bunch of people that did just the online class and paid $50.00 for a permit and never picked a gun in there life???

I'm a trainer, so I may be bias on the point of view, but I train alot of people and I'm proud to say the go out of my classes with a good sense of what they need to work on..what are the strong points they have and a plan of what they need to do in the future to acomplish the goals the have med for themselves...your not going to get that from an on-line course...also, I have walked people over the phone with the asembly or disassembly of there personal guns when they make a mistake...you do not get that with the on-line course...


Just be safe, I think everyone here is trying to say it in there own tough love kinda way...good luck and remember, it is your choice and your responsable for your choices...
 
He's gonna have the range time in prior to taking the online course. Just because he doesn't have his permit yet doesn't mean he's inexperienced with firearms. As far as we know, he may be a world class shooter with more range time than any of us. One shouldn't assume he's a noob to shooting and firearms handling.

I don't see how the online course would be a waste of money. When I took my MN course, I shot a total of 8 rds through my 1911 and was done. The majority of the 8-hr class was just basic self defense law review. Informative? Yeah, but I can find the same, if not better, info online by going to the source.

I agree one needs to practice as much as possible AFTER they get the permit. However, a person shouldn't have to spend hours on the range just to prove they can hit a paper target in order to get a permit. But if you're gonna take carrying a weapon as serious as one should, then you need to hit the range often and practice real world drills, not just bullseye shooting.

My opinion, which doesn't mean much, is that you should do the online course if it's a legit course. Cheaper and more convenient for you. Good luck, and welcome. It's always good to hear of another law abiding citizen carrying a gun!

Thanks for that, oh I agree there on what you say.
I have never owned or used a firearm before, in fact when I went to the local gunshop to preview and chat with the owner before getting my acquire permit, I asked about a class. He said he used to teach law enforcement in the police dept, but that he doesn't teach classes to the public due to the insurance costs. So I asked about another instructor and he didn't know of any around here in rural NW Iowa town of 1,800 and actually had suggested that I might have to just go to the range and shoot/practice that way.
I said and thought, that doing that is a lot like learning how to drive a tractor trailer by watching a youtube video- looks easy in the video, but when it's you behind the wheel trying to back up a double trailer into a narrow loading dock with cars parked on either side, it's a whole other ballgame!

I had to search around and then called the sheriffs dept where I got the permit, and they gave me Jamie Buenting's number to call. I found he has a web site and offers several different classes, including one for women only, defensive-in the home etc. Only the basic class seems to be held on a Saturday but at this time it's scheduled for this Saturday and I was the only registrant as of a week ago in a class limited to 10 students. So if there's not enough for the class this week, he said he has another basic class 2 weeks later and it's only a little further away, about a 40 minute drive.
So one or the other, I will have the hour classroom and 4 hours on the range to start with.
To clear up a few things, this gun is going to mainly be for home defense, I thought as long as it's a simple matter to get a carry permit- just one more short form and a class, that I would go for it mainly with an eye on things such as if I take the gun to a range in my car and I have a carry permit, it's going to be better as I won't have to go thru the lockup, separate the ammo into the trunk my car doesn't have, and such steps I otherwise would if I didn't have the permit.
Then if I WANTED to carry it or take it somewhere other than places where guns are banned, I could without legal worries.
I'm not going to be packing heat at work, on the subway, at the ballgame or something like that, I live in a tiny town of 1,800 people, I don't "do" alcohol/bars, hunting, sports and I live alone so no worries about a kid getting into the gun.

Long story short, I DO have a screwball stalker in another state who is presently in jail on parole violations (real long story trust me!) the guy blames me (and everyone but himself) for his problems, and me for my having reported his activities some 13 years ago to the police which resulted in his world caving in around him. His wife divorced him. he lost his million dollar house and everything else, mostly from stock market hits.
Back then he had a lot of money- talking millions, and he hired a PI to get all of my info- name, address, workplace, unlisted number, SS#, DOB, photos of the outside of my house taken from a vehicle on the road, all of that and distributed it among his drug and other shady buddies on-line and urged them to "pay him a visit." He posted a similar thing on a wierd web site- after my work was featured in a major newspaper he put a link up to the article.

He was busted on major drug hauling charges and got the sweetest sweetheart deal of a lifetime, then blew that and went back for 3 years on parole violations.

I'd since changed my name in court, but before that and his last arrest he had continued sending me harassing anonymous emails, and messages thru youtube's system etc. calling me at work or trying to and leaving messages with the secretary from "an old friend" with a bogus phone number. Nothing making actual threats that are actionable, but still, unwanted contacts and he says he will never forget. The guy is an expert on shielding his ip, using proxies and covering himself, but he still had made careless mistakes over the years and I have a complete dossier on him. Myself and a group of people are monitoring his every action that we can.

He gets out of prison in Nov, and while I doubt the guy would ever show up on my doorstep, he or one of his drug cartel buddies COULD, and rather than being a sitting duck if they did, I got the firearm and I'm going to get ready for anything that might come down the pike so to speak.
I may acquire a small easily concealable gun to carry, but it would have to be small, out of sight and not on my person as I work, but would be good for the returning home to an empty house phase at the end of the day. My house is somewhat isolated in that there's no other houses within 300 feet on the edge of town, and most of the rest is 40 acres of hayfields.
 
Hi, I just joined earlier and already have the first question :)

I happened to come across a post elsewhere leading to an on-line FA instruction/training site and it advertises that for $85 one can take their required Iowa CCP training class on-line, and that after completion/passing, they mail the certificate to you.

There's just something about that "on-line" process that just doesn't seem "legit" if you know what I mean, it's almost like getting a mail-order college degree diploma.
Anyone know if this is legit, and if the certificate from such a class is even valid for use in Iowa?

The CCW application has a "training documentation" section, and there is a check box for "Photocopy of handgun training" and another for "Affidavit attesting to completion of handgun training," so I am guessing the mailed-certificate would be valid.

This is what the state of Iowa requires:
“Firearm training documentation”
means a photocopy of a certificate of completion or any similardocument indicating completion of any firearm training program course; an affidavit from the instructor,school, organization or group that conducted or taught a firearm training program; a copy of or thedisplay of an honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions or Form DD-214 forpersonnel released or retired from active duty with the armed forces of the United States; or possessionof a certificate of completion of basic training with a service record of successful completion of smallarms training and qualification for active duty personnel in the armed forces of the United States. Fora renewal application, firearm training documentation also includes documentation of qualifying on afiring range under the supervision of an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or the Iowalaw enforcement academy or another state’s department of public safety, state police department, orsimilar certifying body.

This is what the state of Iowa requires to provide what is quoted above:
“Firearm training program”
means any National Rifle Association handgun safety training course;any handgun safety training course available to the general public utilizing instructors certified by theNational Rifle Association or the Iowa law enforcement academy or another state’s department of publicsafety, state police department, or similar certifying body; any handgun safety training course offeredfor security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of a law enforcement
or security enforcement agency approved by the Iowa department of public safety; or completion ofsmall arms training while serving with the armed forces of the United States. Any person or entityseeking approval by the Iowa department of public safety for a handgun safety training course offeredfor security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of a law enforcementor security enforcement agency, other than those certified by the National Rifle Association or the Iowalaw enforcement academy or courses conducted by instructors certified by the National Rifle Associationor the Iowa law enforcement academy, shall submit a detailed description of the course content to thecommissioner for review. Any handgun safety training course submitted for review shall be reviewedby the commissioner to determine if the course is substantially equivalent to the Iowa law enforcementacademy marksmanship qualification course.

This information is from:
IAC 3/9/11 Public Safety[661] Ch 91, p.1

CHAPTER 91 WEAPONS AND IOWA PROFESSIONAL PERMITS TO CARRY WEAPONS
[Prior to 5/9/07, see rules 661—4.1(724) to 661—4.12(17A,724)]

661—91.1(724) Definitions.

My personal opinion is, if you haven't had much experience with firearms, take a course in person. If provided by a certified, competent professional it will be well worth the money spent. Then practice what you've learned as much as you possibly can.


 
This is the basic handgun class I mentioned that I am registered for to do Saturday unless the minimum of 5 have not registered yet, in which case there's another one the following Saturday.

[h=1]Basic Handgun[/h]
6 hours
Experience level: No experience to the novice shooter
Classroom – 1 hour

  • Firearms safety
  • Basic firearms maintenance
  • Basic marksmanship fundamentals
Range – 5 hours

  • Reinforcement of firearms safety
  • Practicing firearms manipulation: Loading,unloading,clearing malfunctions using dummy rounds
  • Marksmanship skills – stance,grip,sights,breathing,trigger press,follow through
  • As each students comfort level and accuracy improves,we will continue to challenge them to improve throughout the day
We maintain a 1:3 instructor/student ratio to provide multiple levels of instruction as students may progress and different speeds throughout the class.
Requirements

  • 21 years of age / 18 years of age if accompanied by a parent or guardian
  • Revolver or pistol in good working condition – no minimum caliber
  • Eye and ear protection
  • A holster preferred but not required
  • 200 rounds of ammunition
  • RECOMMENDED – snacks,hydration,sun block,bug spray
Cost $100 / person
As always,safety is number one priority,but we will keep the class informative and fun as well as a comfortable environment. As for the amount of ammunition fired during the class,we focus highly on quality not quantity.
Maximum of 10 students
 
Virginia has a similar on-line course that can be taken to satisfy the training requirement for their permit application. I fully agree with the importance of firearms training. However, I also agree that training is a good choice, not necessarily a requirement. Pennsylvania and New Hampshire do not require training for a weapons carry permit, and I would imagine that there are other states in this category as well. North Dakota requires the competion of a short written test. Anybody can take a course and fall out of practice and be in the same position as a person who never took the course in the first place.

If one has a knowledgeable friend or relative, great. If not, then a more formalized training option may be in order.
 
Sure thing, and that class desc I posted is the basic class, it looks like I will be the only student there tomorrow as the instructor is going to the range anyway, so in all effect it will wind up being a private class.
The cc class to get the cw permit is just a lecture of sorts, there is NO range work, practice, nor bringing of firearms to that class at all.
I do find it somewhat disturbing that in Iowa someone can buy a gun after they get the acquire permit, and then get a cc permit after only attending a lecture type class with NO hands-on instrtuction or range work at all, and be able to carry a loaded weapon around in their car and on the streets and have NO idea whatsoever how to use the weapon, or having even fired even one bullet out of it to if nothing else- find out how much recoil it has etc.

Personally I think there should at least be the requirement for NEW applicants (not renewals) to attend a basic handgun class such as the one I posted the description of- one hour in class, 5 hours on the range, no "scoring" on the range as per how accurate you get holes on a paper target- but increased challenges by the instructor during the day per the description.

With this class one should have the basics of safe handling, loading, unloading, cleaning, firing the weapon, proper stance, holding it, ammo selection etc
I am ready for the class tomorrow and have a holster as suggested, a little carry case for the boxes of ammo, a lockable soft case for the gun, new and not scratched- eye protection- mine from work have scratches and that wouldn't be good.
I also have a new pair of ear protectors I bought on Amazon that feel really good when I tried them on today, Peltor Ultimate 10, which has a 30 db reduction if I remember right, and it's much better than the one from work I WAS planning to use, and it has a little higher db reduction rating than the one at work.

I forgot to mention I work with a former Iowa state police officer, and mentioned my gun purchase and class, and he is interested in going to the range together and shooting since he had an unfortunate accident with his right (shooting) hand at work in December that cost him 1-1/2 fingers, so he needs to re-learn using his firearm now with his left hand.
 
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An update, I just returned from the basic class, and I did wind up being the only student this time, so in the end it wound up being a private instruction which really worked out well.
The poor instructor just got off work from the police dept at 6 AM and has to be back for a 12 hour shift at 6 tonight. We did the class from 9 to 1 and Jamie was just going to do the class "on him" at no charge since it wasn't the full 6 hours.
I still said I wanted to pay him, and said why I just pay the $100 for the class and and sign me up as paid- for the cc class which I learned he only charges $50 for, and he has this cc class right near the range- on Tuesday.

So it all worked out really well and Jamie was just fantastic, excellent at what he does and extremely professional in every way.
I have 3 targets I brought home I'll have to scan and link to, I did quite well when I focussed but do have a slight tendency to push foward a little at times in anticipation of the recoil which affects the accuracy.
In fact, Jamie had me load 5 rounds once and it was a trick- I got to the empty chamber and pulled the trigger and nothing happened, but we could both see the gun move forward a little.
The last 6 shots were done in rapid fire shooting at the target without sighting down the barrel, as if I were shooting at an intruder, I did very well there but we both found I had completely changed my grip on the gun when I grabbed it out of the holster and fired.
It would appear as though I haven't yet found "the" grip position, one that's natural and comfortable to where my hand just naturally goes, so maybe the wood stocks my gun has on it aren't really the best.

I shot 100 rounds, the recoil wasn't much at all, even after 100 rounds I had no hand fatique or the like.

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There are no such thing as an NRA Instructor that gives and NRA Course online. The NRA will pull credentials. I am an NRA Training Counselor and would report any Instructor that I saw doing that. One of the requirements of teaching an NRA class, is in person........
 

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