OC compared to INSURANCE

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I posted this in another thread but but feel that it warrants its own thread so anyone who carries can have more justification and support for carrying a gun, whether OPEN or concealed.

This might help some of you who are still searching for an answer; I'm not sure if this is a good one, but it is at least another train of thought.

I carry much of the time. Sometimes concealed and other times discretely in an IWB holster at my 4 O’clock. By discretely, I mean in the IWB with the grip forward, it doesn't stand out as it would in an OWB holster. Also, the shields on the holster covers/hides the hammer so only the grip shows. The IWB offers enough modesty so that with a shirt that is not firmly tucked into my waistband it partially covers the grip of the gun so that most people won’t notice it. As was stated elsewhere, many people tend not to notice something they aren't expecting to see. Call them 'condition white'.

I also try to be more aware of people around me so that someone will not sneak up on me and attempt to wrestle my gun from me. I tend to turn so that the piece is away from them. My leather, double-sided-shield holster is not the retention-type, since the IWB gives me the closeness I feel necessary.

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I’ve been asked a few times about carrying my gun by people who do not understand why more and more people are now carrying and have come up with a good discussion to help the people understand what it is for. I immediately ask them if they have car insurance and they tell me that it is the law that they have to have it. I then ask them if they have insurance on their house. They tell me that it is a good idea to have that, too. So then I ask "ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO USING YOUR INSURANCE/FILING A CLAIM ?"

They think for a moment and tell me that they never want to have use it.
At that point, I tell them that THIS, pointing to my gun, is insurance and I, like you, hope to NEVER have to use it, either.

The light goes on and they begin to understand why I carry. I tell them that is what insurance is for – better to have it and never use it than to need it and not have it. I then explain that violence and terror DO NOT MAKE APPOINTMENTS and can show up/happen anywhere, anytime or anyplace to ANYONE. Your insurance comes into play AFTER some type of incident happens. Mine can prevent an incident FROM happening. Yours is REactive, mine is PROactive.

Sometimes someone sees my gun and asks if I'm a LEO. I tell them NO. I'm retired.
Both statements are true. I'm not a LEO. I'm also retired. It's all in how YOU interpret what I have just said. So far nobody has asked which department I retired from. If someone does ask, I'll tell them that I retired from the Department of Defense. That should satisfy them, if leaving them a bit confused.
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If I have a few minutes, I then explain the sheepdog, sheep and wolf, (a short story LTC Dave Grossman tells in his seminars) and how the sheepdog is there to protect the sheep when the wolf shows up. And the dog doesn’t know who the sheep are, nor does he care. He just PROTECTS them with no hesitation. That is what I practice/train for, too.

I hope that I have given them some good feelings about the ever increasing number of us who carry our guns in their presence.
 
Pretty often when I OC people will ask if I am a LEO. I reply "No, just a regular citizen". After they ask why I carry a gun, I say "To use if a BG attacks either me or someone close to me. I really, really hope I never have to use it".
It is really just that simple, isn't it?
 
I posted this in another thread but but feel that it warrants its own thread so anyone who carries can have more justification and support for carrying a gun, whether OPEN or concealed.

This might help some of you who are still searching for an answer; I'm not sure if this is a good one, but it is at least another train of thought.

I carry much of the time. Sometimes concealed and other times discretely in an IWB holster at my 4 O’clock. By discretely, I mean in the IWB with the grip forward, it doesn't stand out as it would in an OWB holster. Also, the shields on the holster covers/hides the hammer so only the grip shows. The IWB offers enough modesty so that with a shirt that is not firmly tucked into my waistband it partially covers the grip of the gun so that most people won’t notice it. As was stated elsewhere, many people tend not to notice something they aren't expecting to see. Call them 'condition white'.

I also try to be more aware of people around me so that someone will not sneak up on me and attempt to wrestle my gun from me. I tend to turn so that the piece is away from them. My leather, double-sided-shield holster is not the retention-type, since the IWB gives me the closeness I feel necessary.

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I’ve been asked a few times about carrying my gun by people who do not understand why more and more people are now carrying and have come up with a good discussion to help the people understand what it is for. I immediately ask them if they have car insurance and they tell me that it is the law that they have to have it. I then ask them if they have insurance on their house. They tell me that it is a good idea to have that, too. So then I ask "ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO USING YOUR INSURANCE/FILING A CLAIM ?"

They think for a moment and tell me that they never want to have use it.
At that point, I tell them that THIS, pointing to my gun, is insurance and I, like you, hope to NEVER have to use it, either.

The light goes on and they begin to understand why I carry. I tell them that is what insurance is for – better to have it and never use it than to need it and not have it. I then explain that violence and terror DO NOT MAKE APPOINTMENTS and can show up/happen anywhere, anytime or anyplace to ANYONE. Your insurance comes into play AFTER some type of incident happens. Mine can prevent an incident FROM happening. Yours is REactive, mine is PROactive.

Sometimes someone sees my gun and asks if I'm a LEO. I tell them NO. I'm retired.
Both statements are true. I'm not a LEO. I'm also retired. It's all in how YOU interpret what I have just said. So far nobody has asked which department I retired from. If someone does ask, I'll tell them that I retired from the Department of Defense. That should satisfy them, if leaving them a bit confused.


I find being intentionally misleading less than honest and not only unnecessary but self servingly alluding to having some kind special status.
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If I have a few minutes, I then explain the sheepdog, sheep and wolf, (a short story LTC Dave Grossman tells in his seminars) and how the sheepdog is there to protect the sheep when the wolf shows up. And the dog doesn’t know who the sheep are, nor does he care. He just PROTECTS them with no hesitation. That is what I practice/train for, too.

I hope that I have given them some good feelings about the ever increasing number of us who carry our guns in their presence.
Please note my comment in blue above.

It is my unashamed and absolutely politically incorrect opinion that any ordinary person who thinks carrying a gun makes him some kind of "sheepdog" or "protector of the masses" or "knight in shining armor hero just waiting for an opportunity to open a can of super secret Ninja skills concealed carry "element of surprise" all over a bad guy".... is suffering from delusions of grandeur.

As for me...

I am not a sheep for I do not mill around with the flock with my attention on fitting in with the flock.

I am not a wolf for I do not prey on the sheep.

I am not a sheepdog for I do not have the responsibility to protect the sheep... nor do I have any desire to fight the wolf.

I am a stray dog... I am warily friendly to the sheep and I avoid the wolf as I fend for myself yet I will fiercely fight to protect those I love... from both wolf and sheep.
 
Bikenut

No diss intended but it is my opinion that when you strap on a gun you ARE a sheepdog. And if you train with it, you are sharpening your skills and abilities to be that sheepdog. You may look like any stray dog but ANY dog can be the sheepdog....

As far as your responsibility goes, you assume that responsibility when you put the gun on your belt. Like you, I have no allusions of anything, other than being able to go home at the end of the day in the same physical and mental condition as when I left in the morning. And if I have to use my gun to do that, then I (think I) am prepared. As for protecting myself from anyone, including other sheep, I educate myself so I am not surprised by (most) anything that might happen (or be said/asked) during the day. I try to educate myself so that I can educate others when asked about my insurance.

So if you won't admit (even to yourself) that you're not a sheepdog, you will look back from an incident during which you must defend, and maybe realize that sheepdogs come in all looks, sizes and shapes, not just that proverbial "German Shepard".

As far as being deceptive, I am not in any way. People will ask about something for one of 2 reasons - curiosity, or fear. People will ask about something they feel is dangerous so my answer is purposely nebulous not self-serving. I don't brag about anything; I just have not given 100% of the information bcuz they have no need to know. My answer allays their fears and they walk away less uncomfortable than before they asked. As far as my status, I am simply a law abiding citizen like most everyone else. However, I am more prepared than many others.... (And I AM leaving that line of thought open for whatever you want to surmize/conclude)
Also, I welcome any of your opinions, as I always want to learn how better to handle inquiries from those who are less informed than our group of gun handlers.

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Bikenut

You wrote:

I find being intentionally misleading less than honest and not only unnecessary but self servingly alluding to having some kind special status.

And then you wrote:

It is my unashamed and absolutely politically incorrect opinion that any ordinary person who thinks carrying a gun makes him some kind of "sheepdog" or "protector of the masses" or "knight in shining armor hero just waiting for an opportunity to open a can of super secret Ninja skills concealed carry "element of surprise" all over a bad guy".... is suffering from delusions of grandeur.
As for me...
I am not a sheep for I do not mill around with the flock with my attention on fitting in with the flock.
I am not a wolf for I do not prey on the sheep.
I am not a sheepdog for I do not have the responsibility to protect the sheep... nor do I have any desire to fight the wolf.

I am a stray dog... I am warily friendly to the sheep and I avoid the wolf as I fend for myself yet I will fiercely fight to protect those I love... from both wolf and sheep.
 
I'm not seeing the option to "like" a post on the iPhone mobile app...
But, I totally agree with your comments!
 
Folks need to realize that intentionally misleading someone into thinking they are some kind of LE officer or Dept. of Defense official/officer could lead to charges of impersonating an officer/government official.

Just a general comment for folks to consider about this "sheepdog" nonsense...

Guarding the sheep is the job and responsibility of the sheepdog. So those who carry a gun need to ask themselves... is it your job and/or your responsibility to guard everyone you see (the flock) everywhere you go? Is it? Is it really?

As far as I'm concerned the "sheep" can go get their own flocking gun.
 

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