Obama using fake twitter messages

[TroutStalker]

http://loveistheonlytruth.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/obama-using-fake-twitter-messages-in-fight-over-gun-control/

Did this surprise any of us? I think not.

 

[S&W645]

http://loveistheonlytruth.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/obama-using-fake-twitter-messages-in-fight-over-gun-control/

Did this surprise any of us? I think not.

Not one bit. He is a fake to start with.

 

[UATKP]

I still, think he's a Muslim, practicing taqiyya. Scum of the earth! Traitor of the highest order...

 

[jcreek]

I still, think he's a Muslim, practicing taqiyya. Scum of the earth! Traitor of the highest order...

Really? What does his religion have to do with anything? Why does it matter whether he's a christian or a muslim or something else. I don't agree with him any more than the next guy but how can you be on this forum defending the second amendment while simultaneously attacking the first?

 

[TroutStalker]

Right. Liars and azzholes come in many different shapes,colors and religions.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by UATKP View Post
I still, think he's a Muslim, practicing taqiyya. Scum of the earth! Traitor of the highest order...

Really? What does his religion have to do with anything? Why does it matter whether he's a christian or a muslim or something else. I don't agree with him any more than the next guy but how can you be on this forum defending the second amendment while simultaneously attacking the first?

I do not think that having the opinion someone is lying while exercising the first amendment right to free speech is attacking the 1st Amendment... it is merely having the opinion someone is lying.

taqiyya---------

Islam Watch - "Understanding Taqiyya ? Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah" by Warner MacKenzie

Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah

by Warner MacKenzie
-snip-
The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna,
-snip-

Now... a serious and sincere question...

Are there other religions that allow lying and sanction such in their Holy books?

 

[tricolordad]

Ummm...take it from a REAL Muslim man. Obama is not Muslim. He is not Christian. He wants to be a god, but, thankfully, that is not possible.

Al, you still basing your view of Islam on the color of one's skin?

 

[tricolordad]

I do not think that having the opinion someone is lying while exercising the first amendment right to free speech is attacking the 1st Amendment... it is merely having the opinion someone is lying.

taqiyya---------

Islam Watch - "Understanding Taqiyya ? Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah" by Warner MacKenzie

Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah

by Warner MacKenzie
-snip-
The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna,
-snip-

Now... a serious and sincere question...

Are there other religions that allow lying and sanction such in their Holy books?

You tell me where in the Qran that it says that lying is okay, and I will take a picture of that page.

I read my Qran daily. I have read it front to back many times and have yet to see anything that commands me to commit any sin. And, no, it's not a magic book that changes what's on its' pages when white people enter the room.

 

[Bikenut]

You tell me where in the Qran that it says that lying is okay, and I will take a picture of that page.

I read my Qran daily. I have read it front to back many times and have yet to see anything that commands me to commit any sin. And, no, it's not a magic book that changes what's on its' pages when white people enter the room.

I am not a believer in Islam... so I don't have a clue what is in that religion or it's Holy books... nor do I much care. What I can do is to present what other folks say about it, as I did in my other post where I quoted and linked to what Warner McKenzie said about it...

Now I'll answer your question by citing and linking to what someone else says about what the Quran says about lying...

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)

Question:

Are Muslims permitted to lie?


Summary Answer:

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
-snip-

Please understand that I am NOT attacking Islam or Muslim people... I'm just using google and these are the results. Folks can take these results .. or leave them.. or they can use google themselves.

 

[tricolordad]

I am not a believer in Islam... so I don't have a clue what is in that religion or it's Holy books... nor do I much care. What I can do is to present what other folks say about it, as I did in my other post where I quoted and linked to what Warner McKenzie said about it...

Now I'll answer your question by citing and linking to what someone else says about what the Quran says about lying...

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)

Question:

Are Muslims permitted to lie?


Summary Answer:

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

so getting along with others is suddenly a bad thing? Do you go out of your way to make your kid's teachers uncomfortable because they are liberals? Ever heard the quote: do unto others as you would have them do unto you

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

paranoia.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
torture at the hands of Christian captors, ie. Templars

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

a reminder that not all men are good

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

yup, law forbade idols. He bible, qran and torah all say "there is no god (Allah, Jehova, God) but god"

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

In case of Christian occupation. The French are very good at this.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

"Does this baby in my belly make me look fat?"

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

allah (God) loves you so much, he is willing to look past a few small things.

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

You can take it out of context as much as you want, but this passage basically says, your enemy may outsmart you and take your life (robbery, war etc.), but Allah will hold him accountable on judgment day,

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

like avoiding unnecessary conflict, preserving life, ending war, peace with your neighbors..
From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
-snip-

Please understand that I am NOT attacking Islam or Muslim people... I'm just using google and these are the results. Folks can take these results .. or leave them.. or they can use google themselves.

When you quote Hadith, that just shows how unfamiliar you are, as you claim to be, with Islam. Hadith is the OTHER book used by those who use islam to keep control of the poor masses. Ever hear of saudi arabia? They're all illiterate, do they cannot read the Qran for themselves. They aren't taught to read unless they are from Royal blood. If they are from Royal blood, they are taught to use those tools of depravation to provide for themselves and keep everyone else in servitude.

The other thing, is that Hadith is comparable to the commands your new testament gives you. Hadith commands Muslims to pray to Muhammed, which goes against God's will. Christians (as in Christ) are told to worship Jesus and pray to Mary and John the baptist...all mortal humans. Not to God. Is it not wrong to idolize? Why is there a statue of Christ in every church? Why do you kneel before a cross when you were commanded to not do such things? Why are there images of god in your bibles? Even a picture of a hand interpreted to be his is forbidden by God. Better look in the mirror before you go accusing others of doing wrong. Don't get down on me because I have been obeying god's word.

 

[tricolordad]

You may notice that i edit a few times before i'm done. This is because I have a satellite internet connection and it's unstable. If i take too long to post, I time out and have to start over.

 

[AndeyHall]

The fact that the government and especially the president can manipulate any matter to his benefit, including the election, will never surprise me.

 

[Bikenut]

My responses are within the postings in blue.

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
I am not a believer in Islam... so I don't have a clue what is in that religion or it's Holy books... nor do I much care. What I can do is to present what other folks say about it, as I did in my other post where I quoted and linked to what Warner McKenzie said about it...

Now I'll answer your question by citing and linking to what someone else says about what the Quran says about lying...

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)

Question:

Are Muslims permitted to lie?


Summary Answer:

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

so getting along with others is suddenly a bad thing? Do you go out of your way to make your kid's teachers uncomfortable because they are liberals? Ever heard the quote: do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Did you just say that according to Islam it is Ok to lie as long as it leads to getting along with others? And the Quran supports that?

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

paranoia.

How about explaining what that means instead of dismissing it as "paranoia"?

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
torture at the hands of Christian captors, ie. Templars

I was taught that no matter the provocation a lie is still a lie. Of course under dire circumstances lies are told but that still doesn't make the lie Ok and God took note of it and expects the person to ask to be forgiven.. for the lie. So does the Quran says that if the provocation is dire enough then a lie is just no big deal?

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

a reminder that not all men are good

Horse crap! I'm not all that educated but I can read a sentence that plainly means... "Do not make friends outside your faith unless to do so is in your best interests."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

yup, law forbade idols. He bible, qran and torah all say "there is no god (Allah, Jehova, God) but god"

So.... a Muslim can make a promise to an "idolater" but doesn't have to honor it? Isn't that .... lying? And isn't hiding a lie behind the rationale that the lie involved idolators and idols nothing more than an attempt to justify ... a lie?

Now... I'm not sure about the Bible or the Torah... but does the Quran support lying as long as the lie can be justified because it was told to idolators who worshiped idols?

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

In case of Christian occupation. The French are very good at this.

So again... it's Ok to lie to those who aren't believers? And the Quran supports this?

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

"Does this baby in my belly make me look fat?"

So again... are you saying that a lie is Ok as long as it keeps you out of trouble by not pissing off your wife? And the Quran supports this?

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

allah (God) loves you so much, he is willing to look past a few small things.

So Allah (God) is willing to let folks lie and it's Ok? And the Quran supports this?

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

You can take it out of context as much as you want, but this passage basically says, your enemy may outsmart you and take your life (robbery, war etc.), but Allah will hold him accountable on judgment day,


So your interpretation of that passage is different than the author of the article's. So noted.

By the way... if the Quran says God "schemed" and the Arabic word used for "scheme" is "makara" meaning "deceit"... is the Quran saying that God is deceitful?

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

like avoiding unnecessary conflict, preserving life, ending war, peace with your neighbors..

One more time.... are you saying that it is Ok for a Muslim to lie to others as long as it is done to avoid "unnecessary"???? conflict, preserve life, end war, and promote peace with your neighbors? And the Quran supports this?

Didn't you say that if the Quran had anything in it that supported lying that you would take a picture of it?

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
-snip-

Please understand that I am NOT attacking Islam or Muslim people... I'm just using google and these are the results. Folks can take these results .. or leave them.. or they can use google themselves.

When you quote Hadith, that just shows how unfamiliar you are, as you claim to be, with Islam.

I put part of your post in bold to highlight it in order to remind you that I said...

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
I am not a believer in Islam... so I don't have a clue what is in that religion or it's Holy books...

Please note I did say.... Holy bookS.

So obviously I AM unfamiliar with Islam... but I am familiar with google so what you are seeing is nothing more than a "cut and paste" cite of what someone else said from the internet.

Hadith is the OTHER book used by those who use islam to keep control of the poor masses. Ever hear of saudi arabia? They're all illiterate, do they cannot read the Qran for themselves. They aren't taught to read unless they are from Royal blood. If they are from Royal blood, they are taught to use those tools of depravation to provide for themselves and keep everyone else in servitude.

The other thing, is that Hadith is comparable to the commands your new testament gives you.

Are there any commands in the New Testament comparable to those in the Hadith (that you say are comparable to commands in the New Testament) where God commands people to lie?

Hadith commands Muslims to pray to Muhammed, which goes against God's will. Christians (as in Christ) are told to worship Jesus and pray to Mary and John the baptist...all mortal humans. Not to God. Is it not wrong to idolize? Why is there a statue of Christ in every church? Why do you kneel before a cross when you were commanded to not do such things? Why are there images of god in your bibles? Even a picture of a hand interpreted to be his is forbidden by God. Better look in the mirror before you go accusing others of doing wrong. Don't get down on me because I have been obeying god's word.

Again I put part of your post in bold because I'd like to point out that I did NOT accuse anyone of doing anything... I posted cites and links to what others had to say about how Islam looks at lying.

So ... Dude ... don't get down on me because you don't like what someone else said about the religion you believe in because I don't give two farts in a windstorm what you, or anyone else believes in, nor do I care if you, or anyone else, cares what I believe in............what I care about is how the members of a religion treat people... believers and nonbelievers alike.

 

[UATKP]

Really? What does his religion have to do with anything? Why does it matter whether he's a christian or a muslim or something else. I don't agree with him any more than the next guy but how can you be on this forum defending the second amendment while simultaneously attacking the first?

I'm not attacking any of his "rights". Nor am I attacking his religion... Islam isn't only a religion... it is a Political/Legal/Religious idealism whose adherents are doing everything they can to overthrow the government of the United States.
If you knew what Taqiyya is, you'd understand.
What I am attacking is the lying subterfuge that the scumbag is involved in.
I repeat: Scum of the earth! Traitor of the highest order...

 

[jcreek]

Really? What does his religion have to do with anything? Why does it matter whether he's a christian or a muslim or something else. I don't agree with him any more than the next guy but how can you be on this forum defending the second amendment while simultaneously attacking the first?

I'm not attacking any of his "rights". Nor am I attacking his religion... Islam isn't only a religion... it is a Political/Legal/Religious idealism whose adherents are doing everything they can to overthrow the government of the United States.
If you knew what Taqiyya is, you'd understand.
What I am attacking is the lying subterfuge that the scumbag is involved in.
I repeat: Scum of the earth! Traitor of the highest order...

You just claimed all people who adhere to Islam are actively trying to overthrow our government. The sheer ignorance of that statement alone tells me everything I need to know about you sir.

 

[UATKP]

You just claimed all people who adhere to Islam are actively trying to overthrow our government. The sheer ignorance of that statement alone tells me everything I need to know about you sir.

Very well, have it your way. You evidently haven't read the Koran, and you evidently find it hard to understand the written word.

 

[tricolordad]

My responses are within the postings in blue.


Again I put part of your post in bold because I'd like to point out that I did NOT accuse anyone of doing anything... I posted cites and links to what others had to say about how Islam looks at lying.

So ... Dude ... don't get down on me because you don't like what someone else said about the religion you believe in because I don't give two farts in a windstorm what you, or anyone else believes in, nor do I care if you, or anyone else, cares what I believe in............what I care about is how the members of a religion treat people... believers and nonbelievers alike.

Better take a a second look at Christianity before you make a statement like that about what you interpret as "another religion."

 

[tricolordad]

Very well, have it your way. You evidently haven't read the Koran, and you evidently find it hard to understand the written word.

Neither have you, but guess what? I HAVE and nowhere in the Qran does it say to overthrow the American govt. The Qran is almost 2000 years old, America, do the math...2013-1776=237 years old. Unlike the Bible, the Qran isn't being edited to suit the needs of a faux government (ie Vatican) that was recently headed by a Nazi and is staffed by child molesters.

 

[Andrew49417]

What does the Q'uran have to do with Fake Twitter feeds? He is a politician. The religion of politics permits you to lie for personal gain. Case closed. Duh.

 

[UATKP]

Neither have you, but guess what? I HAVE and nowhere in the Qran does it say to overthrow the American govt. The Qran is almost 2000 years old, America, do the math...2013-1776=237 years old. Unlike the Bible, the Qran isn't being edited to suit the needs of a faux government (ie Vatican) that was recently headed by a Nazi and is staffed by child molesters.

Yes, I have. I didn't say that it said in the Koran to overthrow the American Government... I said that the adherents of that religious/political/judicial system are attempting to overthrow the American government. According to recent surveys, over 80% of mosques in America teach, promote and advance jihad. It is plain to all except the Spiritually blind that that is taking place today. That's why we have legislators all around America proposing legislation that says American Law for American Courts... check it out...
I clicked on your post just to see if you had come to your senses, but I guess not. Pity. I'll keep praying for you. Meanwhile... Cya.