Obama supports renewal of AWB...

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"MR. CARNEY: He does. And I’ve said that before from the podium in the last week, that he does support renewing the assault weapons ban. I think what I’ve noted in the past, and what I noted here, is that there has been reluctance by Congress to pass that renewal...

MR. CARNEY: Well, I’m not going to grade possibilities here. I think the President believes that we should -- with Congress where possible, but administratively where allowed -- take measures that enhance security by making it harder for those who should not have these weapons under existing law from obtaining them, but also protect our Second Amendment rights. And he’ll continue to do that.

So an executive order to reinstate the AWB is not out of the question.

For the full transcript of the news conference following the shooting at the Sikh temple from which this quote was taken, go to Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 8/6/2012 | The White House
 
Could he actually do that though? I don't think an Executive Order could be crafted that could ban all "assault weapons" frankly as it would have no legislative backing.
 
Could he actually do that though? I don't think an Executive Order could be crafted that could ban all "assault weapons" frankly as it would have no legislative backing.

Why would he care about legislative backing. If that branch of the government gets in his way he'll just go around it with executive orders. He may wait until after the election when he will have more flexibility.
 
Obama is setting up a socialist dictatorship. He has stated that if congress doesn't do what he wants he will go around congress. He ignores the courts until he is able to pack them with his people. Holder has politicized the Justice to the extent that selective enforcement of the law is the norm. He is in the process of destroying the military. They have turned the FBI and the BATF into their secret police. I can think of no other description for what is happening to this country than dictatorship.
 
Could he actually do that though? I don't think an Executive Order could be crafted that could ban all "assault weapons" frankly as it would have no legislative backing.

That is the point of an EO - it doesn't require congressional support. And it stays in force until it is set aside by congress or SCOTUS. Given what an EO is intended to do, it would seem that unilateral reinstatement of the AWB should be outside the parameters of an EO. But I wouldn't put it past the Pres. to try it.
 
That is the point of an EO - it doesn't require congressional support. And it stays in force until it is set aside by congress or SCOTUS. Given what an EO is intended to do, it would seem that unilateral reinstatement of the AWB should be outside the parameters of an EO. But I wouldn't put it past the Pres. to try it.

That's what I'm saying... An EO requires some sort of law to start from. Without that law however I don't see how any EO could ban categories of firearms.
 
if the police refuse to enforce it an EO banning "assault weapons" wouldn't be worth the paper it's printed on
 
That's what I'm saying... An EO requires some sort of law to start from. Without that law however I don't see how any EO could ban categories of firearms.

The only laws required for an executive order are those that grant the president his authority in the first place. Although the Constitution makes no provision for EO's, there is a vague notion of "executive power" in Article II, Sec. 1, Article 1 that has formed the basis for EO's.

Here is how it is explained on About.com:

"A presidential executive order (EO) is a directive issued to federal agencies, department heads, or other federal employees (bolding added) by the President of the United States under his statutory or constitutional powers.

In many ways, presidential executive orders are similar to written orders, or instructions issued by the president of a corporation to its department heads or directors...

Presidents typically issue executive orders for one of these purposes:

1. Operational management of the executive branch
2. Operational management of federal agencies or officials
3. To carry out statutory or constitutional presidential responsibilities"

They become law after 30 days.

They are intended to change the way the government/federal agencies does things (but not to enact laws - the President doesn't have Constitutional authority to do that; that is left to the legislature), so in that respect, it is difficult to see how the president could unilaterally use an EO to reinstate the AWB. However, once the president has issued an EO, the only way that it can be vacated is if congress passes a law specifically setting it aside and then has the votes to override the presidential veto that is certain to come, or if SCOTUS declares it to be unConstitutional and vacates it; that has only happened twice in our history (FDR used an EO to make stockpiling of gold by persons or companies a crime; it was never set aside.). In the meantime, the EO remains in force until one of those two things take place.

This is where things get tricky. Carney said, "...administratively where allowed..." Teddy Roosevelt believed in the "Stewardship Theory" of the Constitution - just as Obama does. This theory states that the President is the only person in the government that can see the whole picture, and so, "he has the authority to act for the national good. This means that the president can do anything in the public interest except what is explicitly forbidden in the Constitution" (Link Removed). So if the White House Counsel is able to find some way to interpret the Constitution as giving the president the power to use an EO to enact a law, "...for the national good...", we know from past experience that he will run with it. And since an election is coming up, he will count on the fact that congress will be too busy trying to get re-elected to put any time into stopping him, and it could take years before SCOTUS gets the case. So in the meantime, the ban would go back into effect. He has already made the argument that the AWB is in the national interest.
 
Obama is setting up a socialist dictatorship. He has stated that if congress doesn't do what he wants he will go around congress. He ignores the courts until he is able to pack them with his people. Holder has politicized the Justice to the extent that selective enforcement of the law is the norm. He is in the process of destroying the military. They have turned the FBI and the BATF into their secret police. I can think of no other description for what is happening to this country than dictatorship.

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I'm in the process of getting away from the gubment, seperating soon... I don't want to have to go AWOL to get away from being ordered to patrol the streets confiscating firearms. My morals & ethics won't allow me to disarm good people... I just can't.

I take my orders from our Natural Rights(if you're a believer, god) and the U.S. Constitution... not Obama.

Long live the Republic! When that day comes, I hope to be standing next to some good company... maybe even some of you.

Despite some of our differing opinions here, we are all pretty much fighting for the same goal.
 
Why would he care about legislative backing. If that branch of the government gets in his way he'll just go around it with executive orders. He may wait until after the election when he will have more flexibility.
Although I wish this were "laughable," if you think things are bad now, if he's re-elected the word dictator comes to mind.
 
So in other words...if the president can rationalize an argument in his head that makes sense to him, then he could possibly take away every constitutional right we have? How about a ban on Christianity or the right to disagree with the president. Kind of a scary thought isn't it?
 
So in other words...if the president can rationalize an argument in his head that makes sense to him, then he could possibly take away every constitutional right we have? How about a ban on Christianity or the right to disagree with the president. Kind of a scary thought isn't it?

No, that isn't supposed to be possible. The stewardship theory says that he can do things that he believes to be in the best interest of the country as long as it isn't explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights lays out the freedoms that HE MAY NOT TOUCH!!! They are explicitly protected, explicitly reserved to the People, which means that infringement is expressly forbidden. Strictly speaking. We can see how much attention he pays to that.
 

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