Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order

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Obama Administration Trying to
Grab Guns Through Executive Order

Tell HHS their new regs are crazy​

“Gun Owners of America [has] spent the months since Newtown doing tremendous damage, insisting that expanded background checks will lead to a gun registry.” - New York Times, April 4, 2013
It’s quite a complement when the New York Times thinks that you are doing “tremendous damage.” But you can be sure that the other side is not going to go away quietly.
And sure enough, the Obama Administration is trying to unilaterally undo our recent victory in the Senate - and to undo the “damage” that all of us inflicted together.
But first, a little history.
Remember when Senators Pat Toomey, Joe Manchin and Chuck Schumer formed an unholy alliance during the recent gun battle on Capitol Hill? Remember how their amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?
And you remember how we stopped that provision, because over 40 senators found it to be odious and a violation of the Second Amendment?
Well, guess what? Barack Obama has just concluded that "he don't need no stinkin’ Senate."
Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI.
Understand a couple of things: First, the standard which your doctor would use to turn you in is embodied in Clinton-era ATF language and in the anti-gun Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007. Specifically, you doctor would "drop a dime" on you if he suspected you were even a slight "danger to yourself of others" or were "unable to manage your financial affairs."
So if they say you can't balance your checkbook, then you lose your constitutional rights.
But there's another problem: The day these regulations become law, lawyers will be lining up to sue "deep-pocket" psychiatrists for every case where they failed to turn in a patient to NICS - if the patient subsequently engages in a horrific act.
The bottom line? Any psychiatrist who failed to report all of his patients to the NICS system risks losing everything if any of them engages in harmful conduct. Soon the rule of thumb will be: See a shrink; lose your guns.
And the regulations will apply to private, as well as government-employed psychiatrists.
The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era.
Sadly, what happened to military veterans has now begun in the private sector - especially in places like New York, after they recently passed their misnamed SAFE Act.
According to gun rights reporter, Dan Roberts, firearms are now being confiscated from gun owners because of their mental health information. For example:
“[John Doe] received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history.”
So now taking anxiety pills can result in one’s forfeiting their Second Amendment rights in New York!
This is where the gun haters want to push their agenda. And this is one reason why background checks are so dangerous - because they give government bureaucrats the opportunity to deny law-abiding people their constitutionally-protected rights.
But the good news is this: The HHS rulemaking is still at an early stage, and HHS is (no doubt reluctantly) taking the views of the general public.
ACTION: Go to the Federal Register - at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04-23/pdf/2013-09602.pdf - and respond to the regs entitled “HIPAA Privacy Rule and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).”
Let the HHS know how you feel about waiving all federal privacy laws for people who seek counseling.

You may submit your comments at www.regulations.gov​

Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the “see a shrink, lose your guns” regs issued by the HHS. Ask him to issue his own comments as well.
The regs themselves lay out several ways that you may submit your opposition. The comment period ends on June 7, 2013.

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[dustoffuh1]

I DESPISE that "man". He whines & b*tches and cries like a little school girl when he doesn't get his way. He was SO upset when the bill got struck down. I didn't see that anger and resentment when he spoke of the Boston bombings. In fact he initially refused to call it terror. The man makes me sick.......

 

[jabatam]

"The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era."

False...the VA has actually defied un-Constitutional state laws requiring mental health records to be handed over in the name of "gun safety." Maybe those seeking help through private psychiatrists but, so far, the VA is doing right by veterans

 

[rifleshooter474]

"The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era."

False...the VA has actually defied un-Constitutional state laws requiring mental health records to be handed over in the name of "gun safety." Maybe those seeking help through private psychiatrists but, so far, the VA is doing right by veterans

Not long ago I read in this forum where a veteran had called the VA suicide help hot line, the first thing he was asked after getting his name and address was if he owned any firearms he answered yes. Within 15 minuets a Sheriff Deputy was at his home and removed all his firearms. Just what I remember reading.

 

[wolf_fire]

There are 21 Democrats and 14 Republicans up for election in 2014, to serve from 2015 to 2021. Currently, there are 53 Dems, 45 Reps, and 2 Ind in the Senate.

Our vote matters. Yes, Obama is going to do all he can do to destroy our Constitutional rights. However, our voice is in the people we elect and being on them constantly to do OUR bidding. At this juncture we cannot just sit back and sing the praises of two bills that went down. We need to vote for those who will protect our 2A rights.

Many politicians and economists realize that this healthcare act won't last... it cannot last. It is impossible to keep funded. Fight the good fight, and persevere until this loon is out of office.

 

[mojoman]

There are 21 Democrats and 14 Republicans up for election in 2014, to serve from 2015 to 2021. Currently, there are 53 Dems, 45 Reps, and 2 Ind in the Senate.

Our vote matters. Yes, Obama is going to do all he can do to destroy our Constitutional rights. However, our voice is in the people we elect and being on them constantly to do OUR bidding. At this juncture we cannot just sit back and sing the praises of two bills that went down. We need to vote for those who will protect our 2A rights.

Many politicians and economists realize that this healthcare act won't last... it cannot last. It is impossible to keep funded. Fight the good fight, and persevere until this loon is out of office.

Amen brother I agree with this because we all know that he and others have agenda.

 

[fuhr52]

Obama is mad because the gun bill was suppose to pass the senate and fail in the house. That way he could paint the republicans as not caring about the safety of children. His democrats let hi down and foiled his plans. In my opinion if we want to keep our elected representatives accountable to us we must change them often. Stop voting for incumbents.

 

[S&W645]

Obama is made because the gun bill was suppose to pass the senate and fail in the house. That way he could paint the republicans as not caring about the safety of children. His democrats let hi down and foiled his plans. In my opinion if we want to keep our elected representatives accountable to us we must change them often. Stop voting for incumbents.

Politicians are like dirty diapers. Both stink and need changed often.

 

[schadenfreude]

I DESPISE that "man". He whines & b*tches and cries like a little school girl when he doesn't get his way. He was SO upset when the bill got struck down. I didn't see that anger and resentment when he spoke of the Boston bombings. In fact he initially refused to call it terror. The man makes me sick.......

I detest him, too, but it makes me grin to see him pout and whine.

 

[Nightmare45]

If you understand the constitution which the POS Islamic POS does not, executive orders apply only to the executive branch, Harvard I have lost all respect for you, you trained this commie POS and he graduated without reading the constitution.

 

[Nightmare45]

Total wining little girl, have a stroke ass hole.

 

[fuhr52]

If you understand the constitution which the POS Islamic POS does not, executive orders apply only to the executive branch, Harvard I have lost all respect for you, you trained this commie POS and he graduated without reading the constitution.

Don't kid yourself. Obama knows the Constitution and he doesn't like it one bit. He knows he won't be questioned by the main stream media and the low information voters don't care what he does. Just keep those benny's coming. Not easy to defeat Santa Clause.

 

[kerb]

The part that cracks me up is where people who are "unable to manage their financial affairs" have their guns taken away.

Wouldn't that prelude the government from owning firearms?

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[r1derbike]

The part that cracks me up is where people who are "unable to manage their financial affairs" have their guns taken away.

Wouldn't that prelude the government from owning firearms?

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Hah-Hah! Bingo! Government, turn 'em all in! We have the votes, and may now say, Mr. and Mrs. American government, turn 'em all in"! Hah-hah!

 

[dogshawred]

Who is the Grumpest, You vote.

I detest him, too, but it makes me grin to see him pout and whine.

Then this should tickle the $hit out of you. :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:
Grumpy is his normal state of mind and contagious.
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Seeing this just makes you want to smile. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[jabatam]

There's a big difference between an amateur on a hotline and a doctor at a VA medical center. I know the incident you're referring to...I was severely pissed about it myself. However, that is NOT the norm or you would have heard about more than one instance

 

[dustoffuh1]

Then this should tickle the $hit out of you. :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:
Grumpy is his normal state of mind and contagious.
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Seeing this just makes you want to smile. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thats friggen hillarious!!! Thanks for a nice Monday morning laugh!

 

[Rhino]

"The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era."

False...the VA has actually defied un-Constitutional state laws requiring mental health records to be handed over in the name of "gun safety." Maybe those seeking help through private psychiatrists but, so far, the VA is doing right by veterans

It's actually gotten to the point that I read these GOA releases for the entertainment value alone. They've gotten to the point that they rival the National Enquirer. There was no Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007. That's just a name some people used in an attempt to sensationalize the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 into something it wasn't. But that act had nothing to do with veterans. The word "veteran" doesn't even appear in it. It did not change the definition or classification of how anyone would be classified as mentally incompetent. It instead referred specifically to the previously existing definition in 922(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code. You can read it yourself at Text of H.R. 2640 (110th): NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill version) - GovTrack.us if you want. The NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 was passed only because many states weren't reporting all information that they should be into the NICS instant check system. Those states for the most part weren't reporting due to a lack of infrastructure or reporting systems, and this act was passed specifically to provide funding to build and require the use of those systems. It had nothing whatsoever to do with veterans or PTSD, but that didn't stop many people from sensationalizing the issue and using it to pull the wool over the eyes of a whole bunch of gullible people who were too ignorant to know the truth or too lazy to look for it themselves. Ron Paul exploited it to rally supporters and gain donations, and GOA did the same. Apparently they still are. I like the GOA because they support the 2nd amendment, but I don't like their tactics. It saddens me that a pro-2nd amendment organization would resort to such sensationalist practices that are far more common among those who are antigunners.

 

[schadenfreude]

Then this should tickle the $hit out of you. :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:
Grumpy is his normal state of mind and contagious.
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Seeing this just makes you want to smile. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Oh gawd! That is simply hilarious! "Walter" is my favorite of all of Dunham's characters. Perfect.

 

[UATKP]

I DESPISE that "man". He whines & b*tches and cries like a little school girl when he doesn't get his way. He was SO upset when the bill got struck down. I didn't see that anger and resentment when he spoke of the Boston bombings. In fact he initially refused to call it terror. The man makes me sick.......

I liked your post, except that I believe you mis-named him. He wouldn't make a pimple on a real "man's" b-u-t-t.