Obama Administration Takes Aim At Gun Rights Revolt


It was just a matter of time before the Feds stepped in and called the new state laws concerning guns manufactured within the state being out of federal jurisdiction illegal.

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Ektarr

Dedicated Infidel
"because the act conflicts with federal firearms laws and regulations, federal law supersedes the act."

Well, then, I would assume the reverse is also true...that laws which conflict with Federally recognized Rights such as the 2nd Amendment are ALSO illegal!! You can't have it both ways, Gentlemen!!
 
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Well, then, I would assume the reverse is also true...that laws which conflict with Federally recognized Rights such as the 2nd Amendment are ALSO illegal!! You can't have it both ways, Gentlemen!!

That's exactly right, and the Gov't should be called on it each and every time they try to side-step with their own BS.
 

DougG

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From what I got, BATIF is taking there approach to the gund dealers because they are Federally liceinced and therefore have to dance to their tune or be shut down. Maybe the states should come up with there own liceince to combat this.
 

Wolfling68

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The idea behind the laws in the first place was to create this situation. They are looking (the last time I checked) for a person to get charged, so they can pursue the case through the courts. The states want to fast track this case to the Supreme Court.
 

Cooter

Liberty or Death
That is what I understand as well Wolfling. This is exactly the response expected and planned for. The fat is in the fire, and we will see court battles yet to come.

I wonder if the BATF goons have heard of the 10th amendment. The powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People or something like that. I have not read anywhere in our Constitution where it gives the power to the Federal Government to regulate our firearms. Oh wait, there is that one amendment that obviously states that they CANNOT INFRINGE our right to own and carry firearms. Maybe they should read that one too.
 

HK4U

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That is what I understand as well Wolfling. This is exactly the response expected and planned for. The fat is in the fire, and we will see court battles yet to come.

I wonder if the BATF goons have heard of the 10th amendment. The powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People or something like that. I have not read anywhere in our Constitution where it gives the power to the Federal Government to regulate our firearms. Oh wait, there is that one amendment that obviously states that they CANNOT INFRINGE our right to own and carry firearms. Maybe they should read that one too.

I am sure they have heard of it as well as the rest of the Constitution. They just don't care much for it.
 
The thing to watch for here is, even if the states win, the Feds can say "Alright we can't touch weapons made within the state, however, any firearm transported across state line must be done with a federal firearms license." It's unlikely that things will get that far but it is a possibility.
 

Sheldon

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Those powers not specifically given to the federal government belong to the states, the national CCW died in part due to the rights of the states to regulate their own jurisdiction, and any federal law would have been a blatant attempt to supersede those rights, so now they are saying that the states do not have those rights that they fought to defend so shortly ago....

UG government speak with forked tounge....
 

Bohemian

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Those powers not specifically given to the federal government belong to the states, the national CCW died in part due to the rights of the states to regulate their own jurisdiction, and any federal law would have been a blatant attempt to supersede those rights, so now they are saying that the states do not have those rights that they fought to defend so shortly ago....

UG government speak with forked tounge....

The Tenth Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

A quick review of what that means...

The Second Amendment ALREADY prohibits the Fed or the States or any other municipality from Infringement of the unalienable pre-existing right to keep and bear arms...

The right to bear arms is not constrained to open or concealed carry, or that you do not have the inherent right to defend your life, or that of your friends, family, neighbors, fellow citizens, etc., by any means necessary, be it a pair of clubs with a chain between them or a bazooka, any place, any time; but thus far most of the states have usurped power to say it is...

The post-reconstruction 14th Amendment gave the fed the right to intervene and make things equal when laws were enacted between states that were radically different from one another...
Basically rights and or privileges by zip code...

That being said, I see the nationwide ccw reciprocity initiative as a 14th amendment way to make things equal between the states...
the one that sadly recently failed; while not perfect, it would have been a vast improvement on the way things are today, interstate CCW wise...

Much of what is in the reconstruction and post-reconstruction amendments are in direct contradiction to the Constitution as it was written and intended by our founding fathers, and in my view began the intentional ambiguity of the Constitution by Congress and the Supreme Court...

It is further my opinion, that more weight must be given to the first 12 Amendments and the Declaration of Independence, and related documents actually authored by our founding fathers then most of those following for that very reason...

E.G.: Constitutional "Commerce Clause" Abuse by Congress and the Supreme Court during and since reconstruction...

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789
 

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