nullify unconstitutional federal gun laws in SC

Should federal laws infringing on 2A be null and void on SC territory?

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Hopefully, there is a thread about this somewhere here already, which i can't find.

I see several states have legislation now to nullify unconstitutional federal gun laws on their territory:
Missouri joins other states in attempt to nullify federal gun laws

Does or did the SC legislature have such bills? If not, maybe we should contact them, and have them join this movement?
 
who would agree to unconstitutional federal laws?

Ummm, who would agree to accept un-Constitutional Federal laws??? :confused:
Sheeple of Sheepl's Republics of CT, NY, MA, CA, HI, MD, DE, NJ, DC, RI, probably others in particular.

Really most of the sheeple of the USA did when Reagan signed the "Firearm Owners Protection Act" in 1986. That's really when current production "Militia" firearms became illegal for US civilians to own, and left us with antique pre-1986 militia firearms and semi-automatic replicas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Machine_Gun_Ban
 
Wouldn't it be more effective (and less grand standing) for the states to fund a judicial challenge any federal laws they think are unconstitutional.

Let's say you live in a state where the legislature passes a law declaring a certain federal law unconstitutional. The governor signs it.

Now what? You going to violate the federal law and think you won't be prosecuted?

Screw the gun laws, if the states can insulate people from federal law by declaring them unconstitutional start with the Internal Revenue Law. Then we can all afford to by more guns.

At least until we are charged, convicted, and sentenced for tax evasion.
 
Shouldn't have to nullify them in the first place.

16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:


The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.


Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.....


A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the lend, it is superseded thereby.


No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

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SC Supreme Court?

Shouldn't have to nullify them in the first place.
So, then perhaps what we have to do is to get the SC Supreme Court to rule which federal firearm laws they consider to be constitutional and valid in SC, and which they don't?

That way SC law enforcement would have clarity which federal laws they have to enforce, and declare - as some other state tried - that federal agents can't enforce federal gun laws on their territory.

US Supreme Court seems to turn a blind eye on most 2A infringements, maybe because they are federal appointees, and part of the federal government, which creates those laws.
 
US Supreme Court seems to turn a blind eye on most 2A infringements, maybe because they are federal appointees, and part of the federal government, which creates those laws.

Or maybe because contrary to your personal opinion, they aren't violations of the 2A.
 
Yes---- SC has already passed such legislation that says SC reserves it's right to sovereignty over any federal laws deemed unconstitutional. If I'm not mistaken, SC has already ratified it's state constitution as a result. (It's been a few years so you'll have to go find the info yourself because I no longer have the links.)

SC is also the first state to move forward in efforts to ban Obamacare and seek exemptions for all it's citizens that desire it.

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Wouldn't it be more effective (and less grand standing) for the states to fund a judicial challenge any federal laws they think are unconstitutional.

Let's say you live in a state where the legislature passes a law declaring a certain federal law unconstitutional. The governor signs it.

Now what? You going to violate the federal law and think you won't be prosecuted?

Screw the gun laws, if the states can insulate people from federal law by declaring them unconstitutional start with the Internal Revenue Law. Then we can all afford to by more guns.

At least until we are charged, convicted, and sentenced for tax evasion.

And if the states declare the Internal Revenue Law unconstitutional then the jack booted thugs who are enforcing Obamacare will be left out in the cold too. Sounds like a win-win-win situation.
 
Sheeple of Sheepl's Republics of CT, NY, MA, CA, HI, MD, DE, NJ, DC, RI, probably others in particular.

Really most of the sheeple of the USA did when Reagan signed the "Firearm Owners Protection Act" in 1986. That's really when current production "Militia" firearms became illegal for US civilians to own, and left us with antique pre-1986 militia firearms and semi-automatic replicas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Machine_Gun_Ban

OK, agreed, but maybe it's how you phrased the question. "Who would agree to unconstitutional laws?". If you went up to the average liberal and said, "we have this law and it is unconstitutional, will you agree to it", I think most would go, "NO".

Maybe, I'm naive. However, the liberals that have voted in unconstitutional laws were never shown the unconstitutionality of them, and are either too lazy or stupid to check for themselves.
 
we must stand up to all the democrapic bullmudd they keep slinging in our faces, especially when it comes to the 2nd amenndment specifically and the constitution in general. we can do that and the first step is to get rid of all the libturds who do nothing more than stroke their inflated egos in November.
 
Like Nevada got rid of Reid or California got rid of Pelosi...Trouble is there more people voting for a living than working for a living!

We would have better luck with succession from the United States.
 
astroturf is everywhere

Or maybe because contrary to your personal opinion, they aren't violations of the 2A.
Or maybe their opinions are so skewed by political considerations and protection of the status quo police state, that they can rationalize any law as constitutional.

They've allowed a parallel secret courts system, which follows secret laws to issue secret rulings to exist for 35 years now, right here in “the land of the free”.

They preside in a city that used local laws to completely eliminate the 2A right for most of its inhabitants for a long time, and it's not the only such city in the US, as we know.

To propose that most of the current gun laws might somehow be constitutional and not violate the 2A is to completely abandon one's common sense.
 
so close and yet so far

OK, agreed, but maybe it's how you phrased the question. "Who would agree to unconstitutional laws?". If you went up to the average liberal and said, "we have this law and it is unconstitutional, will you agree to it", I think most would go, "NO".

Maybe, I'm naive. However, the liberals that have voted in unconstitutional laws were never shown the unconstitutionality of them, and are either too lazy or stupid to check for themselves.
I think the average liberal knows perfectly well that these laws are unconstitutional, but they want to make guns illegal anyway, and the 2A inconveniently stands in the way, especially because it's so amazingly close to the 1A!

So, of course, they would agree to any laws that accomplish their goal, and rationalize them away as somehow valid, constitutional, and vitally necessary.
 
Wouldn't it be more effective (and less grand standing) for the states to fund a judicial challenge any federal laws they think are unconstitutional.

Let's say you live in a state where the legislature passes a law declaring a certain federal law unconstitutional. The governor signs it.

Now what? You going to violate the federal law and think you won't be prosecuted?

Screw the gun laws, if the states can insulate people from federal law by declaring them unconstitutional start with the Internal Revenue Law. Then we can all afford to by more guns.

At least until we are charged, convicted, and sentenced for tax evasion.

Good points,but I don't believe the States can supersede Fed laws though.
 
Do you believe this as principle or because of history showing such a thing? Just curious, not arguing... I want to know your context.[/QUOTE

I believe in States Rights. The Fed seems to do what it wants though. Executive orders etc. that supersede the Constitution.
 

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