Northern Border Agent Pulls Gun on Boy Scouts
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Peggy Reist
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I can see why they don't want people taking pictures of them not doing their jobs, but really? Boy Scouts? And it's NOT illegal for them to take pictures of them. Nor do I see anywhere that the agent was arrested or detained. Why is that?
If anyone want to know if our country is heading in the right direction....it's not.
If anyone want to know if our country is heading in the right direction....it's not.
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
Yup, no question about it.
Here Are Just A "Few" Reasons Why We're Not Coming Back.
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In summary, we are a people who have become desensitized to sin, and in the process, we have forgotten how to blush.
~ God Will Bless America When America Blesses God ~
Email I sent to Mr. Vonderheid at c:[email protected] :
Mr. Vonderheid,
My interest was piqued when I read your statement in the following news story:
http://www.kcci.com/news/officer-points-gun-at-boy-scout-at-canadian-border/27078396#!bkn8Pd
The quote that I am referring to is:
Charles Vonderheid with the Mid-Iowa Council Boy Scouts of America said Troop 11 learned a valuable lesson.
“We want to make sure they follow the rules. A Scout is a good citizen. It would be a great lesson in civics for that young man and that troop,” he said.
I am very interested to know what valuable lesson that you believe the Boy Scouts learned from this incident? It almost sounds as if you think it was a valuable lesson for the boys to learn that it is perfectly acceptable for law enforcement officials to threaten unarmed citizens with a deadly weapon for the mere act of taking a photograph. Would that sum up your opinion, or did I read that wrong in the context in which it was printed?
Thank you for your time and any clarification that you might offer,
Very Respectfully,
John H...
Mr. Vonderheid,
My interest was piqued when I read your statement in the following news story:
http://www.kcci.com/news/officer-points-gun-at-boy-scout-at-canadian-border/27078396#!bkn8Pd
The quote that I am referring to is:
Charles Vonderheid with the Mid-Iowa Council Boy Scouts of America said Troop 11 learned a valuable lesson.
“We want to make sure they follow the rules. A Scout is a good citizen. It would be a great lesson in civics for that young man and that troop,” he said.
I am very interested to know what valuable lesson that you believe the Boy Scouts learned from this incident? It almost sounds as if you think it was a valuable lesson for the boys to learn that it is perfectly acceptable for law enforcement officials to threaten unarmed citizens with a deadly weapon for the mere act of taking a photograph. Would that sum up your opinion, or did I read that wrong in the context in which it was printed?
Thank you for your time and any clarification that you might offer,
Very Respectfully,
John H...
A search? For what? Knives that had too long a blade? Improper knots tied to resemble a hangmans noose? I believe we are going to be hearing about more and more of these types of incidents as the National Guard is deployed along the border. We need them there, yes but we need them to be responsible at the same time.
I would not call Vonderheid a leader. This is the response I got to my email:
John
First, thank you for your passion related to the safety of the youth in our program.
Second, As I told the reporter I was not aware of the incident and therefore could not comment on it, but I would be happy to talk about the great charter building program that Scouting is and how taking a trip like this is a great way to build character. I am sorry you were misled by the piece that aired. The safety of youth and the quality of program is our number one concern.
Finally, if you would like to discuss this further you can reach me on my cell at 515-802-8475.
[FONT="]Charles Vonderheid [/FONT][FONT="]|[/FONT][FONT="] Director of Field Service[/FONT][FONT="]
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
So are you going to call him?
I got this reply from his boss, Robert Hopper:
Mr. H....,
You have seen the news story concerning Troop 111’s recent trip to Alaska and an incident that occurred as they were crossing the border from Canada into that state. Unfortunately, the story has created significant misunderstanding as comments made by Charles Vonderheid, our council’s Director of Field Service were misrepresented. Indeed, every time I speak to a news reporter I wonder, “How will I be portrayed?”
I couldn’t agree more that the actions taken by Customs & Border Patrol, as described by Jim Fox, Troop 111’s Scoutmaster, were extreme. What harm was made by a Scout taking a photograph? It sure doesn’t seem like much.
A seconds long “sound bite” on the news can lead to misunderstanding – this one certainly did. Jim is to be congratulated for a great trip. In every way Troop 111’s Alaska adventure was a huge success and we’re glad they’re home.
Bob
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I'm having a hard time understanding what either one of them are trying to say. It wasn't Troop 111's leader who said anything wrong (that I've heard), it was clearly the "seconds-long soundbite" by Vonderheid that supposedly "created significant misunderstanding" because again, supposedly, Vonderheid's words were "misrepresented."
Sorry if I seemed short in asking if you were going to call Vonderheid. I'm in the last couple weeks of a 12-week treatment for which the side-effects get more intense as the days drag by. I've been sick as a dog for the last three weeks. I really was just curious if you were going to call, and I'll add to that that I think you'd be a good candidate to do it. Much better than I could do right now, that's for sure. I'd really like to know what all this "misrepresentation" is about. Is he saying he made a comment about a specific incident to media before knowing any of the specifics of the incident? If so, he's a bigger idiot than the media "misrepresented" him to be!
Blues
A Congressional Investigation would be the about the best/easiest route. All the boy scout parents and scout leaders involved need to write their congress representatives and ask them what the heck is going on that we have border patrol agents pointing guns at boy scouts for taking a photo that would be pretty normal for an uniformed tourist to take to document their trip. A lot of times we (the Navy) has to answer to some senator or representative why a Sailor was promised they would be an elecrician in the Navy by a recruiter and they ended up being a mechanic.
Deanimator
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I disagree. There is quite literally NOTHING that a Federal employee can do to an innocent citizen these days which will cause him any permanent harm. They could have SHOT the kid and Holder's DoJ would drag their feet for YEARS, avoiding a real investigation at ALL cost. They didn't care what happened to a Border Patrol agent. You think they care about Boy Scouts?
The only thing these curs will understand is 1983 suits... or eventually worse.
mappow
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It's a shame too. If this act was to go viral in the media then there would be action taken against this agent. (The masses wanting justice) Where as there seems to be NO PROTECTION for the citizen he individual, from a federal agent. Isn't this what we're supposed to be protected from? Isn't that what this country was founded on? The right of the individual verses the King and his men.
