No Morality Without Jesus and Law

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In another thread on here, the question of morals is being bantered about by atheists. Thought this article might help settle the question.



No Morality Without the Transcendent Foundation of Jesus and His Law
By Randy Pope | Submitted On December 12, 2009


In the Rich Christiansen film The Time Changers the story is told of the Christian college professor of the 19th century who writes a book encouraging morality in society apart from the law of God and Jesus Christ. This character is then transported through time to the present, where he encounters the society that tried this formula. To his horror, the morals of churchmen have degenerated to a level barely above that of the world. This is the logical conclusion when you build your house on a weak foundation.

It is bad enough that the teenage girls show up at church in revealing dresses, and high-cut skirts or, worse yet, low-cut jeans and high-cut tee shirts. It is much too common to see ladies in the worship team in churches around the country who pay no attention to the modesty of their dress. Listen to the fellowship before and after church and you are more likely to hear conversation about less than edifying TV shows or movies, than you are to hear an uplifting debate over scriptural interpretations or theological issues. But of course our churchmen today are standing against school shootings, homosexuality, and abortion. These are the really depraved activities in the 21st century.
Remember the story of the frog in a pot of water sitting on a hot stove. At first he is cool sitting in the pot of water, but as it begins to heat up he becomes more and more comfortable until he lies back to enjoy warmth. Eventually he falls asleep and is boiled to death. This is a picture of what has happened to morality in American society. Little by little perversion of the law of God became acceptable, until today even churchmen reject the transcendent standards of God's law, becoming more and more antinomian (against the law).

When you reject the law of God as the standard for practice in your own life and society at large you have rejected The Rock. The house that was built upon the rock in Matthew Chapter 7 stood firm when the winds and rain came. A moral system built upon a solid foundation will withstand troublesome times. Troublesome times are sure to come. If you remember that story, the fool who built his house on shifting sand lost his house to the wind and the rain. By building your moral system on the shifting sands of man's sense of right and wrong you have guaranteed the destruction of your society. Morality built on a shifting foundation is inevitably overrun by the waves of man's autonomy.
Eliminating Jesus and His law as the foundation for an ordered society you have left the door wide open for the supremacy of man. It is the natural state of man to want to replace God, this was the allurement in the garden after all. Unfortunately even Christians are not immune from this allure. As a result of the churches' willingness to allow society to build its moral system apart from Jesus, even churchmen are susceptible to destruction caused by the shifting sands.
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No Morality Without the Transcendent Foundation of Jesus and His Law
 
(Luke 12:56)​

Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don't know how to interpret this present time?
(2 Timothy 3)​

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power".


As Christians we should only be concerned if we witness things getting better, not worse.
 
OG, you also realize the ISIS uses belief in their god and the koran to justify their moral behavior, Right? If I were a christian I wouldn't be too eager to associate my morality with those of gods that see slavery, murder, wars, and other atrocities as moral. You would be a better person if your rose above such nonsense.

But clearly you would have to discard some of your moral hate you extract from your bible. Denying happiness to an entire segment of the population is the moral thing to do, right?
 
OG, you also realize the ISIS uses belief in their god and the koran to justify their moral behavior, Right? If I were a christian I wouldn't be too eager to associate my morality with those of gods that see slavery, murder, wars, and other atrocities as moral. You would be a better person if your rose above such nonsense.

But clearly you would have to discard some of your moral hate you extract from your bible. Denying happiness to an entire segment of the population is the moral thing to do, right?[/QUOTE]

XD: That is one of the differences between you and me, I have a set of principles I live by which are delineated by the Bible. Immorality is not something theists condone (although, to be truthful, some do partake of) and will not sit idly by and let those who practice it force tolerance of it on us. We hate the sin, not the sinner, but that doesn't sit well with your argument. Murder is one of the prohibitions placed upon us by God. If someone enjoys killing, are we all supposed to accept that simply as his right and not an offence towards us all? Are we to ignore that and not hate the sin? I think not. If, in your moral (?) code, you condone such activities, haven't you just violated the moral code of the masses? Aren't you being the intolerant one in trying to force acceptance of your thoughts on us against our societal norms? After all, it is the person who disbelieves, in the face of strong evidence supporting Christianity, who is really intolerant and close-minded?

I also realize that the Muslims use their belief in their religion to justify wanton killing and they have little regard for anyone else. Contrary to their assertions, theirs is not a religion of peace and their actions prove such. They seem to believe Allah condones their actions while, at the same time, try to liken him to our God, who does not condone such. Unfortunately, the atrocities they commit are not really considered moral by the majority of Muslims but ,those who remain quiet, do such in fear of their lives if they say anything to rile their leadership. There is a difference, don't you think?

I read a little blurb one day that said: "I don't want a church that changes with the world. I want a church that changes the world!" I consider myself to be a member of the latter, trying to save our world from the evils that are overtaking us. I am only one voice among many, but together we may be able to draw people back to God while there is still time for the salvation of their souls. You might consider that thought to be hilarious but, to each his own.
 
I read a little blurb one day that said: "I don't want a church that changes with the world. I want a church that changes the world!" I consider myself to be a member of the latter, trying to save our world from the evils that are overtaking us. [/QUOTE]

Actually such a house of worship exists, they are called mosques.

Now I have a few simple questions;

#1 - do muslims believe in the god allah?
#2 - do you believe that their god, allah exists?
 
I read a little blurb one day that said: "I don't want a church that changes with the world. I want a church that changes the world!" I consider myself to be a member of the latter, trying to save our world from the evils that are overtaking us.

Actually such a house of worship exists, they are called mosques.

Now I have a few simple questions;

#1 - do muslims believe in the god allah?
#2 - do you believe that their god, allah exists?[/QUOTE]

I can't say who the Muslims believe in. I don't know if their Allah is the same God we believe in. If you want to go back in history, there is a lot similarities between Judaism and Islam but I can't say definitively who they believe in. I don't feel that a mosque is the answer you are trying to proffer but, to each his own.
 
Alright, let's not get hung up on names.

#1 - Do you think Muslims praying in a mosque or homes believe in a supernatural being, deity or god? Yes or No
#2 - If so, do you believe that the supernatural being, deity or god they believe in and/or pray to exists? Yes or No


This isn't about debating history but what you think right now.
 
OK, I see what you are trying to do so here we go. Yes, I believe that Muslims believe in a god, Allah. As for their deity existing, I can't say yes neither can I say no. I know my God exists. If He is the same God they pray to, yes he exists. If He isn't the same, I would say no. However, they seem to follow their prophet, Mohammed, more so than God or Allah so I am inclined to say no. I do believe that our God of the Bible is available to them just as anyone else but neither I, nor you, can be very specific in saying if who they pray to exists. If it isn't the God of the Bible, not some of the many other deities throughout history, I can't believe in its existence. That is an enigma that is way over our heads.
 
OK, I see what you are trying to do so here we go. Yes, I believe that Muslims believe in a god, Allah. As for their deity existing, I can't say yes neither can I say no. I know my God exists. If He is the same God they pray to, yes he exists. If He isn't the same, I would say no. However, they seem to follow their prophet, Mohammed, more so than God or Allah so I am inclined to say no. I do believe that our God of the Bible is available to them just as anyone else but neither I, nor you, can be very specific in saying if who they pray to exists. If it isn't the God of the Bible, not some of the many other deities throughout history, I can't believe in its existence. That is an enigma that is way over our heads.

While "Allah" could refer to God literally, the Allah of Islam is the moon god of ancient pagan Arabia. The Arabic word for "god" is "ilah", while "al" is the Arabic for "the". Therefore, "Allah" combines "al" with "ilah" and removes the "i", to literally means, "the god". But much like "YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah" is the personal name of the God of the Bible, "Allah" was also the personal name given to the moon god, the highest of the 360 pagan idols worshipped in Mecca.
 
That is right Ringo. Only Jesus was sent by The Father...died for our sins and rose from the dead.

“And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.”
**John‬ *17:3‬ *
 
OK, I see what you are trying to do so here we go. Yes, I believe that Muslims believe in a god, Allah. As for their deity existing, I can't say yes neither can I say no. I know my God exists. If He is the same God they pray to, yes he exists. If He isn't the same, I would say no. However, they seem to follow their prophet, Mohammed, more so than God or Allah so I am inclined to say no. I do believe that our God of the Bible is available to them just as anyone else but neither I, nor you, can be very specific in saying if who they pray to exists. If it isn't the God of the Bible, not some of the many other deities throughout history, I can't believe in its existence. That is an enigma that is way over our heads.

While "Allah" could refer to God literally, the Allah of Islam is the moon god of ancient pagan Arabia. The Arabic word for "god" is "ilah", while "al" is the Arabic for "the". Therefore, "Allah" combines "al" with "ilah" and removes the "i", to literally means, "the god". But much like "YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah" is the personal name of the God of the Bible, "Allah" was also the personal name given to the moon god, the highest of the 360 pagan idols worshipped in Mecca.

(1 John 2: 22-23)
"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also"
.​

The Dome of the Rock/Al-Aqsa Mosque...has inscriptions condemning Christians and Jews in it, along with the inscription in Kuffic script: "Allah has no son", therefor, PROOF POSITIVE that "Allah" is NOT THE SAME GOD as the GOD of the BIBLE.
 

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