"No Ammo In The Classroom!" 6-12-12news: Officer/instructor shoots self in class

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"No Ammo In The Classroom!" 6-12-12news: Officer/instructor shoots self in class

Not only have people shot themselves while practicing, they've shot themselves in classes and now this week, it's a police Lt with 25 years' experience (10 of those instructing).

Why instructors should always insist you take your ammo out of the classroom...

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[Bozz]

We always do the following to help insure there is no LIVE AMMO in the classroom:

1. Let them know well in advance (upon registering) that NO LIVE AMMO should be brought to the class.
2. When we check the student in and insure their paperwork is complete, we ask them "Did you bring a gun with you?", and "Do you have any ammunition with you?". IF they brought a gun, WE physically CHECK it to be sure its unloaded. IF they brought ammo, they are told to return it to their vehicle until the range portion begins and we give them the OK to get it.
3. In the classroom, we always check and double-check all guns to insure they aren't loaded.

So far, it has worked for us. The NRA would approve of how we handle it.

 

[GunClasses.Net]

Great process! And, apparently, the department didn't follow it to check his weapon...

 

[lc9'er]

hmmm ... how about NO GUNS in the classroom? When I attended my TN HCP class, the instructor used a wood pistol during the lecture segment. We did not see or touch a weapon until range qualification time. During range time, we had several range masters watching over the herd for safety compliance. Great instructor (Phillip, of Goodlettesville Gun Shop).

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[Rhino]

hmmm ... how about NO GUNS in the classroom? When I attended my TN HCP class, the instructor used a wood pistol during the lecture segment. We did not see or touch a weapon until range qualification time.

That's how our classes were done too. However, from reading the article about this incident, it sounds like the officer needed his gun for the training because he was cleaning it after the training was completed.

 

[lc9'er]

That's how our classes were done too. However, from reading the article about this incident, it sounds like the officer needed his gun for the training because he was cleaning it after the training was completed.

After RANGE TIME, when ALL lead has been slung downrange? And those little slides are LOCKED OPEN? BIG DUH ...

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[Rhino]

After RANGE TIME, when ALL lead has been slung downrange? And those little slides are LOCKED OPEN? BIG DUH ...

LOL. I didn't say he was smart.

 

[olsparky]

For concealed carry classes it might be an option to not have an actual gun in the classroom, but it is not an option for NRA trainings. Also, each state is different in what needs to be taught in the classroom portion, and if they require a live fire exercise. Whatever the rules and options, I never allow live ammo in any class I teach, and I only allow people to bring guns to the live fire portion of trainings - not the classroom.

The reason I became a concealed carry instructor was because of the experience I had when I took my permit class. The instructor had 5 handguns pointing at the class the whole time. At one point he started loading live ammo into one of them for demonstration purposes, even though he had dummy rounds for that gun. At one point he pulled out his carry weapon from his pocket, dropped the mag, cleared the one in the chamber, and then explained that the gun had no mechanical safety. I knew he was an NRA Instructor as well (I had just recently become an NRA Instructor) and I asked him after the class why he didn't follow the no ammo rule. He said that it wasn't an NRA course, and that the state didn't have that requirement. What an idiot! I did report him to the state, and voiced my concerns about the negative example that he was to students.

One thing to always remember when using a dummy gun: always treat it as a real gun. Always follow the Three Safe Handling Rules: Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction; Always keep your finger of the trigger (or trigger location of a dummy gun) until ready to shoot; Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use it (some dummy guns allow for loading and unloading demonstration and practice). We need to always be a positive example of gun handling, and there should only be one standard regardless of whether the gun is real or a dummy gun.

 

[whitefeather]

We always do the following to help insure there is no LIVE AMMO in the classroom:

1. Let them know well in advance (upon registering) that NO LIVE AMMO should be brought to the class.
2. When we check the student in and insure their paperwork is complete, we ask them "Did you bring a gun with you?", and "Do you have any ammunition with you?". IF they brought a gun, WE physically CHECK it to be sure its unloaded. IF they brought ammo, they are told to return it to their vehicle until the range portion begins and we give them the OK to get it.
3. In the classroom, we always check and double-check all guns to insure they aren't loaded.

So far, it has worked for us. The NRA would approve of how we handle it.

First, I would appreciate that you notify in advance of your policies. This would allow me to discuss my feelings prior to attending your class or find another class.

I always carry and you should also. You and your class attendees are possibly subjected to the disgruntled employee or student that returns to 'get even'.

 

[BC1]

My policy is no guns allowed in the classroom during PP classes. We use rubber Glocks. Everyone signs a release and waiver which includes the understanding that entering the classroom with either a gun or ammo will result in dismissal. Prior to range exercises everyone heads to their car to get their gun.

 

[BC1]

First, I would appreciate that you notify in advance of your policies. This would allow me to discuss my feelings prior to attending your class or find another class.

I always carry and you should also. You and your class attendees are possibly subjected to the disgruntled employee or student that returns to 'get even'.

I have to side with Bozz. There is no wiggle room on this topic. NRA regulations require all certified instructors follow certain rules regarding ammo. So there isn't anything to discuss with the instructor. He can lose his certification if a report is confirmed that he allowed ammo in a classroom.

There's always that one "Curley" from the three stooges that will endanger the entire class.

 

[eagleeyes]

i don't understand how it went off in the first place? if he was cleaning it . i would assume he first took out the mag and then racked it to get the bullet out of the chamber? could it have gone off if he slipped somehow trying to empty the chamber?? i don't know being new to guns myself but i don't think my gun would fire if the mag is out and i tried to rack the bullet in the chamber out
if anyone knows please let me know if it is possible if i accidentally let go of the slide in the middle of a rack, could it in any way fire?
just raises questions for me reading that story
thanks

 

[Rhino]

Press stories are notoriously inaccurate, especially when it comes to firearms topics, so I wouldn't assume the cleaning claim as gospel. But lots of people have fired off a round while 'cleaning'. Usually it's after ejecting the magazine and stupidly dropping the hammer on a chambered round in a gun that doesn't have a magazine safety. It's amazing the dumb things that people will do sometimes. But don't be too overly harsh. There's an old saying amongst gun folks; There are two kinds of shooters; Those who have had a negligent discharge and those who will. In other words, everyone makes mistakes, even the careful people. Don't judge too harshly when someone else makes mistakes with a gun, because someday, despite your best efforts, it may be you. Hopefully no one will get hurt and no one will be watching when you make yours.