No ammo? Guess why? What I've suspected all along.

[S&W645]

I did a quick check of the Wally Worlds near here for 9mm. Answer is, they have none in 13 of 14 stores. Closest one that has any is 41 miles away.

 

[Deserteagle]

Straight from CCI's website:

We are currently experiencing high demand for our products. We appreciate your patience and support and remain committed to serving all of our customers.

Q: Why is ammunition in certain calibers so hard to find?

A: The current market and environment is causing stronger than usual demand for products in our industry.

Q: Are certain contracts taking ammunition away from civilians?

A: No. We remain committed to serving all channels of our business.

 

[AgentSmith5150]

I was just at a gun show here today, it was the 3rd day and they still had tons of ammo on hand. Lots of 9mm, 40 s&w, many various rifle. Of course people were buying the hell out of it, one guy bought 2 boxes of 9mm at one table and his buddy decided to get the remaining 6 boxes while here was right there. I have a .32 Tomcat and picked up a couple boxes for $25 each, that's the normal rate, I do realize that that's [not] a terribly sought after caliber though.

I guess it depends on your region too. Sports and rec store shelves are fairly bare around town, so yeah, the popular calibers are getting scarce.

 

[SR40c]

I was just at a gun show here today, it was the 3rd day and they still had tons of ammo on hand. Lots of 9mm, 40 s&w, many various rifle. Of course people were buying the hell out of it, one guy bought 2 boxes of 9mm at one table and his buddy decided to get the remaining 6 boxes while here was right there. I have a .32 Tomcat and picked up a couple boxes for $25 each, that's the normal rate, I do realize that that's a terribly sought after caliber though.

I guess it depends on your region too. Sports and rec store shelves are fairly bare around town, so yeah, the popular calibers are getting scarce.

I'm thinking you went to the same show I did. I was there on Friday and Saturday and yes, there was handgun ammo there. There was also a little 7.62 x 39 at very inflated prices and virtually no .223 either. I think the tons of ammo you speak of is the same old dusty boxes the same guys have been hauling around for years. Maybe the supply was better on Sunday, but from what I seen on the first two days, I would hardly be lead to believe that there was tons of ammo there. At least, not much that anyone wanted. Now I did see some people hauling out some 250rd boxes of UMC .40 cal. Anyway, things seem to be getting a little better, but a long way from normal.

 

[AgentSmith5150]

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Oh I agree, I admit I have not been to a gun show in some time, last time was well before any of the shortages we're seeing these days. So my idea of "lots of ammo" may be skewed

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I think it has a lot to do with location as well.
My LGS always seems to have .40 cal ammo (at normal prices) every time I walk in the door.
9mm on the other hand is never available and has not been for weeks now.
I sure am glad I bought a .40 cal or I would have no ammo to speak of!
(I actually have almost no ammo to speak of due to financial considerations)

 

[Itstjs]

I think it has a lot to do with location as well.
My LGS always seems to have .40 cal ammo (at normal prices) every time I walk in the door.
9mm on the other hand is never available and has not been for weeks now.
I sure am glad I bought a .40 cal or I would have no ammo to speak of!
(I actually have almost no ammo to speak of due to financial considerations)

something similar here, except 40 is almost impossible to find, 9 is scarce and all I can seem to find in some decent quantity is .357 sig and .45ACP. Ordering online seems to be the only way to go, and those prices are double of what youd find in any store around me, or at least thats what I can see. Im sure not spending over 200.00 on 150 rounds of 40 S&W for JHP or FMJ

 

[apvbguy]

I think it has a lot to do with location as well.
My LGS always seems to have .40 cal ammo (at normal prices) every time I walk in the door.
9mm on the other hand is never available and has not been for weeks now.
I sure am glad I bought a .40 cal or I would have no ammo to speak of!
(I actually have almost no ammo to speak of due to financial considerations)

the last time there were ammo shortages, a few years ago, it seemed impossible to find 9mm, I was glad I had a .40 and .45, when 9mm ammo became available I bought a wolf barrel 9mm to convert the .40 into a 9mm for practice. this go around I stocked up on ammo last summer and I am riding out this storm, the only thing that is suffering is my visits to the range

 

[FNWylde]

Jeeeez! This has been posted over and over. There is an ammo shortage because individules, not the government are buying it ALL. EVERY retailer has sold incredible amounts of ammo over the last three months, the demand is what is out of wack, not the supply. My store has sold more ammo in the last 3 months than in the previous two years combined. We continue to recieve shipments, but ammo continues to sell faster than we can replenish. Also the info about foreign sources not being availble is just dumb. PMC, Elly, Agulia, Russian .223 and 7.62x39 and other foreign stuff have all been readily availble. Easier to get than US made ammo in most cases.

When Illinois comes on line after the state revises its laws as directed by its own supreme court we'll see another round of buying. Illinois has over 12,000,000 residents and a 20% ownership rate. Iowa has around 3,000,000 residents and a 40% ownership rate. Just getting Illinois to the same percentage ownership as Iowa means a lot of weapons and ammunition.

 

[rifleshooter474]

Well something has sure stopped the flow of many types of Ammo. in my little crime infested cow town. I quickly noticed Russian Brown & silver Bear 7.62x39 5.45.39 Ammo. just can't be found. I don't think the Russians have stopped making it, and I sure don't think they took the USA of their sell list. So why can't I find any?

 

[BC1]

And what stops manufacturers from just increasing production? After all, that's what we do in business. When demand increases we ramp up supply to increase revenues... ie; strike while the market is hot.
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No, I believe this is purely a run by the general public in response to the Obama public policy. Has anyone taken a good look at the crowds in gun stores? For years there was little or no waiting for help at the gun counter. Now there are so many customers waiting some stores have implemented a "deli" number system.

 

[apvbguy]

And what stops manufacturers from just increasing production?

it's called manufacturing capacity, from what I've heard the ammo manufacturers are running the lines at their max and still cannot keep up with demand, I am sure most manufacturers would love to cash in on the frenzy, but they are limited by their capacity constraints.

 

[BC1]

it's called manufacturing capacity, from what I've heard the ammo manufacturers are running the lines at their max and still cannot keep up with demand, I am sure most manufacturers would love to cash in on the frenzy, but they are limited by their capacity constraints.

When demand exceeds capacity you ramp up production. You retool or expand production lines if necessary. If you haven't already done so, you implement strategies such as MRP (material requirements Planning) to maximize current production line use. You implement strategies such as COPICS (Communications Oriented Production Information and Control System - IBM) or MAPICS (commercial ERP software used to control the operations of manufacturing companies - Manufacturing, Accounting and Production Information Control Systems). Not all companies fully employ these strategies. The sole purpose of operating a business is to maximize capitalization on market needs. That's pure capitalism. No company will let an increase in business and profitablility pass them by. That's not how you stay in business.
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I believe many companies blindsided by the overwhelming demand that popped after 2008 are presently developing/employing these internal strategies to meet market demands. The government could not shut down private ammo sales by buying-up product... not in a free-market economic model anyway. Private industry can always produce more product than the government could buy-up because the profits of the sales are used to increase production.

 

[rifleshooter474]

I think the companies making the Ammo. and the distributor who order it along with the stores selling the Ammo., are all waiting to see what the new Obama laws will be. No one wants to be caught with something they can't sell. As for the importation of the Russian Ammo. I think our Government keeping it from being imported.

 

[apvbguy]

When demand exceeds capacity you ramp up production.

easier said than done. when you are at capacity, the costs and logistics of creating more capacity are not always a simple matter to raise.
you can use all sorts of calculations to try and get the most out of what you have but you cannot create labor, machinery, real estate and components out of thin air.

 

[AMLKing]

My opinion is that one causes the other. It is the Governments purchase of ammo that lead to the civilian demand. It was not long after stories of the multiple purchases (in both 9mm and .40) by DHS that the run on ammo started.

Just like the politicians talking of gun and mag bans started the run on ARs and 30rd magazines.

As stated in earlier posts, ammo in Texas (at least where I am) is hard to find in stock in any caliber. Online it is almost as hard to find, and the places that do have 9mm, .40, .45, .223 are taking advantage of that demand by jacking up prices. On occasion, you can find good deals.

Multiple times I have attempted to order from websites that just received a shipment of ammo, but like others, by the time I got to check out, it was out of stock.

It sucks not being able to find all the ammo that we want, but at the same time, it is refreshing to see so many people finally waking up and seeing what is going on in the US, and taking action by stocking up.

 

[rifleshooter474]

My opinion is that one causes the other. It is the Governments purchase of ammo that lead to the civilian demand. It was not long after stories of the multiple purchases (in both 9mm and .40) by DHS that the run on ammo started.

Just like the politicians talking of gun and mag bans started the run on ARs and 30rd magazines.

As stated in earlier posts, ammo in Texas (at least where I am) is hard to find in stock in any caliber. Online it is almost as hard to find, and the places that do have 9mm, .40, .45, .223 are taking advantage of that demand by jacking up prices. On occasion, you can find good deals.

Multiple times I have attempted to order from websites that just received a shipment of ammo, but like others, by the time I got to check out, it was out of stock.

It sucks not being able to find all the ammo that we want, but at the same time, it is refreshing to see so many people finally waking up and seeing what is going on in the US, and taking action by stocking up.

What I don't understand is why I can't find any Russian Brown&Silver Bear 7.62x39&5.45x39 Ammo. Still lots of the corrosion spam can types, but no non corrosion types.

 

[S&W645]

Well something has sure stopped the flow of many types of Ammo. in my little crime infested cow town. I quickly noticed Russian Brown & silver Bear 7.62x39 5.45.39 Ammo. just can't be found. I don't think the Russians have stopped making it, and I sure don't think they took the USA of their sell list. So why can't I find any?

But our local Wally World did get some Wolf 7.62X39 in. And then sold out about as fast as the 40 spam cans of .223 from Wolf.

 

[rifleshooter474]

But our local Wally World did get some Wolf 7.62X39 in. And then sold out about as fast as the 40 spam cans of .223 from Wolf.

Well those buyers were very lucky.

 

[gejoslin]

But our local Wally World did get some Wolf 7.62X39 in. And then sold out about as fast as the 40 spam cans of .223 from Wolf.

Our WalMart got 7.62X39mm tuesday. All gone Wednesday. Then Thursday they got a shelf load of 9mm, 40 cal and 45 cal. Gone by Friday. But I got mine!