New York State a barrier for concealed carry?

[B A Booracus]

Hello,

according to the reciprocity maps, it seems that by living north of New York state (I'm in Massachusettts), you are effectively cut off from traveling to the rest of the country while carrying concealed.

Anyone see a way around this? I'm sure this has been brought up before, but my searching the forums didn't find anything.

I could "chance" it and drive across New York at the shortest point between connecticut and New Jersey, but that chance would be a major federal offense/loss of license/possible jail time, etc...

Am I screwed? Damn New York for not honoring out of state permits.... that state screws up everything for me!!

I had planned on driving back to my home state of Missouri, but it looks like the right to carry concealed on the long road trip might be out for me now.

Any suggestions?

 

[ricardo900]

Hello,

according to the reciprocity maps, it seems that by living north of New York state (I'm in Massachusettts), you are effectively cut off from traveling to the rest of the country while carrying concealed.

Anyone see a way around this? I'm sure this has been brought up before, but my searching the forums didn't find anything.

I could "chance" it and drive across New York at the shortest point between connecticut and New Jersey, but that chance would be a major federal offense/loss of license/possible jail time, etc...

Am I screwed? Damn New York for not honoring out of state permits.... that state screws up everything for me!!

I had planned on driving back to my home state of Missouri, but it looks like the right to carry concealed on the long road trip might be out for me now.

Any suggestions?

I wouldn't chance it, it would be your dumb luck if you get pulled over, get into an accident or even catch a flat! I can safely speak for all New Yorkers in saying it sucks big time here and we have similar trouble when we want to travel south passing through new jersey.:hang3: When I travel to North Carolina, I look for the routes that shorten my time going through those anti states, so my firearm doesn't get to cold in my trunk for long.

Also, I will not stop or spend a dime in any state that won't allow me to carry my firearm period.

 

[Unfettered Might]

Hello,

according to the reciprocity maps, it seems that by living north of New York state (I'm in Massachusettts), you are effectively cut off from traveling to the rest of the country while carrying concealed.

Anyone see a way around this? I'm sure this has been brought up before, but my searching the forums didn't find anything.

I could "chance" it and drive across New York at the shortest point between connecticut and New Jersey, but that chance would be a major federal offense/loss of license/possible jail time, etc...

Am I screwed? Damn New York for not honoring out of state permits.... that state screws up everything for me!!

I had planned on driving back to my home state of Missouri, but it looks like the right to carry concealed on the long road trip might be out for me now.

Any suggestions?

I know it's not the answer you really want but;

You can carry across New York if you lock the gun in the trunk with it unloaded. Carry to the New York state line, get out and put it in the trunk. Once you cross the state line out of New York, get out and put it back on.

 

[Juanito]

New York gun laws suck. Where I live New York City, it sucks 10 worse than the state. cannot wait to get out.

 

[JimMullinsWVCDL]

FOPA Transport

See 18 U.S.C. § 926A:

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

If you follow the procedure specified above while passing through a bad state, you will be legal. Also remember to exercise your 4th & 5th Amendment rights. Do not disclose that you are transpoorting a firearm; say only that you have nothing illegal. Do not, under any circumstances, consent to a vehicle search or engage in frivolous chit-chat with an LEO (who may likely talk to you and others with you to try to gain probable cause for a search). Silence is golden. A violation of your constitutional rights may really be golden. However, avoiding an incident is always preferable.

 

[rock rat]

I liv ed in MA most of my life. It is a HORRIBLE state thta seems to forget about alot of our freedoms and rights. I "defected" to a much better state..VA.!!!! I will NEVER,EVER return or even VISIT MA....This state illustrates liberal failure in all areas. I could go on and on...but just thinking about that socialist rathole makes me angry. It wasnt always like this,but,somewhere along the way,folks just went to sleep and were duped....America...BE CAREFULL AND WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[B A Booracus]

Thanks everyone. I'm glad I can at least carry it in my trunk across the NY state lines. You can bet i'll be packing once I leave that state though!

Thanks again all

 

[thedub88]

unless you have concealed carry licence for the other states you want to travel, you cant leave the state while carrying concealed.

 

[mrjam2jab]

Hello,

according to the reciprocity maps, it seems that by living north of New York state (I'm in Massachusettts), you are effectively cut off from traveling to the rest of the country while carrying concealed.

Anyone see a way around this? I'm sure this has been brought up before, but my searching the forums didn't find anything.

I could "chance" it and drive across New York at the shortest point between connecticut and New Jersey, but that chance would be a major federal offense/loss of license/possible jail time, etc...

Am I screwed? Damn New York for not honoring out of state permits.... that state screws up everything for me!!

I had planned on driving back to my home state of Missouri, but it looks like the right to carry concealed on the long road trip might be out for me now.

Any suggestions?

NJ is just as bad as NY. What permit(s) do you have? A MA license isn't honored until you get to KY/IN...although PA will allow you to have it in the car as you drive thru

Handgunlaw.us Mass

 

[torontogunguy]

I know it's not the answer you really want but;

You can carry across New York if you lock the gun in the trunk with it unloaded. Carry to the New York state line, get out and put it in the trunk. Once you cross the state line out of New York, get out and put it back on.

THAT is federal law. You are fully entitled to carry from one state where you have authority to carry to another place where you have authority to carry with total impunity if you follow the rules. The gun needs to be unloaded and the ammo and gun stored seperately and out of the driver compartment. We have an SUV and have installed TWO minisafes from Harbour Freight in the back, bolted to the floor. When travelling we carry with a paddle holster and when we reach a state line where we are not able to carry, we carefully unholster and unload, placing the gun into one black shopping cloth bag and the magazine, emptied, into another black shopping bag, get out of the van and walk to the rear and place each shopping bag into a seperate minisafe. And lock them.

We also carry a copy of the federal law, etc. in a binder and a laminated copy in each safe to educate the uneducated.

Have been stopped many times and have never had any issues. In fact, we live in Ontario Canada (Kanada) and enter New York State at the border regularly, declaring our firearms possession and carry permits and advising that the guns are stored thusly... have never had anything but smiles. (Am a Yank)

 

[mrjam2jab]

THAT is federal law. You are fully entitled to carry from one state where you have authority to carry to another place where you have authority to carry with total impunity if you follow the rules. The gun needs to be unloaded and the ammo and gun stored seperately and out of the driver compartment. We have an SUV and have installed TWO minisafes from Harbour Freight in the back, bolted to the floor. When travelling we carry with a paddle holster and when we reach a state line where we are not able to carry, we carefully unholster and unload, placing the gun into one black shopping cloth bag and the magazine, emptied, into another black shopping bag, get out of the van and walk to the rear and place each shopping bag into a seperate minisafe. And lock them.

We also carry a copy of the federal law, etc. in a binder and a laminated copy in each safe to educate the uneducated.

Actually, if you read the federal statute....it does NOT say the gun and ammo must be separate...maybe in a case of not having a separate compartment...but even then I'm not sure they have to be separate.

§ 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
How Current is This?
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

 

[torontogunguy]

Actually, if you read the federal statute....it does NOT say the gun and ammo must be separate...maybe in a case of not having a separate compartment...but even then I'm not sure they have to be separate.

True. But let me relate a story to you about a stop. Once upon a time I declared that I had handguns and a permit, etc. "Where are the guns and ammo" I was asked. In the back of the van; the gun is in one safe and the ammo in the other, said I. Open up the back. I pushed the button and the rear hatch opened. The officer took one look at the two locked safes and wished me a pleasant journey THROUGH NEW YORK STATE.

Ever since it has been my habit to lock the gun(s) and ammo seperately.

The law seems to indicate that you can have both the gun and ammo in the same locked compartment as long as the gun is unloaded, but what is unloaded? Is it with the ammo out of the magazine? Is it with the magazine out of the gun? Is it with the magazine in the butt of the gun but not locked into place? Is it with the magazine locked into place but no round chambered? I dunno... but this seems to work for me and I'm sticking with it and at $39 for each safe it sure impresses them that I would go to that much trouble. Just be sure to have a couple of those black cloth shopping backs or equivilant so that you don't get someone crying "man with a gun!". That is trouble for sure.