New York Anti Gun Bills for Next Year

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New York voters have been stuck on stupid for many years now and we are less than 3 Senators away from these passing.
These bills have been crafted over the summer.
If anyone on this forum thinks that any of these bills are palatable, you are either an idiot or a troll.

Note that the term "firearm" as used in these proposals means pistols and revolvers, not long guns.While none of these bills will be acted upon even if the legislature does come back, it gives you a good flavor of what we will be facing in the new session.

Here are the bills.

S7828 Title: Prohibits the sale or purchase of more than 500 rounds of ammunition during any period of 30 days
S7829 Title: Requires a national instant criminal background check to be conducted on each individual who purchases ammunition
S7834 Title: Prohibits the purchase of more than 1 firearm during any period of 30 days
S7835 Title: Establishes a 10 day waiting period for the purchase of any firearm
S7836 Title: Provides for universal background checks for the sale of firearms
S7837 Title: Regulates firearms and ammunition dealers
 
How does any of this deter gun crime? The Colorado perp had no criminal record. How would any of this stop someone like him?
 
Not a one of those, by itself, seems to be very bad. However, all put together they are a great infringement upon the 2nd Amendment. That's one of the problems: nothing seems bad alone, but taken with everything else it is. That's how they get things done that the majority doesn't want done. Of course, we realize that each and every one of them takes away another small portion of our right to "keep and bear arms." But what the hay - we don't count. We aren't liberals like they are.
 
I am fairly positive there is a "universal," standard or otherwise background check for any firearm in New York already.

Though gun shows "private purchases" may exclude that.

Can you please tell me where you found this?
 
Totally agree that these do nothing to slow down criminal activity. Its to pacify constituents that they are doing something, even iF its all wrong. Yeah, they need to vote the lot out or move. Too bad they dont take your advice. If their tax base left, they would take notice....
 
How does any of this deter gun crime? The Colorado perp had no criminal record. How would any of this stop someone like him?

Which is why, ultimately, the people behind these "resonable and common sense laws" will say that they now need ALL firearms. In a way the futility of these laws actually proves their point to ban them altogether. Not that I'd agree, mind you.
 
This is what new yorkers want. Let them do it. Federalism works. The will of the people is carried out by the representatives that those people elect. Representative republic. U can always move.
 
Can you please tell me where you found this?

Sure, It came from the Legislative Committe of SCOPE
SCOPE is a Second Amendment Advocacy Group for New York gun owners.

You can also get the info from Search - NY Senate Open Legislation - New York State Senate

Or just Google something like S7837

What scares me is the last bill. This will make ammunition on par with controlled substances. The amount of paper work will become burdensome on the seller's to the intended point of just making it counter productive to even be in the business.
Any pharmacist out there can tell you about the compliance they must go through on controlled prescriptions.
What scares me even more is if the Democrats win the NY Senate there will be nothing to stop any of these bills from passing.
 
As usual, none of these New York city based measures will do anything other rhan inconvenience lawfull gun owners. We already have the same "instant check" as everyone else in the nation, and while you can still sell a "long" gun privately, I don't recall ever being able to sell a handgun without the state being involved, due to our "permit" system. Meanwhile, the criminals could care less.
 
As usual, none of these New York city based measures will do anything other rhan inconvenience lawfull gun owners. We already have the same "instant check" as everyone else in the nation, and while you can still sell a "long" gun privately, I don't recall ever being able to sell a handgun without the state being involved, due to our "permit" system. Meanwhile, the criminals could care less.

It won't do anything to curb criminal activity. What it will do is give the progressive liberals the euphoric feeling of good intentions they so desperately seek. If you want solutions vote for conservative candidates. Being in New York that means you have to vote for east coast conservatives which in my opinion are too liberal for me but they are not socialist, whoops I mean progressive liberals.
 
Let me clean this up a bit for everyone who follow the myths. I've examined these bills, Ive had conversations with my state assemblyman and sentaor on them. These feeble attempts are going on constantly, every year and in in many states. News flash: DEMOCRATS IN NYS WANT THEIR GUNS. 1.3 million permit holders aren't all republican.

S7828 was referred to the rules committee on August 1, 2012. It is simply another knee-jerk reaction to batman. Past efforts to enact these changes to state business law were found to violate federal interstate commerce law. This is dead before it ever hits the floor. It has no vote support.

S7829 was referred to the rules committee on August 1, 2012. It has only one Dem sponsor and one Dem co-sponsor. Even the remaining Dem senators aren't behind it. This legislation would also interfere with federal commerce laws, precisley why follow dems aren't behind it.

S7834 was referred to rules on August 13, 2012. Section two amends the Penal law by adding a new subdivision "E" to Penal law Section 265.45. This section provides exemptions to the crime of unlawful procurement of a firearm. This bill would also usurp federal commerce laws. Section three amends the Penal law by adding a new section 400.15 (licensing). The proposed legislation requires each dealer in firearms prior to the sale of any firearm to request approval of such sale from the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS). Upon receipt of the approval, the dealer in firearms shall record and report such sale to DCJS within 24 hours. This provision is already codified into federal law and federal instant background checks are already required. Further, article 400 of the penal law deals with licensing, not purchase of firearms, which is contained in article 265. It further attempts to circumvent federal commerce laws. This one is getting returned too.

S7835 was referred to rules on Aug 13, 2012. This one is a real joke. Since NYS requires registration of the firearm before you can pick it up, the officer (or judge) must already sign-off on the change. The pistol permit department must add the new gun to that permit and mail the permit holder his/her new permit before he can pick up his new gun. This takes about two weeks in most counties. Extending the waiting period from three (fed law) to ten days becomes laughable. Ain't gonna happen. Most Dem legislators aren't behind it despite having numerous co-sponsors.

S7836 Referred to rules committee on August 13, 2012. This one also violates federal commerce laws, unless the transfer occurs interstate.

S7837 Referred to rules commitee on Aug 13, 2012. It's already illegal for a dealer in firearms to sell pistol ammo to anyone who does not posses a valid license for a pistol (Penal Law S270.00(4). Walmart is diligent in this area. However, I watch thousands of rounds sold to hoodrats at gun shows without a license check. Once asked a NYS Trooper "did you see that transction? 2,000 rounds of .40 & .45?" He yawned and shrugged it off. So, this simple law isn't even enforced.​

Consider the dates these all went to the rules committee. Then look at the sponsors and co-sponsors. It's the same bunch. Generally lead by the NYC crowd. There is an ongoing attempt at everything from microstamping to ammo control. Been going on for years in several states. The newest proposed laws are a KNEE-JERK REACTION by legislators after the Batman incident. Upstate NY? Legislators are not on board. Democrats hunt, target shoot, protect their families AND VOTE! Which is presicely why no legislation has ever been passed that prohibits the carrying of a firearm in a bar, restuarant, public transportation, church, hospital, doctor's office, park, municipal building, movie theater, venues that charge admission... and on and on. Yesterday I had to obtain some county records. There was no law against me spending the entire day getting copies of deeds, business certificates and other documents in the county building while carrying a gun. On the way home we stopped for a burger and a beer at the local eatery - LEGALLY.

Anyone remember the Bloomburg press conference two weeks ago where he said he sent a legislator upstate to procure a hi-cap mag and assault rifle? After the Batman shooting? The big announcement was proposing legislation to ban hi-cap mags. Well, this is already illegal under NYS Penal Law S265.02(8) - "D" Felony and S265.00(23). Nothing more than hype.

My concern is that posts like thus further the NYS myths (not NYC). If you check around the country, you'll see similar attempts in many states, especially those who recently enacted CC. This isn't a NY thing, it's a liberal anti-gun thing. It's never going to stop as long as there are anti-gun snetiments who want to be heard. As Chicken-Little found, the sky is not falling; it's only rain.
 
With the exception of nycity,albany and maybe a few other large cities,NY is pretty gun friendly,but it's those cities mentioned that vote in the antigun idiots,we try to do what we can,but it's like shoveling against the tide when it comes to number of voters
 
This is what new yorkers want. Let them do it. Federalism works. The will of the people is carried out by the representatives that those people elect. Representative republic. U can always move.
Otis, it's more complicated than that. NYC controls the entire state vote. There are roughly 8 million people living in a 4X12 mile city. Very small geographic area. The rest of the state has only 11 million residents. The upstate vote is negated by a large city liberal enclave. As an upstate resident we're disenfranchised by current voting laws.
 

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