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2009 Texas shooting incident.
set the scene,
I had been a homeowner at that time of 18 years and of late 40yr age. at a burn in Texas, property backed up to small ranch but close side to side neighbors.
3 years prior a new guy moved in to my side property, apron 28-30 yr old, theres already was a 8 foot privacy fence in place. he moved in three black labs in a aprox. 400 sqft. area backing up to my/our fence. clean cut young professional dude. ok cool.... we had some barking issues but no big deal....there was a Sunday, chilling in my pool with a then female friend the neighbor had a X wife or ??? he seemed to be a arguing loudly for some time causing his dogs to bark non stop, we couldn't chill by the pool and if he was into it with a X I didn't want to mess with him, so I left a note on his door to please address the barking, well he came over at the end of the next day, Knocked, (banged) on the door, ok cool, Neighbor greets with you could tell a little temper, ( This guy is 6'3 and FIT). he informs me he is a local boy wants to be a good neighbor and what can we do., cool solved, Inform's me If there is EVER a Problem to Please Let Him Know So He Could Put the Three Labs in His Back Enclosed Patio. Cool Problem solved, Three years goes buy, chill with the guy at the fence while mowing the lawn No issues. He had told me he played football in school, then in college and current flag ball, side personal trainer and martial arts,ok cool,
2009
I had been re-marrid for 6 months and my wife 12 years my junior is a First officer with a Major Arline, Carries a Federal Badge and a issued H&K in the Cockpit.
I had a CCL and had enjoyed shooting sports since I was 4 years old. some 45 years.
On the evening I had attended a Funeral from a Industry person in the evening in a unfamiliar part of the city so I carried, retuned home late that evening past 11pm, wife waiting up, meets and greets,. boys sleeping. nice,at that time i did not remove my pocket belonging's and secure my Ruger sp101. concealed in a holster in the small of my back.
After the 35+ minute drive home I told my wife I was going out back on the garden patio to chill for a few then coming to bed, Almost Midnight now. I go out back an hear he has some type of bbq gathering, My thought were, cool, dmn I could go for some bbq and a beer right now, wish he invited me, smiling to myself, come to find out there they roasted a pig and were drinking and cooking the pig since before 10:30 am. and it was now midnight, a few guest's were playing a game and cheering, ok cool, this cause the there Labs to bark non stop, not cool, so I left and went inside (a/c on, house closed up) back to that back corner farthest away from them and the barking was not cool. crp, we need to get up before 6 for a yard sale, crap what the heck, Ok he said ANY TIME THERE IS A PROBELM LET HIM KNOW, so I went in the dark to the back fence and called out to the people playing the game, a buddy of his came to the fence and asked "Who The **** Are You" crap. " I'm the Neighbor and Could you please chill on the Dogs?" His reply "How Bout WE Come Over There and Beat Your ASS" crap, "Im Just Asking if you can chill on the dogs" Now several seem to be gathering on the other side of the fence, couple minutes of this going on as someone over there goes to get the home owner, my wife wondering were Im at games out back to see about the time the home owner arrivers at the fence Extremely Agitated, crap, He Jumps up Straddling the Fence with One Leg on each side of the fence threatening to come over and beat me up, Im Like, DUDE Im just asking you to chill the dogs, No good, at this Point with Wife like wtf. I actually realize Im armed and inform him that "I Am Armed DO NOT COME OVER HERE, I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT YOU" My Pilot First Officer Wife Puts up her arms towards the fence reiterating that I Am Armed We Do Not Want to Fight you Do Not Come Over Here, His Party Goers and Now CHEERING Him On to Come aver and Beat Me Up. Im 300 feet from my back door and and there are now Two ready to come over the fence, My wife had moved in front of me by a couple feet telling them as the cheering and laughing "ITS NOT FUNNY,HES ARMED, DO NOT COME OVER HERE" then the magic word, Someone yells out " YOUR TO ***** TO GO OVER THERE" The Duded screaming "IM GOIN TO BEAT YOUR ASS", **** me, as he drops on to my property and with a step was into my Wife as she backed up into me as he there punches around her to hit me pushing her on her upper arms, backing us up a couple steps a tripped from her feet as he try her to the side and Tackled me from Behind taking me down like a board to the ground, hitting my forehead on a brick at the back side of my pool, he sat on my back and spun around to hold my arms down with his legs while beating me with his fists and screaming "IM GOIN TO ******* KILL YOU" ok now this is passed serious, as he also seems to be trying to locate my weapon, My Only thought wa I had to Roll out and Stop this guy, He was obviously DRUNK ad was going to Hurt Me Real Bad or Kill me, I felt a Moment, I made Two Rolls to My Right, as I got up on my knees he was moving towards me s I drew my Holstered SP101 and Fired One Shot into his Mid Section. STOPPED HIM. Sobered him right up, He said " You Shot Me, You Killed ME" at this point I was angry and said to hime " all I did was ask yo to chill on the dogs' he replied " I Know, I was misinformed, It My Fault and thats What Im Going to Tell Them" as we get 911 on the phone I tell him to shut up and lay there, He repeats and we get this on the phone of him saying this to a 911 operator. HORRIBLE SCENE of Having to Shoot Someone. 158 grain hp hit lower right abdomen exiting out his back. So me , him and my wife are there wtf, his partygoers are throwing death threats as we wait for police,
police arrive in force from his side of the fence and another few from my driveway essentially putting me in-between, holly crap, They call out "Who's the Shooter" I reply "ME" All have Weapons Drawn on me Shot Guns, Pistols and a AR or Two. They also have set themselves up in a crossfire situation if any shots were fired, wtf?
they say "Were is the Weapon" I reply "In My Right Front Pocket", I have two set's of cops giving me commands from each side. they say to bring the weapon out of my pocket, i said " Ok Im taking the Gun Out Of My pocket" The two Sets of Cops are giving commands as i remove the weapon with my two fingers and hold it out straight to my side as directed, again both sets of cops are giving command, I ask "What Do You Want Me to Do? Drop It?, Toss It to the Side? What?" I then Tossed it to the side as I heard a officer gasp as he was about to pull his trigger, Ok some dude that looks like the Ajax man slams me down knee in back, cuffed, ok I know gunna have to go thru a process, I tried to continually inform them I was the home owner who's me and my wife were attacked by this drunk neighbor guy and I was the good guy he attacked me it is my property, he came over the fence and attacked us, no good I was told by a Cop to Shut the **** Up. omg. I said I the home owner he attacked us.
Thrown in the back of the car and Im off to town jail. at some point a officer had accused me and reported I was intoxicated but know type of test's were takin and I hand been drinking, wtf again, I'm uncuffed and proceed by a desk guy, and Im like wtf. I'm placed in a cell, holly ****, wtf, hours go buy 3am or so no sleeping I'm eventually asked if i wan tto give a statement and talk, Im like YES. Big Mistake, I would Never Recommend Under Any Circumstance to give a Statement to the Police Without a Attorney Present.
I told him as i told you, He asked why I brought a gun to the back yard? wtf I informed him repeatedly that I had my weapon still on me from the evening and had not removed it had a ccl and was on my fenced property in Texas, he went down the road as if I had picked up my weapon to go confront the neighbor of his dogs then made it out to be some long standing Feud. wtf this is unreal, nothing could be farther than the truth, I was at a funeral of a women who's husband is a recently retire police officer, Im the good guy, he and all of them are and were drunk, wtf, they life flight the guy guess he felt linked a few times but was to survive, wtf. Im informed I'm in serious trouble. omg what?
Now this is not a 5 something am on Sunday. Im put back in a cell and now getting scared. Collect call phone in cell as I call some family members to what going to to get me out, Sunday there no judges to charge you so you have to sit until they get out of church and have sunday dinner I'm informed, omg i can't believe this, know body to answer any questions. nothing, my back to hurts so I get someone and my forehead had a goos egg on it were it hit the ground, they took pictures of my back and forehead, my back was blak and blue from shoulders to mid back. wtf. I sit all day sin day as my family trys to locate a attorney and or bail bondsman to get me out. Finally late afternoon a female tyuged i overheard on the phone called another judge on the phone and they or the da charged me the Attempted Murder and three other G offense. omfg. and set my bail at $100,000.
I was fortunate to have a friend to me on to a high power high end very expensive attorney, I dint know how these thing work as I have Never Been in Trouble In My Life, I had a 20 years in a corporation in a field of some media exposure.
Attorney make a call and Im out of jail on a $100,000 bail on Sunday Night still covered in Blood. nice scene.
Try sleeping after this, Monday comes I call my corporate HQ as I work from home and travel and inform them ill be taking that day off. ok my corp had been sold by a long time family ownership to a big time Corporation, a while latter hq call me and a HR person was on the phone to me that they had receive "calls" and I was placed on admin, leave without pay, wtf, i then took the time to tell the story toe my Long time coworker then superior old friend, but the HR overruled, then I nee to get downtown to meet with this attorney, family in turmoil, wtf is going on, why m I in trouble.
Ok, meet attorny , good ol Texas Cowboy attorney big time, need the 10% of the $100,000 and $70,000 more and you won't do time. and we need this Now to move forward.HUH?
wft? alright I didn't do anything wrong so this has to work out, gotta ponie up $70,000 to stay out of jai.
continued tomorrow I'm tired this is juts gettting started
sit back its a saga.
2009 Texas shooting incident.
set the scene,
I had been a homeowner at that time of 18 years and of late 40yr age. at a burn in Texas, property backed up to small ranch but close side to side neighbors.
3 years prior a new guy moved in to my side property, apron 28-30 yr old, theres already was a 8 foot privacy fence in place. he moved in three black labs in a aprox. 400 sqft. area backing up to my/our fence. clean cut young professional dude. ok cool.... we had some barking issues but no big deal....there was a Sunday, chilling in my pool with a then female friend the neighbor had a X wife or ??? he seemed to be a arguing loudly for some time causing his dogs to bark non stop, we couldn't chill by the pool and if he was into it with a X I didn't want to mess with him, so I left a note on his door to please address the barking, well he came over at the end of the next day, Knocked, (banged) on the door, ok cool, Neighbor greets with you could tell a little temper, ( This guy is 6'3 and FIT). he informs me he is a local boy wants to be a good neighbor and what can we do., cool solved, Inform's me If there is EVER a Problem to Please Let Him Know So He Could Put the Three Labs in His Back Enclosed Patio. Cool Problem solved, Three years goes buy, chill with the guy at the fence while mowing the lawn No issues. He had told me he played football in school, then in college and current flag ball, side personal trainer and martial arts,ok cool,
2009
I had been re-marrid for 6 months and my wife 12 years my junior is a First officer with a Major Arline, Carries a Federal Badge and a issued H&K in the Cockpit.
I had a CCL and had enjoyed shooting sports since I was 4 years old. some 45 years.
On the evening I had attended a Funeral from a Industry person in the evening in a unfamiliar part of the city so I carried, retuned home late that evening past 11pm, wife waiting up, meets and greets,. boys sleeping. nice,at that time i did not remove my pocket belonging's and secure my Ruger sp101. concealed in a holster in the small of my back.
After the 35+ minute drive home I told my wife I was going out back on the garden patio to chill for a few then coming to bed, Almost Midnight now. I go out back an hear he has some type of bbq gathering, My thought were, cool, dmn I could go for some bbq and a beer right now, wish he invited me, smiling to myself, come to find out there they roasted a pig and were drinking and cooking the pig since before 10:30 am. and it was now midnight, a few guest's were playing a game and cheering, ok cool, this cause the there Labs to bark non stop, not cool, so I left and went inside (a/c on, house closed up) back to that back corner farthest away from them and the barking was not cool. crp, we need to get up before 6 for a yard sale, crap what the heck, Ok he said ANY TIME THERE IS A PROBELM LET HIM KNOW, so I went in the dark to the back fence and called out to the people playing the game, a buddy of his came to the fence and asked "Who The **** Are You" crap. " I'm the Neighbor and Could you please chill on the Dogs?" His reply "How Bout WE Come Over There and Beat Your ASS" crap, "Im Just Asking if you can chill on the dogs" Now several seem to be gathering on the other side of the fence, couple minutes of this going on as someone over there goes to get the home owner, my wife wondering were Im at games out back to see about the time the home owner arrivers at the fence Extremely Agitated, crap, He Jumps up Straddling the Fence with One Leg on each side of the fence threatening to come over and beat me up, Im Like, DUDE Im just asking you to chill the dogs, No good, at this Point with Wife like wtf. I actually realize Im armed and inform him that "I Am Armed DO NOT COME OVER HERE, I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT YOU" My Pilot First Officer Wife Puts up her arms towards the fence reiterating that I Am Armed We Do Not Want to Fight you Do Not Come Over Here, His Party Goers and Now CHEERING Him On to Come aver and Beat Me Up. Im 300 feet from my back door and and there are now Two ready to come over the fence, My wife had moved in front of me by a couple feet telling them as the cheering and laughing "ITS NOT FUNNY,HES ARMED, DO NOT COME OVER HERE" then the magic word, Someone yells out " YOUR TO ***** TO GO OVER THERE" The Duded screaming "IM GOIN TO BEAT YOUR ASS", **** me, as he drops on to my property and with a step was into my Wife as she backed up into me as he there punches around her to hit me pushing her on her upper arms, backing us up a couple steps a tripped from her feet as he try her to the side and Tackled me from Behind taking me down like a board to the ground, hitting my forehead on a brick at the back side of my pool, he sat on my back and spun around to hold my arms down with his legs while beating me with his fists and screaming "IM GOIN TO ******* KILL YOU" ok now this is passed serious, as he also seems to be trying to locate my weapon, My Only thought wa I had to Roll out and Stop this guy, He was obviously DRUNK ad was going to Hurt Me Real Bad or Kill me, I felt a Moment, I made Two Rolls to My Right, as I got up on my knees he was moving towards me s I drew my Holstered SP101 and Fired One Shot into his Mid Section. STOPPED HIM. Sobered him right up, He said " You Shot Me, You Killed ME" at this point I was angry and said to hime " all I did was ask yo to chill on the dogs' he replied " I Know, I was misinformed, It My Fault and thats What Im Going to Tell Them" as we get 911 on the phone I tell him to shut up and lay there, He repeats and we get this on the phone of him saying this to a 911 operator. HORRIBLE SCENE of Having to Shoot Someone. 158 grain hp hit lower right abdomen exiting out his back. So me , him and my wife are there wtf, his partygoers are throwing death threats as we wait for police,
police arrive in force from his side of the fence and another few from my driveway essentially putting me in-between, holly crap, They call out "Who's the Shooter" I reply "ME" All have Weapons Drawn on me Shot Guns, Pistols and a AR or Two. They also have set themselves up in a crossfire situation if any shots were fired, wtf?
they say "Were is the Weapon" I reply "In My Right Front Pocket", I have two set's of cops giving me commands from each side. they say to bring the weapon out of my pocket, i said " Ok Im taking the Gun Out Of My pocket" The two Sets of Cops are giving commands as i remove the weapon with my two fingers and hold it out straight to my side as directed, again both sets of cops are giving command, I ask "What Do You Want Me to Do? Drop It?, Toss It to the Side? What?" I then Tossed it to the side as I heard a officer gasp as he was about to pull his trigger, Ok some dude that looks like the Ajax man slams me down knee in back, cuffed, ok I know gunna have to go thru a process, I tried to continually inform them I was the home owner who's me and my wife were attacked by this drunk neighbor guy and I was the good guy he attacked me it is my property, he came over the fence and attacked us, no good I was told by a Cop to Shut the **** Up. omg. I said I the home owner he attacked us.
Thrown in the back of the car and Im off to town jail. at some point a officer had accused me and reported I was intoxicated but know type of test's were takin and I hand been drinking, wtf again, I'm uncuffed and proceed by a desk guy, and Im like wtf. I'm placed in a cell, holly ****, wtf, hours go buy 3am or so no sleeping I'm eventually asked if i wan tto give a statement and talk, Im like YES. Big Mistake, I would Never Recommend Under Any Circumstance to give a Statement to the Police Without a Attorney Present.
I told him as i told you, He asked why I brought a gun to the back yard? wtf I informed him repeatedly that I had my weapon still on me from the evening and had not removed it had a ccl and was on my fenced property in Texas, he went down the road as if I had picked up my weapon to go confront the neighbor of his dogs then made it out to be some long standing Feud. wtf this is unreal, nothing could be farther than the truth, I was at a funeral of a women who's husband is a recently retire police officer, Im the good guy, he and all of them are and were drunk, wtf, they life flight the guy guess he felt linked a few times but was to survive, wtf. Im informed I'm in serious trouble. omg what?
Now this is not a 5 something am on Sunday. Im put back in a cell and now getting scared. Collect call phone in cell as I call some family members to what going to to get me out, Sunday there no judges to charge you so you have to sit until they get out of church and have sunday dinner I'm informed, omg i can't believe this, know body to answer any questions. nothing, my back to hurts so I get someone and my forehead had a goos egg on it were it hit the ground, they took pictures of my back and forehead, my back was blak and blue from shoulders to mid back. wtf. I sit all day sin day as my family trys to locate a attorney and or bail bondsman to get me out. Finally late afternoon a female tyuged i overheard on the phone called another judge on the phone and they or the da charged me the Attempted Murder and three other G offense. omfg. and set my bail at $100,000.
I was fortunate to have a friend to me on to a high power high end very expensive attorney, I dint know how these thing work as I have Never Been in Trouble In My Life, I had a 20 years in a corporation in a field of some media exposure.
Attorney make a call and Im out of jail on a $100,000 bail on Sunday Night still covered in Blood. nice scene.
Try sleeping after this, Monday comes I call my corporate HQ as I work from home and travel and inform them ill be taking that day off. ok my corp had been sold by a long time family ownership to a big time Corporation, a while latter hq call me and a HR person was on the phone to me that they had receive "calls" and I was placed on admin, leave without pay, wtf, i then took the time to tell the story toe my Long time coworker then superior old friend, but the HR overruled, then I nee to get downtown to meet with this attorney, family in turmoil, wtf is going on, why m I in trouble.
Ok, meet attorny , good ol Texas Cowboy attorney big time, need the 10% of the $100,000 and $70,000 more and you won't do time. and we need this Now to move forward.HUH?
wft? alright I didn't do anything wrong so this has to work out, gotta ponie up $70,000 to stay out of jai.
continued tomorrow I'm tired this is juts gettting started
sorry writing is not my forte, i will try to clean it up.
BigSlick
New member
Okay. Let me see if I get this right. You were attacked/assaulted on your own property and you shot the person attacking you. You were then arrested and charged with several felonies and all this happened in 2009? Did the DA drop the charges or did they try to prosecute you. Did you get your day in court? What was the finale outcome?
Hind sight is always 20/20 and it sounds pretty scary what they put you through but you learned the hard way to never talk to the police (they are not your friends) or make a statement until you have consulted with an attorney that is fluent in self defense shootings. If I had been in that situation I would have taken the 5th, asked for my attorney and kept my mouth shut.
Hind sight is always 20/20 and it sounds pretty scary what they put you through but you learned the hard way to never talk to the police (they are not your friends) or make a statement until you have consulted with an attorney that is fluent in self defense shootings. If I had been in that situation I would have taken the 5th, asked for my attorney and kept my mouth shut.
That sums it up pretty well
The Saga Continues.
Monday morn I get up and check the alleged crime scene, not taped off or seem to be any evidence gathering.
I brought out my camera and started taking pictures, I looked over the fence and they had been standing on the hood of a garden tractor another Beers were still were they left them.
So I take my pictures and my wife to the attorney that Monday and he has a high end Retired cop detective to do the investigation, we both give statements.
Investigator follows us home to take his own pictures and measure and map the hole scene.
Now were hearing that the bad guys are saying I called him over to fight and when he came over I shot him. wtf. nothing farther from the truth. and None of the Evidence added up to support there story.
911 tape is still not available yet?
Now Tuesday my calls her x to inform him so he wouldn't see it on the news, he's ok. then picks up his boys for visitation and goes to his attorney and a Judge slaps some kinda of he gets to keep them and she has No visitation, wtf again. so the only way she can visit is if I am not living in the house.
So both our homes are sold and moved out and I have No Job and No place to live.
Ok the plan from the attorney is to lsat the dust settle and talk no No Media.
Attorney informs me based on the evidence that matched our statements we should be able to get out of this.
In a way I was confident as i was so sure I had done nothing wrong.
Some time goes by and the DA starts dropping charges. They all new wtf happened and couldn't make it stick.
So then Im informed its going to go to a Gran Jury. omg, wtf, but again Im confident.
Wife is a well respected First officer with a federal Badge, Star witness should be able to stop it there.
No, The Grand jury was sympathetic to his injury's wtf? its going to go to trial.
Still have not been able to aquaria the 911 recordings?
Ag Assaut with a Deadly Weapon, 20 Years if Im convicted . omg my world is falling down around me.
Im now getting vibes from my employer of being terminated, omg. Im well respected in my industry in some media and all know I'm not "That Guy".
My attorney fires off a letter to my employer informing them Im there Good guy and this will work out.
The day before Thanksgiving the Corp. parasite calls me and thanks me for my 20.5 years of service and heres a couple months severance or if I contest I get nothing, never even got my 20 year pin. parasites only accomplishment was a Miserable failed stock block chevy indy program.
Times going buy, tried to buy a house, had stellar credit and bunch of home equity money and then all the sudden they drop us? wtf? here the financiers find out I have "Pending Charges" crap.
Same thing trying to get a job, You have pandering charges.
Credit card co drops me for the same reason. wtf?
Now by the time this gets to trial is 1 Year and 5 Months.
My marriage has now fallen apart and as we went to buy a house with My Home Equity Money my wife told me she was concerned if we get sued we may lose the home so I needed to sign away my property rights to her. Big Mistake.
She was supplied My Money then closed on the house behind my back then served my with divorce papers. wtf? omg again.
Nice. so now Im out a Job a House a wife and have been swindled out of my home equity money and my Star witness is divorcing.
She holds the key to e going away for 20 years.
911 tape is finally obtained by my attorney, two labs could not pull the information off because it had been record over so many times,wtf
The whole thing is stinkin.
So the deal from the Da was 5 year of Deferred Adjudication or 20 Years if convicted.
Ya Im a wreck after a year and a half and losing almost everything.
Came down to if I could hold up on the stand.
I just couldn't trust my now x and didn't gamble and took the deal of 5 years Deferred Adjudication.
So in all this time we find out about my attacker, he has a prior dui, as a reputation from school as being a Super Jock bully who drinks beer and want to beat people up. nice guy.
Then the civil suit comes. Oh Boy, I have nothing to lose so lets go to trail.
Now we find out 13 Months after the incident this guy and him same buddy went to a females house DRUNK, They forced there way in and assault two male occupants.Nice
Thats this guys MO is to get drunk and beat people. he was charge with assault, public into and forced entry. Nice guy hu?
Under Oath and Video deposition and questions by my attorney he Told All and they Paid us to Go Away. I was furious as I want to got to trial as the monetray about to me was nothing compared to my loss thats up to $350,000 and a career loss.
So my profession was extensive travel and I am under all the rules of a felon on probation, I can't travel for profession now and have no idea what to do to make a living.
Moving and trying to rent, that al do back ground checks and Im a bad guy on paper.
Then under supervision a officer has to come out and inspect were your going to live for approval. ok when the officer meets a landlord and informs them of me carp again.
Finally found a farm to rent a log cabin in the Carolinas with some good country folk.
I have No Conviction but was turned down for jobs
I have just Successfully completed the Five Years, I did try twice for early release but the judges turned me down based on how bad I hurt my attacker.
I will meet anyone in a public place and provide the mountain of court and attorney paperwork if this is a question.
Couple more details
The funeral that I attended the night of the incident was the wife of a recently retired Police officer of a Large Texas city,
son #1 was and is currently a officer, detective in the same department. son #2 worked for me for two years
A few days after the incident we got together for dinner with me and my wife, went over the whole thing.
Current cop was like wtf. What they did was not protocol in his Big Texas City department.
He told me if he was on sight the program was to disarm me, take me inside my home and talk about this, I stay home and they go back to the police station and see what the heck to do. Great I had small town bunch a guns pointed at me,cross fire crazy.
One Sargent in his report stated he was pulling the trigger on his Benellie shot gun. I have a very difficult time reading how close I was to being shot and killed by the police.
yes I do have this written report.
Then I had a social acquaintance of one of the Town Officers, Nice guy, bro down with him, He was not on duty that night, great.
So I run into this officer at asocial function of mutual friends and we talk of this.
He stated when he heard of the incident it took him a seemed to recognize the naming it was me. He new me and said he didn't believe from the beginning that i would have been the bad guy.
Then he told me that They (meaning the town cops) new what really happened and what the truth was, Oh Great can it get any better?
Having to have to report to a supervisor/parole office/probation officer for the last five years has been a treat. a monthly deal until they may access you as low risk and file a computer report.
I had Seven different officers to report to and everyone once they read the report looked at me and asked "This Happened in Texas?" "This Happened in Your Yard?"
"What Are You In Trouble For?" wtf.
We all need up getting along quit well and they said Hey there is nothing they can do just be good and do the time.
The funeral that I attended the night of the incident was the wife of a recently retired Police officer of a Large Texas city,
son #1 was and is currently a officer, detective in the same department. son #2 worked for me for two years
A few days after the incident we got together for dinner with me and my wife, went over the whole thing.
Current cop was like wtf. What they did was not protocol in his Big Texas City department.
He told me if he was on sight the program was to disarm me, take me inside my home and talk about this, I stay home and they go back to the police station and see what the heck to do. Great I had small town bunch a guns pointed at me,cross fire crazy.
One Sargent in his report stated he was pulling the trigger on his Benellie shot gun. I have a very difficult time reading how close I was to being shot and killed by the police.
yes I do have this written report.
Then I had a social acquaintance of one of the Town Officers, Nice guy, bro down with him, He was not on duty that night, great.
So I run into this officer at asocial function of mutual friends and we talk of this.
He stated when he heard of the incident it took him a seemed to recognize the naming it was me. He new me and said he didn't believe from the beginning that i would have been the bad guy.
Then he told me that They (meaning the town cops) new what really happened and what the truth was, Oh Great can it get any better?
Having to have to report to a supervisor/parole office/probation officer for the last five years has been a treat. a monthly deal until they may access you as low risk and file a computer report.
I had Seven different officers to report to and everyone once they read the report looked at me and asked "This Happened in Texas?" "This Happened in Your Yard?"
"What Are You In Trouble For?" wtf.
We all need up getting along quit well and they said Hey there is nothing they can do just be good and do the time.
Oh the Press and the Media, aren't they lovely as they can't get a fact correct.
So i did a search on myself several months after I took the deal.
Seems the Big City news paper ran a story that was "according to police reports" not even close. omg they stated I had the dogs and he had party that my dogs were interrupting and he came over to talk to me and I shot him and I was apparently intoxicated. wtf again.
So I got the name of the reporter and called the paper, I was informed by a rude person that she was now gone and that I had Pled Guilty so tuff **** they weren't going to correct the story. Good work
Even nicer the News Paper Article was posted on a forum by someone I used to know in my industry, net is great, there forever I guess
So i did a search on myself several months after I took the deal.
Seems the Big City news paper ran a story that was "according to police reports" not even close. omg they stated I had the dogs and he had party that my dogs were interrupting and he came over to talk to me and I shot him and I was apparently intoxicated. wtf again.
So I got the name of the reporter and called the paper, I was informed by a rude person that she was now gone and that I had Pled Guilty so tuff **** they weren't going to correct the story. Good work
Even nicer the News Paper Article was posted on a forum by someone I used to know in my industry, net is great, there forever I guess
AmericanHero!
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Too hard to read.
Real shame it is too hard for you to read. You would have have learned a lot about how corrupt our government has become. No words can tell you how sorry i am for your suffering shootist, other than to apologize for some stupid comments on here to you.
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AmericanHero!
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If you want someone to read that then you have to put some structure and better punctuation in it. I can't even take someone seriously if they can't be bothered to learn how to communicate in writing. No offense Shootist but that's elementary school stuff.
I don't need to read it to know how corrupt my government is. Is that what it's about, corrupt government?
No. the writing is a adhd thing. I was born this way, didn't do well in structured school. was told by leftist teachers I would fail and never amount to anything. nice huh?
I excelled in creating winners in motorsports of a very high level, ya the whole dream job, paid to do what others pay to see.
Worked my way to the upper percentile, pilot trophy wife, all the toys, the whole worked hard and ye may obtain, not bad for a Tard who can't write Huh?
No, not a corrupt government thing, just a what happened to me thing.
Maybe a what I did wrong thing and hope others may learn from my experience.
JCliff
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OP and the event described highlights a couple of good learning points:
1. Your world will be turned upside-down following a shooting, and that’s if everything about it was absolutely righteous and in accordance with the law. If any element of it wasn’t, your life will go downhill even faster and bottom out much deeper.
2. Especially while armed, NEVER initiate a confrontation or initiate contact that would likely lead to a confrontation. If you become involved in a situation that is escalating towards a confrontation you should seek to de-escalate and withdraw immediately if at all possible. It’s absolutely not about who’s tougher or whose gonads are bigger and brassier or even who’s right. It’s about one of the cardinal rules of successful gunfights in the civilian sector----AVOID THE GUNFIGHT/GUNPLAY ENTIRELY!!
3. If I understood the narrative presented correctly, there were several opportunities to just retreat to the house, lock the door, and decide how to handle this with the neighbor. Meeting with drunken belligerence at the fence was the first and best time to retreat. Once safely inside at that point, you have options, all much better than shooting someone:
a) call the police and file a noise complaint.
b) call your neighbor and try to work it out then.
c) wait until tomorrow and take it up with your neighbor then (maybe with the police present).
-Meeting with drunken belligerence and threatening speech was DEFINITELY the time to retreat. Get safely inside, call the police.
-Meeting with drunken belligerence, threatening speech, and overt threatening behavior (neighbor up on the fence, one leg over, etc.):
Make an expeditious retreat to the house, facing the threat, until safely inside. Verbalize “we’re going inside, leave us alone, don’t follow.” Let them hoot & holler. Call the police and file a complaint. At that point in time, it is probable Mr. Tough-guy neighbor just might have ended up under arrest for disorderly conduct and menacing behavior.
A little arm-chair analysis here, but I'm convinced, based on the narrative given, that it could have been avoided and handled differently at significantly less risk. According to the narrative as given, I don't think he should have been convicted, but I can certainly understand an arrest and charges. When they first arrive on the scene, the police see someone has been shot and that you were the shooter. With no video to corroborate the action as described, the police are going to go on what they can find out from many disputing witnesses. That may not always come out in your favor. Doesn't automatically mean they're corrupt. Just wrong. It can be exceedingly difficult proving you were right. Hence the advice to proactively avoid the gunplay if at all possible.
1. Your world will be turned upside-down following a shooting, and that’s if everything about it was absolutely righteous and in accordance with the law. If any element of it wasn’t, your life will go downhill even faster and bottom out much deeper.
2. Especially while armed, NEVER initiate a confrontation or initiate contact that would likely lead to a confrontation. If you become involved in a situation that is escalating towards a confrontation you should seek to de-escalate and withdraw immediately if at all possible. It’s absolutely not about who’s tougher or whose gonads are bigger and brassier or even who’s right. It’s about one of the cardinal rules of successful gunfights in the civilian sector----AVOID THE GUNFIGHT/GUNPLAY ENTIRELY!!
3. If I understood the narrative presented correctly, there were several opportunities to just retreat to the house, lock the door, and decide how to handle this with the neighbor. Meeting with drunken belligerence at the fence was the first and best time to retreat. Once safely inside at that point, you have options, all much better than shooting someone:
a) call the police and file a noise complaint.
b) call your neighbor and try to work it out then.
c) wait until tomorrow and take it up with your neighbor then (maybe with the police present).
-Meeting with drunken belligerence and threatening speech was DEFINITELY the time to retreat. Get safely inside, call the police.
-Meeting with drunken belligerence, threatening speech, and overt threatening behavior (neighbor up on the fence, one leg over, etc.):
Make an expeditious retreat to the house, facing the threat, until safely inside. Verbalize “we’re going inside, leave us alone, don’t follow.” Let them hoot & holler. Call the police and file a complaint. At that point in time, it is probable Mr. Tough-guy neighbor just might have ended up under arrest for disorderly conduct and menacing behavior.
A little arm-chair analysis here, but I'm convinced, based on the narrative given, that it could have been avoided and handled differently at significantly less risk. According to the narrative as given, I don't think he should have been convicted, but I can certainly understand an arrest and charges. When they first arrive on the scene, the police see someone has been shot and that you were the shooter. With no video to corroborate the action as described, the police are going to go on what they can find out from many disputing witnesses. That may not always come out in your favor. Doesn't automatically mean they're corrupt. Just wrong. It can be exceedingly difficult proving you were right. Hence the advice to proactively avoid the gunplay if at all possible.
AmericanHero!
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Okay man. I think I understand and truely no offense meant. I will try to take the time to work through your story though i'm not a big nascar or motocross guy.
Best to you.
Its all good, I've grown a pretty thick skin.
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