The badge issue has been beaten to death on many other forums and threads and almost universally considered a bad idea. Forget about them. The SC CWP covers a handgun less than 12" along its maximun measurement and nothing else. Pepper spray, tasers are legal and require no permit. Other devices such as knives and batons are covered under other laws.
New South Carolina Bill Would Allow Guns On School Property
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Aggressive1
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I still don't see where I can keep up with the updates on when they will vote on it, etc. I have the link for the bill saved so I can check it but I can't tell from that whether it'll be a year or what until we know the result.
I hate waiting....on day 2 since CWP received by SLED....argh.
I hate waiting....on day 2 since CWP received by SLED....argh.
Red Hat
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You can check on the current status here. Bill Information - South Carolina Legislature Online
01/29/09 Senate Introduced and read first time SJ-5
01/29/09 Senate Referred to Committee on Judiciary SJ-5
02/02/09 Senate Referred to Subcommittee: Knotts (ch), Massey, Coleman
01/29/09 Senate Introduced and read first time SJ-5
01/29/09 Senate Referred to Committee on Judiciary SJ-5
02/02/09 Senate Referred to Subcommittee: Knotts (ch), Massey, Coleman
It is Senate bill S-347
This first link shows the present status of the bill. :hang3:
Bill Information - South Carolina Legislature Online
From that link you can see that it has been referred to a Senate Subcommittee chaired by Sen. Jake Knotts who is not a big gun supporter.:fie:
02/02/09 Senate Referred to Subcommittee: Knotts (ch), Massey, Coleman
You can follow the status of that subcommittee here on the meetings schedule for the Senate and look for a subcommittee on S-347. :yu:
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As you can tell it has not been even scheduled for a subcommittee session yet. Once it gets out of subcommittee they can either send it to the full Judiciary committee or to the Senate floor with the OK of the full committee. Once that happens it will be placed on the Senate calendar.
leasantry:
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After it is placed on the calendar it is anyone's guess when they will actually discuss it and may be sent back to committee or whatever.:man_in_love:
Once it passes thre Senate the whole thing starts over in the House.:angry:
South Carolina Legislature Online
Since the legislative session is two years they have until June 2010 to actually act on this so don't get too excited.
This first link shows the present status of the bill. :hang3:
Bill Information - South Carolina Legislature Online
From that link you can see that it has been referred to a Senate Subcommittee chaired by Sen. Jake Knotts who is not a big gun supporter.:fie:
02/02/09 Senate Referred to Subcommittee: Knotts (ch), Massey, Coleman
You can follow the status of that subcommittee here on the meetings schedule for the Senate and look for a subcommittee on S-347. :yu:
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As you can tell it has not been even scheduled for a subcommittee session yet. Once it gets out of subcommittee they can either send it to the full Judiciary committee or to the Senate floor with the OK of the full committee. Once that happens it will be placed on the Senate calendar.
leasantry:Link Removed
After it is placed on the calendar it is anyone's guess when they will actually discuss it and may be sent back to committee or whatever.:man_in_love:
Once it passes thre Senate the whole thing starts over in the House.:angry:
South Carolina Legislature Online
Since the legislative session is two years they have until June 2010 to actually act on this so don't get too excited.
Aggressive1
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Thanks....I guess I can assume my kids will be out of school by the time it passes :cray:
AllAmerican
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A very strict reading of the law says that they must notify you that they are denying it wiithin 90 days but it doesn't actually say that they have to issue it in the 90 days. It just says that if they don't notify you within 90 days they have to go ahead and issue it sometime later. I know it is splitting hairs but........:jester: Notice that is says from the time it was received, not from the time you mailed it or took the course. :neo: There is some grey area here and I dount that a judge is going to find SLED in violation for taking 92 days or that the mailman takes his sweet time getting it to your mailbox. :dirol:
If they fail to notify you and issue a permit but later find out that you were a mass murderer then they can reposses it.
Which is why I stated that when they cash your check, the time starts. You know they have received it. I agree the jodge is probably not gonna bust sled for it being 92 days. However, the law says 90 days. They have to issue the permit.
Again, in the past few months, everyone I know has gotten their permit. ALL of them within 90 days from the time the check was cashed. Not to mention I got people. LOL
CUProf
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The restaurant section is long over due, and FN1910 - I got my SC CWP right after 9/11 and got mine back inside the 90 days. I cant imagine that SLED and the FBI are more busy now than back then.
The school grounds carry part however... the only part of that worries me some, is if SC gains more reciprocal states such as MS, there is no training program required. So they may have a clean background but as long as they pay their money they can carry unsafe and improperly without "knowing" it. School kids aren't unobservant, and for "fun" may cause the carrier troubles. This would be a very rare case, but something to think about.
The school grounds carry part however... the only part of that worries me some, is if SC gains more reciprocal states such as MS, there is no training program required. So they may have a clean background but as long as they pay their money they can carry unsafe and improperly without "knowing" it. School kids aren't unobservant, and for "fun" may cause the carrier troubles. This would be a very rare case, but something to think about.
Actually from what I hear CWP classes anbd gun sales are at an all time high. I checked out Bud's Gus Shop listing the other day and they are out of everything seems like.
You bring up the point about getting a CWP without any training and with that comment you can really open a can of worms so I am not going to comment on it.
GeneralSumter
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Resurrecting the thread... i just emailed my state senator, Paul Campbell, regarding his intent to support or reject this bill. Here's what I wrote (in case any of you other SC-ians want to use it):
Subject: S.347 - I SUPPORT Concealed Weapon Permit Holder Rights
Senator Campbell,
As your constituent, I’m writing you regarding senate bill 347; regarding the right of concealed weapon permit (CWP) holders to keep a weapon inside the vehicle on school grounds and the right to carry the weapon inside a restaurant (not at the bar) where alcohol is served.
First, I support this bill and as my representation in the state senate, I would like you to support its passage as well, when the time comes to vote.
The denial of this bill will not serve to dissuade non-law-abiding citizens, since they are law-breakers anyway. Rather, passage of this bill would reduce the inconvenience imposed on lawful CWP holders by allowing them to pick-up their children from school while in possession of a legal weapon, without having to either 1) break the law, or 2) travel home to drop off the weapon before picking up the child.
Additionally, the right to carry a weapon into a restaurant with a bar (though not permitted at the bar) would also benefit the lawful citizen both defensively and by not leaving a weapon unattended in a vehicle for extended periods of time (one hour or more).
Please contact me regarding your intent to support or reject this bill. Thank you.
Subject: S.347 - I SUPPORT Concealed Weapon Permit Holder Rights
Senator Campbell,
As your constituent, I’m writing you regarding senate bill 347; regarding the right of concealed weapon permit (CWP) holders to keep a weapon inside the vehicle on school grounds and the right to carry the weapon inside a restaurant (not at the bar) where alcohol is served.
First, I support this bill and as my representation in the state senate, I would like you to support its passage as well, when the time comes to vote.
The denial of this bill will not serve to dissuade non-law-abiding citizens, since they are law-breakers anyway. Rather, passage of this bill would reduce the inconvenience imposed on lawful CWP holders by allowing them to pick-up their children from school while in possession of a legal weapon, without having to either 1) break the law, or 2) travel home to drop off the weapon before picking up the child.
Additionally, the right to carry a weapon into a restaurant with a bar (though not permitted at the bar) would also benefit the lawful citizen both defensively and by not leaving a weapon unattended in a vehicle for extended periods of time (one hour or more).
Please contact me regarding your intent to support or reject this bill. Thank you.
S.347 is dead but has been replace with S.593. S.593 is the same bil except without the restaurant part and was passed by the full judiciary committee yesterday and set to the Senate to be placed on the calendar. Now if we can get them to actually bring it up for a vote and pass the full Senate it will be a big hurdle. If it makes it through the Senate it should pass the House with much less problem.
Sen. Shane Martin introduced S.593 when he realized that S.347 was going to die in committee with the restaurant attachment.
For the latest on S.593 check here.
2009-2010 Bill 593: Weapons - South Carolina Legislature Online
Sen. Shane Martin introduced S.593 when he realized that S.347 was going to die in committee with the restaurant attachment.
For the latest on S.593 check here.
2009-2010 Bill 593: Weapons - South Carolina Legislature Online
bigspurr
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Red Hat
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Time to fire off some emails! The only part of the bill that I really was interested in was the Restaurant Carry. We need both not just the School part!
2009-2010 Bill 593: Weapons - South Carolina Legislature Online
Good and bad news. S.593 has been read for the second time in the Senate is to m0ove on to third reading and a vote. This could possibly happen tomorrow.
SENATE JOURNAL - South Carolina Legislature Online
Now the bad news. It was amended on the floor to say that you can have a gun in your car as long as you hae a CWP but the gun must be in your console, glove box, trunk etc.
This means that when you drive onto the school grounds you will have to put it in the console rather than keeping it in your holster. I expect it to pass the Senate now and also the House. This is not what we wanted but it is a start.
I am afraid that the resturant carry bill is either dead or on life support with someone waiting to pull the plug.
Good and bad news. S.593 has been read for the second time in the Senate is to m0ove on to third reading and a vote. This could possibly happen tomorrow.
SENATE JOURNAL - South Carolina Legislature Online
Now the bad news. It was amended on the floor to say that you can have a gun in your car as long as you hae a CWP but the gun must be in your console, glove box, trunk etc.
This means that when you drive onto the school grounds you will have to put it in the console rather than keeping it in your holster. I expect it to pass the Senate now and also the House. This is not what we wanted but it is a start.
I am afraid that the resturant carry bill is either dead or on life support with someone waiting to pull the plug.
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