New residents with permit from another state

[mackpilot532]

Hi all,

I just moved to PA from Wisconsin. I have a WI resident concealed carry permit. It shows my previous address in Wisconsin. Since moving here, I now have established residency in the keystone state. My Driver's license is now PA as well. Am I allowed to carry concealed with my previous WI permit, or do I need to apply for a PA permit?

Thanks!

 

[vernsimpson]

Wisconsin does not issue non-resident permits. I believe your Wisconsin permit is now invalid since you have established residency in PA. Which means that you need to apply for a PA permit to "legally" carry.

 

[kwc]

PA residents may ONLY carry with a PA License to Carry Firearms (LTCF). Even if you have a non-resident license from another state, PA won't let you use it to carry. Sorry!

Per the Commonwealth vs. McKown ruling, PA residents cannot carry on a license from another state, regardless of reciprocity. Here's a good layperson's summary, with a link to the Superior court decision:

New Ruling in Pennsylvania on Reciprocity and Second Amendment | Shall Not Be Questioned

Here's another thread that goes into more depth:

The Commonwealth v. McKown Aftermath…. | Prince Law Offices, P.C.

 

[SR9]

Mark,
No you can't carry in PA on a Wi permit. You are no longer a WI resident. The good news is , if you get a PA concealed carry permit you can carry in WI. if you go back for a visit.

 

[gunholsterdepot]

All this stuff would be so much easier if every state just agreed with the 2nd amendment and we could all carry in every state ..with or w/o a permit

 

[XD40scinNC]

Sounds like a question for the AG of PA.

State laws vary, but if you move to NC and establish residency, you can still carry as long as your previous states permit is still valid. The mileage in other states will vary.

 

[jrs]

Go online and print an application. You should have no problem getting a permit in PA. I live in NY and sometimes cross into PA while on business, so after PA stopped honoring Non-Resident Permits, we simply went to the closest Sheriff's Office and the whole thing could not have been easier. All we needed to do was present the completed application along with our NY resident permit....and fee. About 15 minutes later, after they did a quick background check, my wife and I both walked out with our PA Non-Resident Permits. I can't imagine you'll have much of a problem, given you already have a permit from another state. I forgot to mention that the Sheriff in each county issues CCW permits.

 

[SR9]

Gunholsterdepot
There are currently 4 bills in committee before Congress to make Constitutional reciprocity between the law. they are Senate Bill 498, House resolutions 402,923, and 986. All bills are either in the Judiciary Committee, or Homeland Security Committee. They have mostly Republican co-sponsors and a few Democrat co-sponsors. But, unless we get rid of a Democrat Presidency, and maintain or increase the Republican Congress and Presidency none of this will happen. I have heard several on this forum with opposition to these bills, but I ask you to read each of them, for what they actually say, instead of what others think they mean, for your self. I have been keeping readers advised of these bills on the thread called "National Reciprocity". The "Nay Sayers" are loud but few. One of the benefits of these bills is it would eliminate the need for multiple state permits. Your home state would be all you would need. It is not a "new federal permit" that you would need to purchase, it has no prevision for additional registration. It does however, keep states laws on the books when carrying in that state, so if you live in one state and travel to another state you would abide by their concealed carry laws. You would still be covered by the Federal Firearms Transportation Act when traveling THROUGH states with no Concealed Carry Permits on the books at all. Of course if a state does not issue permits ( as in legal concealed or open carry being legal there legal) you would be ok. This would not have any effect on states that make concealed carry illegal in there states, it would still be illegal. As it is now, you would have to know the laws of the states you travel to or through. But, wouldn't it be great to be able to carry nationwide with only you home state permit, and not have to pay for additional/multiple permits that you may seldom use. I have 2 permits, 1 from my home state, and 1 from another state. I have never been back to the non-resident state I have the permit with since I got it, but have used it to travel to other states that do not honor my home state. These bills would eliminate that added expense and renewal hassle.

 

[BluesStringer]

All this stuff would be so much easier if every state just agreed with the 2nd amendment and we could all carry in every state ..with or w/o a permit

Don't listen to the prattle of SR9 above. You suggested the correct part of the Constitution to base full 50-state reciprocity on, the 2nd Amendment. SR9 has been shown many times that every single one of the federal bills he shills for is based on the Commerce Clause, perhaps the most egregiously-bastardized clause/amendment of the entire document. And that bastardization always, 100% of the time, inures to more power for the federal government and less liberty for The People, but SR9 doesn't care. He lives in a state where reciprocity is highly limited, so he shills for these liberty-killing bills for selfish reasons only.

And let us no forget HR402 with 70 co-sponsors:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/402/related-bills

From the link:

By Mr. NUGENT:
H.R. 402.
Congress has the power to enact this legislation pursuant
to the following:
The Commerce Clause in Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of
the United States Constitution.

With friends like those who support these usurping bills, who needs the Brady Bunch or the Mommies?

And for probably the 10th time or more, SR9 has co-opted another thread to shill for more Commerce Clause expansion. He hates the Constitution, hates the 2nd Amendment, hates states' rights and state sovereignty, loves collectivism, progressivism, globalism and liberalism, all while being a leftist wolf in RINO-sheep's clothing.

Ye shall know them by their fruits....

Blues

 

[kwc]

Oh boy. Here we go again.

May I respectfully suggest we simply consider the OP's original question answered, and leave it at that.

 

[mackpilot532]

Thanks so much to everyone that contributed to the original question. I greatly appreciate the factual articles and links provided by kwc and the first-hand experience contributed by jrs. I agree with what others have said, it's most beneficial to all readers when replies answer the original question. Don't use any available opportunity to proclaim your cause, regardless of its merits. It's easy enough to gather an audience by creating a topic for whatever ideas you wish to propagate. Such tactics only portray desperation and cause those not familiar to the argument agree more with those whom you call "nay-sayers."

 

[BluesStringer]

Oh boy. Here we go again.

May I respectfully suggest we simply consider the OP's original question answered, and leave it at that.

And ye shall know you by Link Removed too.

And bad fruit should always be combined with bovine excrement, composted, and tilled into the ground where it can fertilize the growth and replenishment of good fruit. As that truthful and accurate "good fruit" says, it is still true six months later that, "You're trying to squelch talk of what the bill is based on, and distract to the ...[unrelated blather]... which it isn't based on. Why?" The "why" question is also given a rational, logical hypothesis answer at the bottom of the second link.

I'm glad that the OP got his question answered. Not being from the NE, and really having no reason to ever visit there again, I refrained from addressing his original question since others on this site are better-qualified and more interested than I in what goes on up there. I did, however, read the thread as it progressed, and I found another in a long line of instances where SR9 posted just to shill for bills that maintain very nearly universal opposition from the most active membership here. Said opposition has manifested in the thread linked to above, with the notable exception of kwc neither supporting or opposing the legislation in question, but simply muddying the waters with the "unrelated blather" referred to in brackets above.

Regardless of the intended topic of the thread, when bovine excrement is posted it should be countered. That was my intent regarding SR9's post, and now kwc's post. Sorry for the interruption(s), but kwc has no special authority, or even credibility, in asserting that he knows best how folks should (or should not) discuss things around here.

Blues

 

[kwc]

As the OP stated, "it's most beneficial to all readers when replies answer the original question."

Clearly no one is stopping anyone from hijacking a thread, and of course I have no delusions of possessing any special authority regarding what can or cannot be discussed or to squelch dialogue.

Mine was a simple recommendation, a respectful appeal, offered in the interest of helping the OP in his first post on this forum and seeking to avoid expansion into a debate on a topic that has nothing to do with the question posed.

...but simply muddying the waters with the "unrelated blather" referred to in brackets above.

Oh the irony.

I'm done.

 

[DavidWhite]

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262: “If the state converts a liberty into a privilege, the citizen can engage in the right with impunity.”

 

[mackpilot532]

How can I close comments to this thread? My question is answered and I'm sick of reading senseless typing by BluesStringer. BluesStringer, When you can provide an actual argument for whatever you're talking about, maybe then I'll at least feel like researching it. Anytime someone says things like the following immediately makes me question your maturity level. Seriously, what is that? It's definitely not logical or rational as you claim.

"And bad fruit should always be combined with bovine excrement, composted, and tilled into the ground where it can fertilize the growth and replenishment of good fruit. As that truthful and accurate "good fruit" says, it is still true six months later that, "You're trying to squelch talk of what the bill is based on, and distract to the ...[unrelated blather]... which it isn't based on. Why?" The "why" question is also given a rational, logical hypothesis answer at the bottom of the second link. "

 

[BluesStringer]

How can I close comments to this thread?

You can PM lukem and ask him to do one of two things, either make you a moderator with locking/deleting authority, which I don't think you're likely to get very far with, or report any post or thread you think violates rules here and ask him to delete them based on the violation of those rules. To report a post or thread, simply click on the little triangle with an exclamation point in it next to the words/link, "Blog this Post" in the lower left hand corner of any post you feel is offensive enough to bother the owner of the site with. Personally, I don't think you're going to get much satisfaction going that route either, but lukem has surprised me before, so go for it if it floats your boat.

Otherwise, if neither of those options work for you, you can just keep posting whining about not understanding stuff that wasn't even addressed to you. That too you can do to your heart's content if'n it floats your boat.

Always glad to help answer questions for the newbs. Feel free to ask anytime.

Blues

 

[XD40scinNC]

How can I close comments to this thread? My question is answered and I'm sick of reading senseless typing by BluesStringer. BluesStringer, When you can provide an actual argument for whatever you're talking about, maybe then I'll at least feel like researching it. Anytime someone says things like the following immediately makes me question your maturity level. Seriously, what is that? It's definitely not logical or rational as you claim.

"And bad fruit should always be combined with bovine excrement, composted, and tilled into the ground where it can fertilize the growth and replenishment of good fruit. As that truthful and accurate "good fruit" says, it is still true six months later that, "You're trying to squelch talk of what the bill is based on, and distract to the ...[unrelated blather]... which it isn't based on. Why?" The "why" question is also given a rational, logical hypothesis answer at the bottom of the second link. "

With a total of 3 posts under your belt, all in this thread, you don't seem terribly vested in participating on this forum. You could simply close the tab in your browser.

It should also be noted that asking legal advise on a public forum from anonymous strangers isn't really the best choice.

 

[kwc]

Mark, there are a lot of helpful people on usacarry.com, but an obnoxious and very vocal minority can certainly get in the way of your experience here.

One option is to simply block the offenders by visiting their profile pages on the usacarry.com web site and selecting "add to ignore list." This feature blocks their posts from view in Tapatalk as well, if you use that on a mobile platform. You'll see that they posted, but the content will be hidden from view unless you selectively choose to unhide it.

Since you're in PA (my legal residence as well), be sure to visit pafoa.org. They run a well-moderated forum with knowledgable and friendly members, including a real attorney who understands PA firearm laws.

By the way, welcome to the usacarry.com forum.

 

[Pitbull11]

Not the same in Texas, they honor both my non resident Florida and Nevada CCW permits. All I had to do was to a address change with Florida and Nevada. I was glad they did because I was tired of spending $ on CCW permits.

 

[Pitbull11]

K

Gunholsterdepot
There are currently 4 bills in committee before Congress to make Constitutional reciprocity between the law. they are Senate Bill 498, House resolutions 402,923, and 986. All bills are either in the Judiciary Committee, or Homeland Security Committee. They have mostly Republican co-sponsors and a few Democrat co-sponsors. But, unless we get rid of a Democrat Presidency, and maintain or increase the Republican Congress and Presidency none of this will happen. I have heard several on this forum with opposition to these bills, but I ask you to read each of them, for what they actually say, instead of what others think they mean, for your self. I have been keeping readers advised of these bills on the thread called "National Reciprocity". The "Nay Sayers" are loud but few. One of the benefits of these bills is it would eliminate the need for multiple state permits. Your home state would be all you would need. It is not a "new federal permit" that you would need to purchase, it has no prevision for additional registration. It does however, keep states laws on the books when carrying in that state, so if you live in one state and travel to another state you would abide by their concealed carry laws. You would still be covered by the Federal Firearms Transportation Act when traveling THROUGH states with no Concealed Carry Permits on the books at all. Of course if a state does not issue permits ( as in legal concealed or open carry being legal there legal) you would be ok. This would not have any effect on states that make concealed carry illegal in there states, it would still be illegal. As it is now, you would have to know the laws of the states you travel to or through. But, wouldn't it be great to be able to carry nationwide with only you home state permit, and not have to pay for additional/multiple permits that you may seldom use. I have 2 permits, 1 from my home state, and 1 from another state. I have never been back to the non-resident state I have the permit with since I got it, but have used it to travel to other states that do not honor my home state. These bills would eliminate that added expense and renewal hassle.

My home state Tx recognizes my Fla. and NV permits and I don't need a Tx. Permit to carry in my resident state of Tx. How would these bills help/hurt my current situation. The reason I have not gotten a Texas CHL is that the Fla. CCW is good for more years then the Texas permit and does the same thing for me in Texas.