New Ne CCW Permit Holder

[beau dandy]

I got my Ne concealed carry permit the first of the year and am a little paranoid now to carry due to all the video's out there on law enforcement encounters. I haven't carried yet due to I haven't found the right cc holster I'm thinking on trying the flashbang. (Oh yes I am female). In Ne we have to let law enforcement know if stopped if driver is carrying. My question is being a passenger-carrying do I need to tell or have to tell if I'm carrying. I was told that when an officer runs the cars plates that it will come back if the owner has a CCW permit.

 

[rogerw]

That would be considered an encounter. The driver should tell officer you have a concealed carry permit. If officer later in the stop asks for your I'd and you have not told the officer you have cc permit and you are carrying, that would not be good. I believe Nebraska tags your drivers license.

 

[MartyH]

I recommend checking the info on the Nebraska Firearms Owners Association page and forum:
Nebraska Firearms Owners Association | The Voice of Nebraska Firearms Owners

You should also join just to keep informed about Nebraska-specific issues. And it's a FREE membership.

The Links page at NE CCW Training points you to some good info as well: Links

 

[Fixxer]

I sure understand your concerns. I am going to continually educate myself to be knowledgeable and comfortable when I carry.

...I was told that when an officer runs the cars plates that it will come back if the owner has a CCW permit...

Yes, true in Ohio as well. This is why we registered the car my son will drive in my wife's name.

Best wishes

 

[TexChap]

TX also requires you tell LE if you have a CHL. I have had two occasions (traffic stop & accident) to comply and both times simply handed the officer my CHL along with license & regis. Beyond that, neither of us said a word about it ...none even asked if I was armed at the moment. Don't let a few publicized incidents scare you out of exercising your right. There are undoubtedly hundreds of uneventful concealed carry stops across the country every day.

 

[dennisedc]

It is ALWAYS best to inform a law enforcement officer that you the driver or any of the passengers have a firearm, regardless of what the laws are. Think about it for a minute... How many officer have been shot, shot at or attacked during traffic stops??

Or

A routine traffic stop: turned worst case:

Officer: "Do you know why i pulled you over..."
Citizen:"No, officer, I don't know..."
Officer:"You were _____ traffic violation and..."
Officer: "May I have your license and registration, insurance card..."
Citizen: Fidgeting around looking for documents, officer sees a "gun" and feels threatened.
Officer: Draw's his handgun, puts two rounds in you or the passenger with the "gun"
Citizen: IS DEAD
Officer: IS SAFE and goes home to his or her family safely. Fills out paper work three days later and investigators did find the gun 12 inches from your dead hands. Regardless of a intentions or not, Citizen is DEAD.

Remember, routine traffic stops are often the place where law enforcement officers get attacked. They don't know if you are a bank robber, a law abiding citizen or a murderer.

Rules to follow when getting pulled over: (if you want to be safe and have the traffic stop go as easily as possible)

Now some will argue: "In the state of _______ we don't HAVE to inform them that we have a gun" that's great, you don't have to. Other may say, "they will harass me" Well, the officer that may harass you will likely be the one quick to draw his or her handgun if they see a surprise gun that you didn't tell them about.

OK here are the suggested procedures to make a traffic stop go well.

1. Pull ALL the way over to the RIGHT side of the road. (We are not in Great Britain)

2. Turn on the interior light (if they can see you they are more relaxed about the encounter)

3. Turn OFF the engine. (This says that you are not going to run away)

3. Turn OFF the Radio (The officer wants your attention, obviously)

4. Put your hands on the steering wheel and leave them there until the officer greets you and tells you what to do. (when they can see your hands) Do not dig around for your identification etc. while waiting for the officer to arrive. You may have a gun pointed at you because they think you are digging around for a gun.

5. Inform the officer that you have a "license to carry" That tells them you are a good guy. AND you are NOT breaking any laws.
DO NOT say "I have a gun!" Gun is a threat word, a warning in law enforcement circles, then the perception changes from good citizen to bad guy saying "gun."

NEVER GET OUT OF THE CAR unless told to by the law enforcement officer.

If you are harassed for lawfully carrying a handgun I suggest you ONLY and politely get their badge number and name and report to their commander. You won't win an argument on the side of the road. You can however get them suspended from service if this is an ongoing problem with a particular officer, but that will only happen if you comply at the traffic stop and then file a complaint at the station.

Dennis

edcfirearms

 

[jathtech]

Personally, I would assume that handing the officer a ccw as he asks for your license and insurance would be enough of a notification, but always follow it up with a verbal notification so long as the officer allows you to talk. It shouldn't even be a big deal, but if the officer acts as though it is, just remain calm and obey his every command quietly and calmly. Don't reach into your purse or glove box without telling the officer why first, and do so slowly. A really good idea for your protection is to video tape the whole encounter as well. Informthe officer they are being taped, and if you feel comfortable enough, go ahead and just hold the camera in your left hand while your dealing with him. It's perfectly legal no matter what any officer tells you. If they try to make you turn it off, you know you're dealing with a dangerous cop. Keep it on!

Know your rights. Do not consent to searches. And obey the law.

 

[sailmotion]

No idea what the law is in your state regarding duty to inform, so I won't comment. New York does not have a duty to inform and I would never complicate a simple traffic stop by introducing the presence of a gun. Regarding CCW holsters, a friend of mine loves her Flashbang. Something else you may consider is the Crossbreed supertuck. Love mine.

 

[Sigsite]

TX also requires you tell LE if you have a CHL. I have had two occasions (traffic stop & accident) to comply and both times simply handed the officer my CHL along with license & regis. Beyond that, neither of us said a word about it ...none even asked if I was armed at the moment. Don't let a few publicized incidents scare you out of exercising your right. There are undoubtedly hundreds of uneventful concealed carry stops across the country every day.

TexChap: Did you mean license; CHL and insurance card? We don't generally carry a registration in Texas.

 

[PaidTriot]

It is ALWAYS best to inform a law enforcement officer that you the driver or any of the passengers have a firearm, regardless of what the laws are. Think about it for a minute... How many officer have been shot, shot at or attacked during traffic stops??


Dennis

edcfirearms

I respectfully disagree completely with your statement. In-fact, in New York you only do not have to tell you are CCW you are told by the Sheriff's department not to. Most East Coast LEO's are not used to citizens carrying and many newbies are caught completely off guard by the admission. The Sheriff's department has told us that some will draw on you, others have had heart attacks. - that was a quote not a personal perspective.

The procedural advice is good though. One thing I would add is to say.
Officer I would like this to go as smoothly as possible, without any incident and I will do whatever you would like me to do. - While your hands are on the steering wheel.

 

[PaidTriot]

I got my Ne concealed carry permit the first of the year and am a little paranoid now to carry due to all the video's out there on law enforcement encounters. I haven't carried yet due to I haven't found the right cc holster I'm thinking on trying the flashbang. (Oh yes I am female). In Ne we have to let law enforcement know if stopped if driver is carrying. My question is being a passenger-carrying do I need to tell or have to tell if I'm carrying. I was told that when an officer runs the cars plates that it will come back if the owner has a CCW permit.

I would encourage you to take a NRA Out of the Home CCW course. They will give you very good advice that is specific to your state and most times will have a lawyer come to class to give you legal advice too.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm thinking on trying the flashbang. (Oh yes I am female). In Ne we have to let law enforcement know if stopped if driver is carrying. My question is being a passenger-carrying do I need to tell or have to tell if I'm carrying.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nebraska.pdf

From the NE State Police FAQ’

Q. Do I have to tell people I have a concealed handgun?

A. If you are a permit holder carrying a concealed handgun and are officially contacted by any peace officer or emergency serv ices personnel, you must immediately inform the peace officer or emergency service personnel of the concealed handgun unless you are physically unable to do so. These individuals have the right to determine whether it is necessary to secure the handgun during the contact for the safety of any person.

If you are riding in the vehicle as a passenger and the driver gets stopped, the officer is only detaining the driver for official purposes until such time as they interact with you in an official manner such as asking you for identification. My opinion is keep your mouth shut and your flashbang concealed unless the officer involves you in the traffic stop first. Remember, once you tell the officer about the gun, they have the option of removing that firearm from your person...

For those that don't know what a flashbang holster is (at least the criminal gets a moment of joy before they get shot):

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It is ALWAYS best to inform a law enforcement officer that you the driver or any of the passengers have a firearm, regardless of what the laws are. Think about it for a minute... How many officer have been shot, shot at or attacked during traffic stops??

How many convenience store clerks have been shot, shot at or attacked where they work, especially at night? How many taxi cab drivers have been shot, shot at or attacked in their cabs? How many bank security guards or armored car guards have been shot, shot at or attacked in the course of their employment? So we should tell all those people about our permits and firearms too, then. Think about it for a minute..... my firearm secure in it's holster poses ZERO danger to a police officer.

 

[One-Eye]

Congrats on your permit!
Your question is a legal one and I don't know the answer for your state. In SC we are required to provide our permit anytime we are asked for identification. In the car, on foot does not matter. As a passenger, I would only provide that if asked.
As for the videos, you can always run into a LEO that is having a bad day. But if you consider the fact that there must be hundreds of encounters a day between LEOs and CWP holders, I would not be to concerned. There are just as many videos about bad encouters where the citizen is not a CWP holder.
Just remember to remain calm and don't argue with any LEO.

 

[darylat8750ft]

If the Officer is addressing you I would think that would be considered an encounter. If they are addressing the driver and you are a passenger then not, but I'm not a lawyer practicing in Ne. I would say that on any traffic stop everyone in the car should keep their hands where the LEO can see them. You don't know what else he might be concerned about. Like the bank or what ever was just robbed by someone in a car that looks like yours.

I agree that you shouldn't be digging around with your hands out of sight when the LEO approaches your vehicle. However if you can get your wallet out, lay it on the dash, turn on the interior light, turn off your engine, lay the keys on the dash and put your hands on the steering wheel before he/she get to the car it will make the LEO feel safer, which makes you safer.

I love Wy. I was stopped for registration as I had forgotten to put the new sticker on my plate. By the time she got to the window I was in the condition noted above. I when asked I handed her my licence and carry permit. She said "Are you armed now?" I said "Yes, right front pocket in a pocket holster". Note that I did not move my hand from the wheel while this conversation took place. One should not point at it or pat it. She said "OK" and proceeded to the reason for the stop. Just another day at work for her and an embarrassment for being forgetful in my old age for me.

 

[ctwendel]

I agree. I was given the same advice from an active duty police officer in CT. The key is to be cooperative and polite. In most cases the officer will be the same.

 

[NavyLCDR]

(Wy is a must inform state).

Wyoming is NOT a must inform state, and I doubt that it ever was.

 

[beau dandy]

Thanks everyone for your help. My main concern was what to due as a passenger if stopped and your answers have helped a lot where I will be more comfortable with carrying. I didn't know if I should volunteer info on carrying or wait till approached. MartyH thank you for the web site info will defiantly be checking out those sites along with the other sites suggested. I don't think I can ever get enough info on CC always learning something new and plan on continuing to educate myself on this matter. As for the flashbang holster I finally found a site that had some great demo video's that really sold me on them and will be getting one soon. The Well Armed Woman great site.

 

[darylat8750ft]

Quote Originally Posted by darylat8750ft View Post
(Wy is a must inform state).
Wyoming is NOT a must inform state, and I doubt that it ever was.


You are right. My bad. Head in armpit. Wyo LEOs do have the information on the vehicle owner when they run the plates. I was told by local LEOs at my range some years ago that they liked it if drivers let them know.

 

[PaidTriot]

Quote Originally Posted by darylat8750ft View Post
(Wy is a must inform state).
Wyoming is NOT a must inform state, and I doubt that it ever was.


You are right. My bad. Head in armpit. Wyo LEOs do have the information on the vehicle owner when they run the plates. I was told by local LEOs at my range some years ago that they liked it if drivers let them know.

@ beau dandy This is exactly why I think you should take an NRA Out Of The Home CCW class in your State. They will know and advise you of the laws. You'll also feel more comfortable carrying.
I'd also recommend you skip the bra holster and buy a Milt Sparks Versa 2 IWB.

 

[dennisedc]

You really should contact a lawyer that concentrates in Weapons and Self Defense Law in your home state.

Enjoy your weekends.

Dennis