hyundailarry:314545 said:
I understand completely firefighterchen. Yes the FBI recomends aiming cenet mass every time but in my training and I mean (training) the thinking process of the mind works much better if you disl in on a smaller area. Aim for a heart aim for a kidney aim left lung you will find tighter groups and it makes you think more about actually finishing the threat. Most rounds will be close to center mass and you will have holes in diffrent places on your target. Plus if you ever needed to make a head shot which is actually stupid but if you did you would have confidence to do so. Its training expand your mind andays improve your skills.. By the way a 45is the only handgun that has 12in penetration so we all need to be carrying 45s. There are always different ways to train just make sure you as fast and accurate as possible and have a good day.
If it helps when you practice to master your firearm, then more power to you. If you can efficiently hit specific organs, more power to you. You are well above my skill level with the use of a handgun, and that is a good thing for both of us, as it drives me to be better. I still believe, the most efficient way to end a threat is to put 2+ rounds into COM (center of mass) as fast as possible. The FBI recommendation was only on penetration, I am not sure what their recommended training is (COM vs heart/head). I am not sure who told you, or where you looked up, that a 45 is the only round to get 12 inches....there has been a lot of threads on the .380 round, where ballistics has come up. A ball ammo .380 will get 12 inches, even the newer hollow point .380 can get 12". We all have different opinions, based on different teachers, different studies, and different life experiences.
CharlesMorrison:314633 said:
Who on this planet is 12 inches of meat? The FBI screwed us all with their demand for 12 inch minimum. Rounds are fired into calibrated gelatin, based on swine muscle. It is not "real world" accurate. We have two very large organs called lungs. Over penetration is a real risk depending on the caliber or bullet style.
1. Obesity in America is an epidemic.
2. We will rarely get to shoot the threat coming straight at us, the threat will be moving, ducking, twisting, and/or running. The shot very well could have to pass through the arm before entering COM for example.
3. As Wyld also stated, humans wear clothing, some more than others, which also is a barrier for the rounds.
Some people hate the gelatin tests, but as far as I know we don't test our firearms on other people. Gelatin is still very close to human tissue and consistent between tests, giving a good foundation on which rounds are better than others and to set a minimum.
As far as over penetration being a risk, do you have any studies showing such?
Under penetration has killed more victims than over penetration has killed an innocent bystander. It's more important to keep your rounds on target, because missed shots hold more lethality, and even then, there has not been statistics showing that to be a legitimate risk either, as civilians rarely hit innocent bystanders in self defense.
