New injectable sponges for stopping internal bleeding


I love this sentence:

"The team’s early efforts were inspired by Fix-a-Flat foam for repairing tires. “

Sounds like it works pretty good though. I can see tampons working just as well though and you wouldn't have a whole bunch of little sponges to remove. Plus tampons have a string to remove them.
 
Before I retired, I worked at a plant owned by Playtex. One of the products they made there was Tampons. These Tampons were know to be carried in battle by male and female soldiers to "plug" gunshot wounds. Maybe some of you out there on this forum have doe this. Form one old military guy to others, "Thank you for your service" May God Bless you.
 
I used to think tampons were a good hemorrhage stopper until I studied them more. I highly recommend you do NOT shove a tampon into a penetrating wound.

They are not sterile.

They expand to much causing excessive tearing.

They absorb a lot of blood, they don't clot.

The goal is to STOP bleeding.

Do not use tampons.

Use CLOTTING gauze or CLOTTING powder (ie: celox) until more trials on this sponge comes out.

The problem with gauze and powder on smaller entry wounds (ie: .223) is getting CLOTTING gauze stuffed in deep enough, or enough CLOTTING powder down to the bleeding source. I think, a syringe or funnel adapter would greatly help the CLOTTING gauze and CLOTTING powder versions. As of now, we have the option to cut a 3" long incision deep enough to get the medication in.

We do NOT use tampons.

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Firefighterchen.
I said it was done by the military in battle. You obviously missed that. And, when Tampons are produced, packed and shipped, they are sterile. They are FDA approved for internal use. If contaminated, it is after they are opened. Each and every tampon is checked by computer scanners that can pickup microscopic contaminates as required by the FDA.
 
Firefighterchen.
I said it was done by the military in battle. You obviously missed that. And, when Tampons are produced, packed and shipped, they are sterile. They are FDA approved for internal use. If contaminated, it is after they are opened. Each and every tampon is checked by computer scanners that can pickup microscopic contaminates as required by the FDA.

You obviously assume too much. Did you personally use a tampon in the military? Do you personally know someone who actually used a tampon in the military?

You see, it was a military person that first told me about what he heard about tampons. It was an Army physician that proved to me it was wrong.

Tampons are not sterile. You can buy sterile tampons, but the otc tampons (kotex, tampax, playtex) are not, do not claim to be, and are not packaged stating they are sterile. Aseptic, sure, sterile? No. They are packaged in a factory, not a laboratory.

Even if you used a sterile tampon, they would most definitely not work in saving a life. You are really saying a 1/2" tampon is going to fit inside a less than 1/4" hole? Ridiculous.

DO NOT SLOW THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

Tampons do neither of those things.

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So, I'm waiting for further development on the sponge and I won't use Tampons even though Peggy made the strings simply irresistible. :hang2:
 
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I love this sentence:

"The team’s early efforts were inspired by Fix-a-Flat foam for repairing tires. “.
I thought that was Viagra
 
You obviously assume too much. Did you personally use a tampon in the military? Do you personally know someone who actually used a tampon in the military?

You see, it was a military person that first told me about what he heard about tampons. It was an Army physician that proved to me it was wrong.

Tampons are not sterile. You can buy sterile tampons, but the otc tampons (kotex, tampax, playtex) are not, do not claim to be, and are not packaged stating they are sterile. Aseptic, sure, sterile? No. They are packaged in a factory, not a laboratory.

Even if you used a sterile tampon, they would most definitely not work in saving a life. You are really saying a 1/2" tampon is going to fit inside a less than 1/4" hole? Ridiculous.

DO NOT SLOW THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

STOP! THE BLEEDING.

Tampons do neither of those things.

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Way to serious, lighten up some brother!
 
Sorry mappow, but how can the explanation of the effects of using an ineffective solution to wound control be "to (sic) serious"? But feel free to allow a dung and herb packing on your next gunshot wound.
 
Well, as I said, I worked in the Playtex plant where they were made. I know what the FDA regs. were and what the possible alternative was, bleeding out and dying.
This was not something that Playtex told soldiers to do, it was something the soldiers came up with. Necessity is the mother of invention, they say, and probably how the idea behind the new product came about. Automobiles started out as a motorized buckboard and improved from there. Hence in this case we have the injectable bandage evolving from a Playtex Tampon( which is a patented brand name).
 
Well, as I said, I worked in the Playtex plant where they were made. I know what the FDA regs. were and what the possible alternative was, bleeding out and dying.
This was not something that Playtex told soldiers to do, it was something the soldiers came up with. Necessity is the mother of invention, they say, and probably how the idea behind the new product came about. Automobiles started out as a motorized buckboard and improved from there. Hence in this case we have the injectable bandage evolving from a Playtex Tampon( which is a patented brand name).

The possible alternative happens every time a tampon is attempted to be place in a bullet hole, especially one that has hit an artery or vein. Tampons do not stop bleeding out, they hide it.

So far, I've only heard of soldiers talking about it, but today what they use are plate kits as tampons are too bulky to pack around.

You do what you do, someone wants to pack a bullet wound with a tampon, that's their life to lose. I will not be packing anybody's penetrating wound with a tampon...but what do I know...emergency medicine has nothing to do with saving lives.

And it seems, the fda regulates tampons under classifications (class II medical device)...could not find anything on their requirements for sterilization...just aseptic.

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In theory I see where one would think that a tampon could serve as a plug. Throughout history we have heard of soldiers saving there own lives by putting their finger into the wound.
Obviously this does not stop internal bleeding but stops blood from exiting the body.
The reason for survival may be psychological. When you bleed out, you bleed out it doesn't matter if the blood exits the body or not. Panic is another thing, if you panic, your dead.
I am sure in some cases the reason for survival was the belief that they were going to survive.
I do see where a tampon would be a wicking tool and continue to draw blood from the body cavity to the outside of the body. Your not addressing the internal bleeding issue.
 
In theory I see where one would think that a tampon could serve as a plug. Throughout history we have heard of soldiers saving there own lives by putting their finger into the wound.
Obviously this does not stop internal bleeding but stops blood from exiting the body.
The reason for survival may be psychological. When you bleed out, you bleed out it doesn't matter if the blood exits the body or not. Panic is another thing, if you panic, your dead.
I am sure in some cases the reason for survival was the belief that they were going to survive.
I do see where a tampon would be a wicking tool and continue to draw blood from the body cavity to the outside of the body. Your not addressing the internal bleeding issue.

Depends on where the bleeding is originating. Many of the Boston bombing victims had their arteries pinched off by fingers. It can help if it stops the bleeding.

Here's my other bit of advice. If you can't afford celox or quick clot, buy gauze and bandages, and then a tourniquet (at least 2" wide). If pressure doesn't stop the bleeding, apply the tourniquet. It's faster and will stop the bleeding. Take note when and where the tourniquet was placed.

A little info, every victim in Boston that had lower extremity trauma that had a tourniquet placed survived.

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Depends on where the bleeding is originating. Many of the Boston bombing victims had their arteries pinched off by fingers. It can help if it stops the bleeding.

Here's my other bit of advice. If you can't afford celox or quick clot, buy gauze and bandages, and then a tourniquet (at least 2" wide). If pressure doesn't stop the bleeding, apply the tourniquet. It's faster and will stop the bleeding. Take note when and where the tourniquet was placed.

A little info, every victim in Boston that had lower extremity trauma that had a tourniquet placed survived.

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Slight correction for you as well.
Not all areas of the body are able to have a tourniquet applied. Main torso, head, neck... Great tool, just have to know how to use it, when to release pressure and so on.
If you are able to "Pinch Off And Artery" you are winning the game, but, if you have a single entry wound in the lower abdomen your not going to have that option or the option of applying a tourniquet. I think this is the kind of wound that comes to mind when people are advocating the use of a tampon. Think in terms of center mass and entry wounds, gun shots rather than explosions.
This is the general firearms section. The general explosion section is on another forum. *Just Kidding*
 
Sorry mappow, but how can the explanation of the effects of using an ineffective solution to wound control be "to (sic) serious"? But feel free to allow a dung and herb packing on your next gunshot wound.
Great come back. FFChen used BOLD to emphasize his statement. I totally agree to stop the bleeding not control. BUT, what's available in the real world of civilians verses EMT's and or MIL-Medics are completely different.
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This is possibly a great thread to expound upon what works in a pinch for the civilians with little or no background in fist aid, especially with a gun wound. Please share your knowledge. I think most, including myself, would like to be educated. Dung and herbs will work but most of use don't carry a Ju-ju bag around with our medicinal needs, just extra ammo. Could be a Life/Death education.
 
Great come back. FFChen used BOLD to emphasize his statement. I totally agree to stop the bleeding not control. BUT, what's available in the real world of civilians verses EMT's and or MIL-Medics are completely different.
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This is possibly a great thread to expound upon what works in a pinch for the civilians with little or no background in fist aid, especially with a gun wound. Please share your knowledge. I think most, including myself, would like to be educated. Dung and herbs will work but most of use don't carry a Ju-ju bag around with our medicinal needs, just extra ammo. Could be a Life/Death education.

I would add that maybe Luke could open a topic on emergency fist aid. Again.... education is what this site is all about.
 
Slight correction for you as well.
Not all areas of the body are able to have a tourniquet applied. Main torso, head, neck... Great tool, just have to know how to use it, when to release pressure and so on.
If you are able to "Pinch Off And Artery" you are winning the game, but, if you have a single entry wound in the lower abdomen your not going to have that option or the option of applying a tourniquet. I think this is the kind of wound that comes to mind when people are advocating the use of a tampon. Think in terms of center mass and entry wounds, gun shots rather than explosions.
This is the general firearms section. The general explosion section is on another forum. *Just Kidding*

Penetrating wounds to the abdomen are even worse to be putting in tampons. With the large open cavity to fill with blood, it's even more important to stop the bleeding and get to definitive care. While tourniquet's don't work on torso, abdomen, neck, and head bleeding, neither will a tampon. That's why it's even more critical people have a clotting agent.

Specifically for chest wounds, an occlusive dressing is absolutely needed.

Until the are more trials, I will not be stocking my kits with these sponges.

As for what's available to civilians compares to EMS or military...everything I have been talking about is available to civilians, and I buy them as a civilian. Celox gauze z fold, celox powder, and tourniquets.

While the Boston victims did get injuries from an explosion, many injuries were caused by penetrating injuries from shrapnel.
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