New gun laws will do nothing to stop mass shooting attacks

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Submitted by cbaus on Tue, 07/31/2012 - 15:01. National Politics
Guns in the News
Gun Grabbers


by John Lott

In the wake of the Colorado tragedy, Democrats in Congress have wasted no time introducing new gun control legislation. Today, Sen. Frank Lautenberg and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy introduced a bill that bans the sale of ammunition online and by mail.

Last Thursday, six Senate Democrats proposed amending the cybersecurity bill to ban magazines holding more than 10 bullets. President Obama also promoted renewing the Assault Weapon Ban, announcing, "AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets of our cities."

The reaction is understandable, but despite the best of intentions, the laws won't stop these attacks from occurring.

Take the Lautenberg and McCarthy proposed ban on online ammunition sales. The proposal would make rules for buying ammunition the same as for buying a gun. But the Colorado killer was able to legally buy a gun from a dealer and, under the proposal, he still would have been able to buy the ammunition. The requirement of a photo ID seems equally irrelevant in this case.

The law also would mandate licensed ammunition dealers to report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days. But what good would that do? The Colorado killer apparently planned his attack at least four months in advance. If he were trying to hide his ammunition purchases, he could easily have spread them out over time.

What the ban would do is raise the cost of buying ammunition. But does anyone really believe that even a 20 or 30 percent increase in the price of ammo would be the difference that stopped someone intent on committing suicide or spending the rest of their lives in jail from buying ammo? It isn't like these guys have to worry about making payments on past due credit card bills.

We have already tried the magazine ban and it won't be any more helpful now than it was when the Federal Assault Weapon Ban was in effect from 1994 to 2004. A magazine, which is basically a metal box with a spring, is trivially easy to make and virtually impossible to stop criminals from obtaining.

Further, the guns in several recent mass shootings (including the one in Aurora and last year in Tucson) have jammed because of the large magazines that were used.

...President Obama's discussion of AK-47s is no more helpful, but given his long involvement in the gun control debate he surely must know what he was saying was incorrect. The civilian version of the AK-47 is not the machine gun used by militaries around the world. The civilian version merely looks like the military version on the outside, but its inside guns are the same as a deer-hunting rifle. The civilian version uses essentially the same sorts of bullets as deer-hunting rifles, fires at the same rapidity (one bullet per pull of the trigger) and does the same damage.

If Obama wants to campaign against semi-automatic guns based on their function, he should go after all semi-automatic guns. After all, in 1998, as an Illinois state senator, he supported just such a ban -– a ban that would eliminate most of the guns in the United States.

But no published peer-reviewed studies by economists or criminologists find the original federal or state assault-weapons ban reduced murder or overall violent crime.

Since the federal ban expired in September 2004, murder and overall violent-crime rates have actually fallen. In 2003, the last full year before the law expired, the U.S. murder rate was 5.7 per 100,000 people. Initial data for 2011 shows that the murder rate has fallen to 4.7 per 100,000 people.

The big problem with gun control is that it is the law-abiding good citizens, and not those intent on committing the tragedies like those in Colorado, who obey these laws. It is hard not to notice, but very aggressive gun control hasn’t prevented multiple-victim public shootings in Europe.
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles.


We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

What is an assault rifle? Is a Ruger 10/22 one or any .22 caliber semi automatic? Is a Springfield M1A an assault rifle? Hell if you have the money you can buy a tank. As far as the right to be armed does that mean nothing over a .45 caliber pistol or all rifles have to be hunting style rifles? As far as needing the right to be an army we may well have to be.
 
Assault rifles are full automatic. We have laws now that govern gun sales and ownership that are not enforced and/or enforced when convenient. Hasn't stopped any violent crime. Last time I checked murder is illegal, doesn't matter what weapon is used. More laws that are added to allow some politician a euphoric feeling of good intentions isn't going to make this a safer place.
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

I can only thank god that you have ZERO input into creating the absurd guns laws of which you speak of.
You should be stripped of your 2A rights and given a Red Ryder BB rifle that only holds one BB at a time...
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

I can only thank god that you have ZERO input into creating the absurd guns laws of which you speak of.
You should be stripped of your 2A rights and given a Red Ryder BB rifle that only holds one BB at a time...

^ LOL :D

He will shoot his eye out :p
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

I think you are on drugs. Let's limit the amount of times we can pray. Or give each person 3 minutes a year when they can exercise their free speech. After all we need to be "reasonable".

Good grief!

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We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

I think your on the WRONG webb site to be talking like this, it's a bunch of BS. Just remember, the criminals who want guns ARE NOT going to go to a FFL dealor to get them, there going to go to the gangs who have them and buy them, so additional gun laws don't mean S*it to them.
 
we need to make it very hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the fbi is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We do need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

I think you're the one who needs to use some sense.
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

You are undoubtedly the most "reasonable" guy on this site. I take it you and others like you will dictate what the correct number of________ fill in the blank will be "reasonable"!

You state that ""We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army." I think that is totally unreasonable. You ever read the Constitution? C'mon not really, be honest. Maybe you just read a "reasonable amount of it. I am not the only one that thinks that statement is unreasonable. The reason it was included was to get them to sign it. Our "Founding Fathers" did not trust the government from being "tyrannical". Guess if I was more "reasonable" I would let you and others of your ilk decide just what "reasonable" is. Yep just do away with the Constitution and trust our "reasonable" elected officials. Yea, that's the ticket!
You need to start the Reasonable Party so you can run truly "reasonable" candidates.
You are one deep thinker. You have it all figured out. Reasonably of course. Who can argue with reason? Right?
 
Cluznar has shown up on a few threads I have looked at and even started and his message is the same on all of them.... Maybe he is a mole sent to aggravate us good gun owners to begin a rant against him so he can spread it to his anti gun friends to show what a bunch of mean spirited individuals we are and how we are nothing more that people clinging to our guns and religion as his Messiah pointed out.. The law does not limit me to how many cigarettes I buy nor the amount of alcohol I buy which both will kill me just the same... Actually if I remember correctly second hand smoke is now concidered a cause of death in the US... I know we regulate that industry closely but yet people still smoke and drink... The leading cause of death in this country could possibly be attributed to McDonalds but there is no out cry to ban them.
The only thing that really happens during a gun ban is people lose their jobs as demand drops due to restrictive laws. Now that the shooting war is more or less over the large companies who supplied ammo and weapons will have to return to the civilan market peddling their wares.... Not good for the economy.......
 
X2, the mole idea
Only to cause conflict with-in
Most not know the terms and there meanings or how the are governed
 
We need to make it VERY hard to buy semi-auto assault rifles, and we need to limit the amount of rounds a magazine will hold for that rifle.

As for online ammo sales, we need to set a limit per month on each cal of ammo a person buys. But do not ban online ammo sales.

We must allow semi-auto handguns to use up to a 17 round mag.

We must make sure the FBI is told if someone buys over a certain amount of guns -- say maybe 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 10 shotguns, etc.

We DO need better gun laws, but allow people to have handguns, shotguns, rifles within a reasonable amount.

We have the right to be armed, but do not need the right to be an Army.

Use some sense. :big_boss:

Actually we do have the right to be an army. Remember the constitution is to protect we the people from government oppression.
 

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