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NEW Definition of Gun Control: The theory that 20 grade school children found dead in their classrooms, most shot multiple times while waiting for the police, is somehow morally superior to the principal explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
 
Sad, even unbelievable, but true. What Society would send an unarmed Principal into the path of death? The Principal was heroic, Society is also culpable for her death. The anti-gun Liberal agenda is not working on many fronts. How many more people will be slaughtered because of their agenda?
 
Sad, even unbelievable, but true. What Society would send an unarmed Principal into the path of death? The Principal was heroic, Society is also culpable for her death. The anti-gun Liberal agenda is not working on many fronts. How many more people will be slaughtered because of their agenda?

As I responded to another poster in another thread, you assume that the principal WANTED to be armed in the first place. I am married to a public school teacher. I can tell you with certainty that most public school employees do NOT want to be armed; school teachers who will buck the trend are in the minority. They wouldn't mind having police officers stationed in their buildings, but the idea of armed citizens goes against what most of them believe. So the principal wasn't SENT to her death unarmed, she WENT to her death unarmed because she was idealistic enough to believe that this whackjob would listen to reason.

Our governor in Michigan is deciding right now whether he is going to sign a bill that will allow us to CC in public school. Gov. Snyder says, "I wouldn't say I'm prepared to sign it by any means... I haven't made a decision one way or another on it ... I need to see what it says. But the shooting gives you clear pause to say, 'Would this be appropriate?' That was a terrible thing to happen." He already knows what the bill says; itl was passed with his promise to sign it because it contained the amendment he specifically requested that would do away with OC in a PFZ by someone possessing a CPL - which is legal right now.

He expects to make a decision in the next 2-3 days according to the article.

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That is why I say we now have a new definition of gun control:

NEW Definition of Gun Control: The theory that 20 grade school children found dead in their classrooms, most shot multiple times while waiting for the police, is somehow morally superior to the principal explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
 
The Liberal propaganda has seep into the fabric of The American institution of the Second Amendment Rights. Your wife, while meaning no harm, is part of the problem. Until We the People understand that those that means us harm have to be resolved with reciprocating force. We will continually see stories like this. It's commendable to be anti-violence, it's crazy to be a sheep to slaughter. If you cannot "protect and defend" then we will continually be slaughtered. AGAIN, I ask, How many people will be slaughtered before this inane Liberal agenda is changed. OR will it never change and the slaughter on children is an acceptable loss for this Liberal agenda. YOU KNOW were I stand.
 
You may be very surprised at the number of teachers who would dearly love to override the leftist liberal NEA, including carrying a weapon in the classroom. Even in the right to work states, the NEA reigns supreme and teachers who would love to defect cannot if they expect to keep their jobs.
 
The majority of mass murders in the past couple of decades have been in Gun Free Zones Universities, schools, civic centers, places of worship and theaters. Why? It is simple. A person who is committed to perpetrating this type of act wants to create the most damage in the shortest amount of time with the least chance for interference. When serious confrontation occurs they usually give up or take their own life immediately. The Clakamas Or. Mall shooting being a classic example of the latter. When confronted by a civilian with a CCW he ducked away quickly and ended his own life. We really need to reconsider the Gun Free Killing Fields. They are the product of the liberals who are misguided thinking that guns are the problem and that even criminals will adhere to the gun free policy.
 
If you cannot "protect and defend" then we will continually be slaughtered. AGAIN, I ask, How many people will be slaughtered before this inane Liberal agenda is changed. OR will it never change and the slaughter on children is an acceptable loss for this Liberal agenda. YOU KNOW were I stand.

That is the question I put to Gov. Snyder in the following letter that I faxed to his office over the weekend, again this morning, and about which I called his office:

Gov. Rick Snyder
Michigan State Capitol
Lansing, MI

Sir,

Today has been a trying day for many, especially the families of those killed and wounded in Newtown, CT. Our sympathy and prayers go out to them and for them.

But make no mistake, at the end of the day there is no equivalency between SB 59 and what happened in Newtown.

What happened in Newtown is about a person who lost touch with reality, killed his mother, stole her firearms, and then took out his rage on defenseless children and school faculty. None of the more than 20,000 laws on the books nationwide regulating firearms and their users could have prevented that.

But the deaths of so many children and teachers were preventable.

You see, until 1990, as a nation we averaged about one firearm-related school attack a year, going back fifty years or more. But in 1990, something changed.

We passed the federal Gun Free School Zones Act (GFSZA).

I am not so naive as to believe that this is the ONLY consideration, but the GFSZA, by declaring schools to be completely gun free, had an unintended effect: it left everyone in schools defenseless against a determined attack. Since 1990, there have been 225 firearm-related incidents at school nationally, resulting in more than 700 casualties (deaths/injuries/hostages); 183 of those attacks have occurred since the 1999 Columbine attack. By completely disarming faculty and staff, the GFSZA guaranteed the highest concentrations of defenseless, soft targets available to someone out for blood.

Something else has happened in those intervening years: numbers of law enforcement officers have declined, resulting in longer response times when such incidents occur. Grand Rapids has seen serious reductions in our law enforcement numbers; we are about to lose seventeen more officers, and most of those who are retained will be re-deployed to night hours. You can imagine what this will do to a daytime emergency response time, which now stands at 18-20 minutes per the Crime Prevention Office of the GRPD. Detroit’s 911 response time is well in excess of twenty minutes.

How does this affect the outcome of an active shooter incident?

According to a report written by former Kalamazoo news reporter, Brendan Keefe (now in Columbus, OH), entitled “When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers,” a report based on the conclusions drawn in the wake of the Virginia Tech shooting, observed, “Based on the Virginia Tech data, experts determined the first officer on scene should make entry immediately with an aggressive attack on the shooter. Every minute the officer waits for back-up, another three or more people could die.” That’s while the officer is waiting for backup. How many victims died while waiting for officers to respond to the 911 call in the first place? This is the problem inherent in an approach that is based on sheltering in place and waiting for law enforcement to respond. And that is what they discovered in Connecticut today - every minute it took for officers to respond resulted in more dead and wounded. By the time officers arrived on scene and finally effected an entry, nearly all of the fatalities had already occurred - eighteen children dead, two others wounded who would die at the hospital, and nine adults killed, including the gunman, who killed himself. it was said in an interview with the commander of the police post that officers responding to the scene “rescued” many children and adults. While I do not mean to take anything away from the officers, the sad fact is that they “rescued” no one. “Rescued” would indicate that they encountered the gunman as he carried out his attack, interposed themselves, and neutralized him. This was not the case. It is more accurate to say that officers escorted the survivors out of the building. Killings that could have been prevented occurred because no one inside the building was allowed to exercise their right to self defense. As Frederic Bastiat observed in his treatise, The Law, self defense is the most basic of all rights: “Nature, or rather God, has bestowed upon every one of us the right to defend his person...” (Frederic Bastiat, The Law, first published in 1850, copyright 2007, Ludwig von Mises Institute, Alabama).

It is said that nature abhors a vacuum. In this context, that means that the drawdown of law enforcement must be counterbalanced in some other way - and that is where SB 59 becomes so critical.

SB 59 gives responsible adults on the scene the ability to protect themselves AND those for whom they are responsible, whether those are family members, children in a school, or co-workers. These are people who have already proven themselves, who have been background checked, taught and tested, who typically spend more hours on the range becoming familiar with their firearms than most law enforcement officers. These are people who deal with trying situations and people on a daily basis in areas other than pistol free zones without ever drawing a firearm - or even threatening the use of one. Why people believe that the moment one of these citizens steps into a school, all of that restraint and judiciousness will suddenly disappear continues to mystify me. They have proven themselves.

Many of those who oppose this measure will insist that merely posting signs is an adequate deterrent. As I have already indicated, referring to the utter failure of the GFSZA to accomplish its stated goal, this also fails the test of reason.

The same report authored by Mr. Keefe referred to yet another discovery made in the wake of the Virginia Tech shooting:

The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks. In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits. Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises. Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers. The psychological profile of a mass murderer indicates he is looking to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible.

Also, the data show most active killers have no intention of surviving the event. They may select schools and shopping malls because of the large number of defenseless victims and the virtual guarantee no on the scene one is armed. As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves.”

Simply stated, posting a property guarantees nothing. Signs, like locks on doors, prevent nothing when the attacker is determined to inflict harm

In closing, I would like to leave you with a though expressed in 1764 by Cesare Bonesana, the Marchese Beccaria, in his manuscript entitled, Of Crimes and Punishments (Originally published in Italian in 1764, Translated from the French by Edward D. Ingraham. Second American edition. Philadelphia (No. 175, Chesnut St.): Published by Philip H. Nicklin: A. Walker, printer, 24, Arch St., 1819.):

“A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, and dares say to reason, `Be thou a slave'; who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.” (bold added)

Mr. Governor, we can be proactive and restore the individual’s right to protect himself, or we can continue to wait for police to arrive on scene and count bodies later. We may not be able to completely prevent every situation such as the one that took place in Newtown; at the very least, restoring the right to self defense gives us the ability to prevent incidents of such magnitude from happening.
I urge you to follow through on your promise to sign this legislation; restore our right to defend ourselves - wherever we may happen to be.

Sincerely,

Governor,

As a follow-up to the letter I faxed to your attention this morning, I would like to add the following, part of a statement issued by the Arizona Border Patrol earlier this year in response to the Department of Homeland Security training regarding their expected response to an active shooter incident:

"Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that any three of the above shootings (referring to Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the Giffords shooting - added) would have been stopped cold by an off-duty law enforcement officer*or a law abiding citizen with a gun. The Fort Hood shooting would have been stopped cold by someone with a gun as well. The shooters in these situations depend on unarmed and scared victims. It gives them the power they seek. We could go on and on with examples of shootings that could have been stopped by someone with a firearm…. Calling 911 in these instances is obvious, but we all know that waiting on the arrival of uniformed law enforcement will ensure more people are killed, injured, or taken hostage" (emphasis added).
 
As I responded to another poster in another thread, you assume that the principal WANTED to be armed in the first place. I am married to a public school teacher. I can tell you with certainty that most public school employees do NOT want to be armed;

THE PRINCIPAL WAS NOT EVEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO SAY NO!!!! I also want to know how your incredible insight KNOWS WITH CERTAINTY that most public school employees DO NOT WANT TO BE ARMED. This is known as being incredibly presumptuous or pretentious or self-conceited--ask your school teacher wife what these words mean. Kindly show me this exhaustive study conducted by you and your wife.
 
ezkl2230, I in no way dispute your LTR, what I'm trying to say is that if your wife and or other educators continue this inane postulation that we don't need to be armed, "my god, we're educators and of higher learning".......Yada-Yada- Yada....

Then all this will do is expound the continued violence against schools. Why you ask, because there "gun free zones" and we all know that MOST teachers will not arm themselves because they do not believe in violence. How can you be in charge of educating and protecting and NOT have the tools to accomplish this. AGAIN, more Liberal Insanity. WTFO
 
ezkl2230, I in no way dispute your LTR, what I'm trying to say is that if your wife and or other educators continue this inane postulation that we don't need to be armed, "my god, we're educators and of higher learning".......Yada-Yada- Yada....

Then all this will do is expound the continued violence against schools. Why you ask, because there "gun free zones" and we all know that MOST teachers will not arm themselves because they do not believe in violence. How can you be in charge of educating and protecting and NOT have the tools to accomplish this. AGAIN, more Liberal Insanity. WTFO

Trust me - this is an ongoing conversation with my wife. She is actually beginning to warm up a little to the idea of taking a CPL class, and has even toyed with the idea of carrying at school, but we're still a ways from her actually pulling the trigger on doing it. When we go to Cabela's or other sporting goods stores/outfitters, she is becoming quite interested in what she sees at the firearm counter (she's partial to Charter Arms revolvers right now). Newtown actually helped put it into some perspective for her. She was very concerned about the boys going to their schools. I was finally able to get across to her that the concern she has about our children is the same concern I have about her every day when she goes to work. It finally began to sink in a little bit.
 
AGAIN, I ask, How many people will be slaughtered before this inane Liberal agenda is changed. OR will it never change and the slaughter on children is an acceptable loss for this Liberal agenda.

The slaughter on children has been an acceptable loss for this "Evil" Liberal Agenda for decades. It's casually called "A women's right to choose".
How many people will be slaughtered before this "Evil" Liberal agenda is changed? Considering over 55 MILLION & COUNTING so far, the most likely answer is, NEVER.
 
I know serveral teachers are trying to buy body armor today because that is the best they can do.
 
My employer tested our threat response a year or two ago and we failed. Subsequently, we had an annual training video on how to cover and hide from a threat and to throw chairs or whatever is available at hand if the threat is in your face. Hmm. That is basically what the school adults had available to them during this incident, and they were trying to get scared children to be quiet and hide. I agree that many adults in our schools would choose not to be armed but should that be a CHOICE rather than a mandated gun free zone? Remember that in most instances handguns are prohibited from <21 year old (another issue for another thread) so the adults should be able to choose to CC if they wish rather than abdicate their protection and that of the children they supervise to 'armed trained security " at additional cost. Consider too the response factor: LEO's can be on scene in 10-20 minutes when the incident may last less than 5. How quickly could armed and present security respond to a threat in a school???
 
My employer tested our threat response a year or two ago and we failed. Subsequently, we had an annual training video on how to cover and hide from a threat and to throw chairs or whatever is available at hand if the threat is in your face. Hmm. That is basically what the school adults had available to them during this incident, and they were trying to get scared children to be quiet and hide. I agree that many adults in our schools would choose not to be armed but should that be a CHOICE rather than a mandated gun free zone? Remember that in most instances handguns are prohibited from <21 year old (another issue for another thread) so the adults should be able to choose to CC if they wish rather than abdicate their protection and that of the children they supervise to 'armed trained security " at additional cost. Consider too the response factor: LEO's can be on scene in 10-20 minutes when the incident may last less than 5. How quickly could armed and present security respond to a threat in a school???

Ah. Sounds like your employer is using some of the training materials provided by the DHS on how to deal with an active shooter situation. 1) Flee the building, if possible. 2) Shelter in place if unable to flee. 3) If all else fails, as a last resort - and ONLY as a last resort, pick up objects and throw them at the shooter. Call 911 if and when you get the chance at some point during the attack. 4) Wait the better part of a half-hour for the police to arrive. 5) Hope you survive.
 
Connecticut has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. This purp violated a number of them. Yet he was still able to pull this crime off. Banning guns because some nut, that we already know we can't stop, is about as silly as banning motor vehicles because someone drives drunk. How many people are murdered every year because of drunk drivers? How many laws do we have on the books to prevent drunks from driving? Yet people still drink and drive. Even when we take their driving privileges away they still drive. If this purp would have been drunk, driving a large vehicle and slammed into a bus full of first graders, killing all on board, would we be talking about banning large vehicles? I don't think so. You can bet that none of the meaningful questions will be asked and no meaningful legislation will result that will prevent these incidents in the future. What ever is acted on must fit the liberal agenda. Liberals are not about solving problems. Their more concerned about feeling good about their intentions.
 
Connecticut has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. This purp violated a number of them. Yet he was still able to pull this crime off. Banning guns because some nut, that we already know we can't stop, is about as silly as banning motor vehicles because someone drives drunk. How many people are murdered every year because of drunk drivers? How many laws do we have on the books to prevent drunks from driving? Yet people still drink and drive. Even when we take their driving privileges away they still drive. If this purp would have been drunk, driving a large vehicle and slammed into a bus full of first graders, killing all on board, would we be talking about banning large vehicles? I don't think so. You can bet that none of the meaningful questions will be asked and no meaningful legislation will result that will prevent these incidents in the future. What ever is acted on must fit the liberal agenda. Liberals are not about solving problems. Their more concerned about feeling good about their intentions.

The facts no longer have any meaning in this country. If you believe it, it is true. End of story. Just a few days ago, the NY Daily News published an article that clearly shows that such events are NOT increasing in frequency, but you can bet that article is being ignored, and the researchers who made that conclusion are likely being accused by the flamers of being NRA or gun industry hacks.

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The main stream media outlets are sensationalizing the Newtown shooting much to the glee of the anti-gun special interests. Any facts that dare to show anything not furthering their agenda will always be attacked. Liberal politicians will get any advantage they can from this tragedy. They won't let this go to waist. As I have said before, for liberals solutions to real problems are never the goal. Power, control, emotions and good intentions trump everything.
 
So the principal wasn't SENT to her death unarmed, she WENT to her death unarmed because she was idealistic enough to believe that this whackjob would listen to reason.
If that's her CHOICE, then so be it.

But it should be a choice NOT a duty.

And make no mistake, those like Bloomberg and Emmanuel who would MAKE it a duty, are invariably sniveling cowards saying so from behind phalanxes of heavily armed men.
 
You may be very surprised at the number of teachers who would dearly love to override the leftist liberal NEA, including carrying a weapon in the classroom. Even in the right to work states, the NEA reigns supreme and teachers who would love to defect cannot if they expect to keep their jobs.
You are right as the couple of Teachers that I know would fall into that category. However, they are all members of my gun club.
Can't say about the other teachers that march in lock step with the the Unions supported by the NEA.
 
If that's her CHOICE, then so be it.But it should be a choice NOT a duty.
And make no mistake, those like Bloomberg and Emmanuel who would MAKE it a duty, are invariably sniveling cowards saying so from behind phalanxes of heavily armed men.
I don't think she did it out of duty or choice, It is in the female DNA to protect her young at all costs.

The Bloomberg types and all the liberal elites are the same people that taught us in the 70's to "go along to get along with hijackers" They invented Stockholm syndrome and instead of fighting your captor, just sit down shut up and wait for rescue from the 'CARERS" in the guberment. (Since I care about you more than the other guy, vote for me)
That all changed on Sept 11. (At least for me)

That principle did what I hope I would do if i knew that someone was slaughtering little children.

Armed or not, I would attack. I hope. God Bless her for at least trying.
 

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