New Bill introduced

[Valkyrie144]

Representative Danny Bubp (R-88) of West Union and Rep. Jarrod Martin (R-70) of Beavercreek have introduced House Bill 203, which seeks to "allow a concealed carry licensee who is not consuming liquor and is not under the influence to carry a concealed handgun in a retail food establishment or food service operation with any class liquor permit issued for the location."

"The problem of not being able to protect one's family while out to dinner is one of the most common complaints I hear from concealed carry license holders," said Rep. Bubp. "They have proven themselves to be responsible, and there is no reason to think they won't be every bit as responsible while eating dinner as they are in every other aspect of their lives."

 

[Valkyrie144]

The bill has been assigned to the House Public Safety and Homeland Security committee, and is co-sponsored by Reps. John Adams (R), Ron Amstutz (R), Terry Blair (R), Courtney Combs (R), Dave Hall (R), Matt Huffman (R), Shannon Jones (R), Kris Jordan (R), Ron Maag (R), Ross McGregor (R), Barbara Sears (R), Todd Snitchler (R), Joe Uecker (R), Lynn Wachtmann (R), Jeff Wagner (R) and James Zehringer (R).

36 other states, including every state that borders Ohio, trust their citizens to carry a firearm for self-defense in restaurants that serve alcohol.

"Ohio is once again behind what the majority of states have already figured out," noted Buckeye Firearms Association chairman Jim Irvine. "The license holders are not the problem, so placing restrictions on them is not solving anything. Under current law guns must be left in the car while eating at most restaurants. Guns being stolen is yet another a real problem that HB203 helps solve."

 

[Valkyrie144]

Several other states are involved in a battle to restore self-defense rights for persons dining out with their families, with legislation under consideration in Arizona, North Carolina, and Virginia.

 

[Sidewinder]

We just had similar legislation pass here in TN. Then the Gov Vetoed it, and the House and Senate overturned it.


Good luck in Ohio. Write and call your congressmen to show your support.

 

[Sheldon]

We have the 51% rule here in MI, but it use to be that way, serves booze = No CCW.... Now they must make 51% of their profit from the stuff before it becomes a CEZ...

 

[KimberPB]

Good luck Ohio! Florida is one of the states that you can carry into an restaraunt as long as you are not sitting in the Bar area. It'll be nice if this passes one less difference to remember when I visit KimberRB.

 

[KimberPB]

We have the 51% rule here in MI, but it use to be that way, serves booze = No CCW.... Now they must make 51% of their profit from the stuff before it becomes a CEZ...

As a customer how in the world are you going to know what a restaurant profit percentages are??

 

[Sidewinder]

As a customer how in the world are you going to know what a restaurant profit percentages are??

Isn't that ridiculous. I guess you have to carry a zoning handbook along instead of a mag holster. And a Fundamentals of Accounting 201 book in your ankle holster.

 

[Sheldon]

Isn't that ridiculous. I guess you have to carry a zoning handbook along instead of a mag holster. And a Fundamentals of Accounting 201 book in your ankle holster.

Nope both wrong it is obvious as all get-out, there are just bars that may serve some greasy disgusting item they call food, and there are the places that serve good food and will be packed with people at tables eating and not just there to drink their meal.

I know you all know of these places.... AKA A Dive that you would not go into with out an armed escort and where the cockroaches eat for free, V.S. someplace you would take the wife or maybe a good friend for a nice meal that also serves hard liquor.... Let's not get silly here boys....

 

[Sidewinder]

How about the Bar/Restaurant hybrids? (Wild Wing Cafe for example or a BWW). These places have enormous seating for their restaurants, and just as much seating at the bar. Some places make a boatload of money from their bars, late night and weekends. And they charge an Arm and a leg for beer. I'm sure they are getting a hefty chunk of change from alcohol on Friday and Saturday nights.


I honestly couldn't tell you how much money they are getting from either side. The point is: If a restaurant gets 52 percent of its revenue from alcohol, is it really THAT much dangerous for CCWs to carry? Why is 50/50 the tipping point? Why not 83/17?

 

[Sheldon]

How about the Bar/Restaurant hybrids? (Wild Wing Cafe for example or a BWW). These places have enormous seating for their restaurants, and just as much seating at the bar. Some places make a boatload of money from their bars, late night and weekends. And they charge an Arm and a leg for beer. I'm sure they are getting a hefty chunk of change from alcohol on Friday and Saturday nights.


I honestly couldn't tell you how much money they are getting from either side. The point is: If a restaurant gets 52 percent of its revenue from alcohol, is it really THAT much dangerous for CCWs to carry? Why is 50/50 the tipping point? Why not 83/17?

The point is it draws a line in the sand to differentiate between the places that are dives that serve only booze with occasional food, and yes your hybrid which may make some good money on weekends but a look at the books would show the lions share is from the food.

Places that cater to the drinkers and not the eaters are obvious, holes in the wall, not as well maintained, and are dives, drunks do not care how a place looks people who eat do.

As a father, husband, and long time CCW license I can recognize them just driving by and those are places to be avoided period, I do not and would not take my family in one. So be alert look around and If you need it spelled out for you at the door then maybe you should not be carrying in the first place.... Be safe!!

 

[thunderlounge]

Nope both wrong it is obvious as all get-out, there are just bars that may serve some greasy disgusting item they call food, and there are the places that serve good food and will be packed with people at tables eating and not just there to drink their meal.

I know you all know of these places.... AKA A Dive that you would not go into with out an armed escort and where the cockroaches eat for free, V.S. someplace you would take the wife or maybe a good friend for a nice meal that also serves hard liquor.... Let's not get silly here boys....

Not to derail the thread, but a couple months ago I had lunch in a club. It wasn't exactly a dive, it was actually pretty decent, but the intent was certainly towards alcohol sales. That being said, lunch was freakin amazing, and it's definitely made it onto the top of my places to eat there.

I will agree that basic common sense should apply, and you can usually tell if it's a bar with something to occasionally graze on, or a restaurant which also has a nice bar to go along with it.

 

[Wolfling68]

In Florida, it is actually fairly easy to seperate bars from resturants. If people are smoking, it's a bar, if no one is smoking, it's a resturant. I discovered this in a place I used to hang out in. Before 10pm, the place was a resturant, no smoking; after 10 it was a bar. The determination was based on when the alcohol sales exceeded the food sales. Weird.....