I am looking for a concealed carry hand gun and I am looking at one of three hand guns.
They are the
- Sig Pro 2022 Nitron 9mm,
- CZ 75D Compact 9mm
- Beretta 92 Compact 9mm.
Need some input. Which would you buy and why?
This is particularly problematic during a gunfight when clearing a malfunction
Voice of experience ?
Aside from the grip size, in my estimation, the single biggest flaw in the design is the slide mounted safety. The location of the safety doesn’t lend to easy operation with the strong hand thumb, yet it is unacceptably easy to inadvertently flip the lever to safe during slide manipulations with the support hand. I wish I could wave a magic wand and instantly turn all 92’s into “G” models, which would change the safety lever to a simple decocker. Far too many times I have seen officers accidentally place their pistol on safe while racking the slide during a reload or malfunction clearance drill. The result is very confused officer wondering why their gun isn’t firing, and sometimes it takes a couple Tap-Rack-Assess cycles for the officer to realize the pistol is on safe.
Additionally, having a safety on top of the slide means that when performing malfunction drills, or when manipulating the slide during a reload, shooters might accidentally put the weapon in “safe” mode. That’d be bad in the middle of a gunfight. To avoid that, shooters should use the sling shot method, but that’s old school and doesn’t account for gross motor skill usage. The sling shot method is not the best practice when fighting under major stress.
...I don't like manual safeties because I've seen too many people forget to take them off plinking at the range (zero stress) to trust it in a fight...
None of those. Love my M&Pc or glock19
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Personally, I would go with the Beretta...mainly because of their longevity in making quality firearms, plus, I just like Berettas. I would suggest however, to either order one in the "G" configuration (decocker only), or make it a decocker yourself, provided you can't find one to order.I am looking for a concealed carry hand gun and I am looking at one of three hand guns.
They are the
- Sig Pro 2022 Nitron 9mm,
- CZ 75D Compact 9mm
- Beretta 92 Compact 9mm.
Need some input. Which would you buy and why?
Personally, I would go with the Beretta...mainly because of their longevity in making quality firearms, plus, I just like Berettas. I would suggest however, to either order one in the "G" configuration (decocker only), or make it a decocker yourself, provided you can't find one to order.
I've never done one on a 92 but have on a PX4 & it took about 15 minutes...& I'm on the slower, tedious, double check myself, end of the spectrum. I imagine it's basically the same procedure.
Good luck on your choice. It's tough with so many choices.
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Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.I like Berettas too. I've never shot the older 92 but I love the crap outta my Storm.
Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.
My first love is my PX4 Compact though. Compact but still full grip. I kept the "ears" when I did the conversion, mainly because I didn't see a need to spend $45 on the low profile kit. I use Kydex holsters so I can train to rack the slide using the safety/decocker ear on a reload...in case my support hand is incompacitated. Can't do that if they're low profile & using the slide release, is the only time I've had an FTF. Of course, that would be an extreme situation, which I'm more than willing to avoid...but you never know.
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Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.
My first love is my PX4 Compact though. Compact but still full grip. I kept the "ears" when I did the conversion, mainly because I didn't see a need to spend $45 on the low profile kit. I use Kydex holsters so I can train to rack the slide using the safety/decocker ear on a reload...in case my support hand is incompacitated. Can't do that if they're low profile & using the slide release, is the only time I've had an FTF. Of course, that would be an extreme situation, which I'm more than willing to avoid...but you never know.
I have never heard of using the safety/decocker ear to rack the slide one handed! Did anyone teach you this method?
Maybe he means the rear sight perhaps?
Well, did you try it with yours? Looking at pictures of the PX4 Compact, the rear sight seems quite slanted, making that rather difficult if not impossible.
No. I just kind of stumbled on it. As I mentioned, I left the batwings on it instead of getting the low profile. I was thinking about grinding some off because the body side one kept catching on the sweat guard of my AG holster when reholstering, so, I thought...hmmm, I wonder if I can rack it on the holster (Kydex) & I tried it & suceeded...all unloaded, of course. Didn't take much to get the hang of it...leaning the barrel out a little to get a better "grip" on the Kydex, holding the grip away just a little so as not to scrape my thumb knuckle, etc., etc.,...but it is a workable, although extreme, training method.I have never heard of using the safety/decocker ear to rack the slide one handed! Did anyone teach you this method?
No. I just kind of stumbled on it. As I mentioned, I left the batwings on it instead of getting the low profile. I was thinking about grinding some off because the body side one kept catching on the sweat guard of my AG holster when reholstering, so, I thought...hmmm, I wonder if I can rack it on the holster (Kydex) & I tried it & suceeded...all unloaded, of course. Didn't take much to get the hang of it...leaning the barrel out a little to get a better "grip" on the Kydex, holding the grip away just a little so as not to scrape my thumb knuckle, etc., etc.,...but it is a workable, although extreme, training method.
I had seen vids of people racking with their sights but as pointed out, they are a bit slanted. The "ears" are the bane of Storm owners because of how they stick out, so I figured I would make use of them. It will take a ton of practice to make it something I would make a practice though. Always thinking.
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