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macneilj

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I am looking for a concealed carry hand gun and I am looking at one of three hand guns.
They are the

  • Sig Pro 2022 Nitron 9mm,
  • CZ 75D Compact 9mm
  • Beretta 92 Compact 9mm.

Need some input. Which would you buy and why?
 
I am looking for a concealed carry hand gun and I am looking at one of three hand guns.
They are the

  • Sig Pro 2022 Nitron 9mm,
  • CZ 75D Compact 9mm
  • Beretta 92 Compact 9mm.

Need some input. Which would you buy and why?

None of these. Get the Sig P320 Compact 9mm or the Glock 19. They are reliable, easy to operate, have no extra safeties that get in your way, and are maintainable by the owner. The Sig P320 is a truly modular handgun, meaning you can easily change the size and caliber. The Glock 19 is pure simplicity, meaning the gun has only 36 parts, including the magazine parts, that are all maintainable. The Glock has a lower bore axis than the Sig, meaning recoil is easier to manage.

All of the firearms you selected are outdated designs, some of them are quite outdated. The Beretta 92 has a slide-mounted safety/decocker, which creates some issues. When racking the slide, you can accidentally decock the Beretta and make it unusable. This is particularly problematic during a gunfight when clearing a malfunction.

In any case, go to a range that rents handguns and try them out. Get some training so you actually know what you are doing and what information your decision should be based on.

Don't be this guy:

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Voice of experience ?

Not mine, but those that I trained with and had the "pleasure" to carry the Beretta.

Also, from BERETTA 92FS: THE FORGOTTEN SERVICE PISTOL:

Aside from the grip size, in my estimation, the single biggest flaw in the design is the slide mounted safety. The location of the safety doesn’t lend to easy operation with the strong hand thumb, yet it is unacceptably easy to inadvertently flip the lever to safe during slide manipulations with the support hand. I wish I could wave a magic wand and instantly turn all 92’s into “G” models, which would change the safety lever to a simple decocker. Far too many times I have seen officers accidentally place their pistol on safe while racking the slide during a reload or malfunction clearance drill. The result is very confused officer wondering why their gun isn’t firing, and sometimes it takes a couple Tap-Rack-Assess cycles for the officer to realize the pistol is on safe.

Also, from My four beefs with the Beretta M9:

Additionally, having a safety on top of the slide means that when performing malfunction drills, or when manipulating the slide during a reload, shooters might accidentally put the weapon in “safe” mode. That’d be bad in the middle of a gunfight. To avoid that, shooters should use the sling shot method, but that’s old school and doesn’t account for gross motor skill usage. The sling shot method is not the best practice when fighting under major stress.

 
So, first I have to agree that none of those guns would be on my list for carry. That said if I had to pick one of the it would be the CZ. My reasoning would be that's the one I have experience with.

When it comes to self defense I want the simplest handgun I can carry. I don't like two different trigger pulls (I actually stopped cold in training once because the trigger pull on a 5906 felt so different between the first and second shot I thought is was broken. I don't like manual safeties because I've seen too many people forget to take them off plinking at the range (zero stress) to trust it in a fight.

I would really take a look at a Glock19 before you make your final choice
 
...I don't like manual safeties because I've seen too many people forget to take them off plinking at the range (zero stress) to trust it in a fight...

I think a lot of that is a training issue and a lack of learned muscle memory from lack of practice.

As I've said before, if muscle memory and discipline can be achieved with a trigger-safety pistol, the same goes for a gun with a safety, especially from someone like myself who only has experience with guns that has a safety that has to be turned off before you can shoot it.
 
I am looking for a concealed carry hand gun and I am looking at one of three hand guns.
They are the

  • Sig Pro 2022 Nitron 9mm,
  • CZ 75D Compact 9mm
  • Beretta 92 Compact 9mm.

Need some input. Which would you buy and why?
Personally, I would go with the Beretta...mainly because of their longevity in making quality firearms, plus, I just like Berettas. I would suggest however, to either order one in the "G" configuration (decocker only), or make it a decocker yourself, provided you can't find one to order.
I've never done one on a 92 but have on a PX4 & it took about 15 minutes...& I'm on the slower, tedious, double check myself, end of the spectrum. I imagine it's basically the same procedure.
Good luck on your choice. It's tough with so many choices.

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Personally, I would go with the Beretta...mainly because of their longevity in making quality firearms, plus, I just like Berettas. I would suggest however, to either order one in the "G" configuration (decocker only), or make it a decocker yourself, provided you can't find one to order.
I've never done one on a 92 but have on a PX4 & it took about 15 minutes...& I'm on the slower, tedious, double check myself, end of the spectrum. I imagine it's basically the same procedure.
Good luck on your choice. It's tough with so many choices.

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I like Berettas too. I've never shot the older 92 but I love the crap outta my Storm.
 
I like Berettas too. I've never shot the older 92 but I love the crap outta my Storm.
Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.
My first love is my PX4 Compact though. Compact but still full grip. I kept the "ears" when I did the conversion, mainly because I didn't see a need to spend $45 on the low profile kit. I use Kydex holsters so I can train to rack the slide using the safety/decocker ear on a reload...in case my support hand is incompacitated. Can't do that if they're low profile & using the slide release, is the only time I've had an FTF. Of course, that would be an extreme situation, which I'm more than willing to avoid...but you never know.

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Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.
My first love is my PX4 Compact though. Compact but still full grip. I kept the "ears" when I did the conversion, mainly because I didn't see a need to spend $45 on the low profile kit. I use Kydex holsters so I can train to rack the slide using the safety/decocker ear on a reload...in case my support hand is incompacitated. Can't do that if they're low profile & using the slide release, is the only time I've had an FTF. Of course, that would be an extreme situation, which I'm more than willing to avoid...but you never know.

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Full size 40 Storm here. Love it to death. Came close to buying a sub-compact Storm in either 9mm or a 40 but since I was in the market for a single stack sub compact for easier and more comfortable conceal carry I decided against it and bought my next love, my little LC9S Ruger. I still may look into that sub-compact Storm tho just because I liked it so much and the way it fit my hand.

That new APX is pretty sexy too. Got to hold one of those over vacation.
 
Same here. I want to get either a 92 (F or FS) or the M91A3, although, I'm not crazy about the 1911 styling of it...but it comes with backstraps that give a more classic grip.
My first love is my PX4 Compact though. Compact but still full grip. I kept the "ears" when I did the conversion, mainly because I didn't see a need to spend $45 on the low profile kit. I use Kydex holsters so I can train to rack the slide using the safety/decocker ear on a reload...in case my support hand is incompacitated. Can't do that if they're low profile & using the slide release, is the only time I've had an FTF. Of course, that would be an extreme situation, which I'm more than willing to avoid...but you never know.

I have never heard of using the safety/decocker ear to rack the slide one handed! Did anyone teach you this method?
 
Well, did you try it with yours? Looking at pictures of the PX4 Compact, the rear sight seems quite slanted, making that rather difficult if not impossible.

No, I don't think I ever tried it after watching that video you posted on it long time ago.
 
I have never heard of using the safety/decocker ear to rack the slide one handed! Did anyone teach you this method?
No. I just kind of stumbled on it. As I mentioned, I left the batwings on it instead of getting the low profile. I was thinking about grinding some off because the body side one kept catching on the sweat guard of my AG holster when reholstering, so, I thought...hmmm, I wonder if I can rack it on the holster (Kydex) & I tried it & suceeded...all unloaded, of course. Didn't take much to get the hang of it...leaning the barrel out a little to get a better "grip" on the Kydex, holding the grip away just a little so as not to scrape my thumb knuckle, etc., etc.,...but it is a workable, although extreme, training method.
I had seen vids of people racking with their sights but as pointed out, they are a bit slanted. The "ears" are the bane of Storm owners because of how they stick out, so I figured I would make use of them. It will take a ton of practice to make it something I would make a practice though. Always thinking.

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No. I just kind of stumbled on it. As I mentioned, I left the batwings on it instead of getting the low profile. I was thinking about grinding some off because the body side one kept catching on the sweat guard of my AG holster when reholstering, so, I thought...hmmm, I wonder if I can rack it on the holster (Kydex) & I tried it & suceeded...all unloaded, of course. Didn't take much to get the hang of it...leaning the barrel out a little to get a better "grip" on the Kydex, holding the grip away just a little so as not to scrape my thumb knuckle, etc., etc.,...but it is a workable, although extreme, training method.
I had seen vids of people racking with their sights but as pointed out, they are a bit slanted. The "ears" are the bane of Storm owners because of how they stick out, so I figured I would make use of them. It will take a ton of practice to make it something I would make a practice though. Always thinking.

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I hope this is a Type G (decocker and no manual safety) and not Type F (decocker and manual safety)!

You have to point the barrel away from your legs anyway to maintain the rules of firearm safety. There is a method where you hold the gun one-handed with your thumb on the back of the grip (not the slide!). It's a bit awkward and usually only used for left-handed type 3 malfunction clearance on a handgun that has the slide stop on the right side. I still would not advise to rack the slide one-handed using the decocker ear, though. Also, this isn't going to work left-handed as the ejection port will be facing your body.

I am not an instructor and, by your own admission, you have not had the training. I highly advise you to take a training class and work with an instructor on this. The instructor will observe what you are doing and check if it is done safely.

With a good rear sight that has a straight edge, you can rack that slide at almost anything, such as on the belt through a shirt (no need to lift up the shirt or hit the belt buckle).

 

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