So i work in a factory and the other night 2 guys got in a fight. Well you know how places are everyone got involved. Me included I held back one of the guys. Now here's the thing though, since I'm waiting on my gun permit like everyone else, what if I he would have come after me for holding him back and he had a weapon that put my life in danger. And I am just saying I would have felt safer with my firearm by my side. No one got seriously hurt but you never know.
Need opinions on a situation that happen.
- Thread starter crenz66
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Guess what once you start carrying you are going to have to let things like that pass. You will have to avoid all confrontations. When you carry a gun you have fewer options not more. Every altercation you get into now ends in someone dead. Do everyone a favor and leave the gun at home until you realize that.
No you would have been considered at fault. If other ppl are splitting it up stay out. Unless you are the only person around and you seriously feel someone's life is in immediate danger. I last summer was at a pig roast and some biker guy was knocking the crap out of his woman. Noone helped her so I knocked his face into oblivion. But my fire arm never even crossed my mind. That is only and I mean only for life threatening situations. And only that. And say he woulda kicked the crap out if me. Oh well so be it. The only way it would ever b in play is if he woulda started beating me and wouldn't stop to the point of I seen him killing me. Or another weapon was involved and even then I may have got into serious trouble because I aggressed first even tho his woman was in need of help. So when you carry mind your own business unless you have no option. And even then don't even consider your weapon unless a life is in serious danger. And 90% of the time that just won't be
Itstjs
New member
When it comes to work place situations like that, its best to let them duke it out and let someone else step in. Too many bad things could happen. Your suggested scenario is one of them, Im not going to get into the what if's, too many scenarios and gets off topic real quick.
Best thing to do is be a good witness, last thing you want to do is get fired for being involved in the fight, even if you were trying to break it up, especially once your CPL comes in, when you get that, you have to pick and choose fights, not every scenario with a pipe or ball bat calls for you to pull your gun, 90% of people will use it as an intimidation factor to get you to back off, but then again, thats another can of worms. Everyone makes their own choices, you have to figure out for yourself what you would do and be damn sure youre making the right decision, theres legal and civil issues at a work place shooting, be prepared to be sued by the company, and they will most likely not have your back even if its deemed justified.
Best thing to do is be a good witness, last thing you want to do is get fired for being involved in the fight, even if you were trying to break it up, especially once your CPL comes in, when you get that, you have to pick and choose fights, not every scenario with a pipe or ball bat calls for you to pull your gun, 90% of people will use it as an intimidation factor to get you to back off, but then again, thats another can of worms. Everyone makes their own choices, you have to figure out for yourself what you would do and be damn sure youre making the right decision, theres legal and civil issues at a work place shooting, be prepared to be sued by the company, and they will most likely not have your back even if its deemed justified.
What is with all these members. Fights all around them, traffic altercations around them, house break ins all around them--where do you all live? 71 years old and none, nada, never facing any of the above--period/end of story. As wisely said by aoakleyc, forget about CC if you cannot stay out of these situations either--situational awareness comes to mind to me as the number one precursor to not having to read these kind of "what ifs"---you are CC, you are now a little old lady from Pasadena pussycat. If you cannot be that or somehow feel that CC means you should be thinking about every situation around you, then maybe you should rethink your demeanor, your living situation and your mindset---having a firearm and having all these kinds of things going on around you is a recipe for a big problem if you cannot find a solution for same.
Appreciate if there are no replies that have to nit-pick my comments--it is all about common sense and responsibilty--that is all I am trying to say.
Axeanda45
Banned
Why dont YOU do US a favor and NOT give out false advice???
tcox4freedom
New member
Just be thankful God has "Blessed" and protected you Kel. He knows what you can & cannot handle in your life.
On one hand, I wish God had protected & shielded me more from some of what has happened in my life; like He has you. But, on the other hand (hindsight being 20/20), I can see that God has been directing my life to bring me to the place I am today.
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Treo
Bullet Proof
I think a lot of it depends on your work place’s work place violence policy. I worked for several years in a factory where the policy was dirt simple, you throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone. It didn’t matter how you what if’d it the answer was always the same. And FWIW when they said "you're gone" they meant you get up off the floor and get walked to the nearest exit right then and there.
“He swung first”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
“Self defense”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
“I was trying to stop the fight”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
Second if you start carrying a gun at work sooner or later someone is going to find out and you are going to get fired.
Leave the gun at home
“He swung first”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
“Self defense”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
“I was trying to stop the fight”
You throw a punch (or put your hand on a co-worker) and you’re gone.
Second if you start carrying a gun at work sooner or later someone is going to find out and you are going to get fired.
Leave the gun at home
Treo
Bullet Proof
I don't think I could agree with this post more if I wrote it.
Kramer1113
New member
I hate leaving my gun at home when I go to work, but I do because I cannot lose my job because I chose to carry. Sometimes I have that internal struggle that says "But you can't lose your life because you weren't armed". This internal discussion always ends the same,
Leave Your Gun At Home.
Leave Your Gun At Home.
r1derbike
New member
I'm in complete agreement with Kramer1113; even if your place of employ allowed CC (and I've not heard of any that do, but there are exceptions), it would be foolish leaving yourself and the business (deep pockets syndrome) open to costly litigation if things don't go as planned. If you want to step-in then, your call, but I wouldn't get involved in any way when workplace violence erupts, unless your life is in imminent danger. Your defense will be without your gun, unfortunately. Perhaps you could talk with management about what happened in detail, and ask them if there is anything you may do to protect yourself if another situation arises.
I worked for a large corporation for 18 years and had my life threatened twice. I had a meeting with the company legal department, and was told to do whatever I needed, to feel safe, while I was employed by them. This left the door wide open for defense options, but I didn't record the session and didn't get anything in writing, of course, and if something did happen, there would have been a chorus of denial about what was said to me. I never brought a weapon to work. I had enough defensive tools in my electronics laboratory that unless someone had a gun, I would be well prepared.
It's sad that we have to deal with members of our degenerate subculture in our lives, but this is how it is in the real world, and thank goodness these issues are few compared to the big picture.
I also worked in a factory that made Craftsman power tools while I was going to college, and most "disagreements" were settled with a few foul exchanges of words, and never got beyond that. Good luck.
BC1
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INTRO 101:
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Let them fight. You're not a cop. Call 911. Do you know how many people get arrested for merely trying to breakup a fight? Do you know how many people get their own teeth knocked-out or suffer some other injury? Don't get sucked-in. If two guys want to fight I'm eating popcorn. If a couple of jerk-wads can't control themselves and act like adults, let 'em beat the hell out of each other.
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Your gun? Are you kidding? You better forget carrying a gun if you think it's warranted in such a situation. First, in most states you have no claim of self defense or of any affirmative defense. In order to claim such you must be the completely innocent victim, You cannot escalate or initiate the confrontation. In some states being involved in any form of harassment or assault while carrying a gun automatically causes you to be charged with a gun crime.
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Take a GOOD PP class. One that covers the law in your state. Focus on the best responses to conflict... AVOIDANCE, AWARENESS. DETERRENCE, DE-ESCALATION and lastly, RETREAT. One wrong move could cost you tens of thousands in legal bills. Carrying a gun is very serious business. Not to be taken lightly. DO NOT produce a gun unless the threat is of such magnitude that you have to ruin your life.
JCliff
New member
BC1 has it exactly right. Two knuckleheads want to fight? Let ‘em. One gets a broken nose, another a broken collar bone, both get fired and perhaps spend an evening in the county slammer (likely as not). As noted by other posters to this thread, if you intervene physically in an altercation while carrying your firearm you have introduced your firearm into the melee, and have lost your status as an innocent bystander. In any physical tussle even a deeply concealed firearm is likely to be discovered. In the blink of an eye you could be in a real-live weapon retention struggle with life and death consequences (by the way, how much instruction have you had in that, and how often do you practice?). Stay out. Call the cops and your supervisor. Am I suggesting that there are no situations in which one should intervene? No, but I am suggesting that the situation you described did not require your intervention, and DEFINITELY NOT if you had been armed.
TroutStalker
New member
Sigh...........
BC1
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Yup! And after reading your response I remembered an incident from some years ago. I was in my late twenties working as Director of IT at a small college. Now I got two knuckleheads been eyeballing each other for months and they eventually have an altercation. There's two doors into my office. The first, a young engineering trainee comes in and tells me he had an altercation. As he's telling me the other guy comes in through the other door and they start arguing across my desk. I stood-up, leaned over my desk, put my arms up to separate them and wallah... I get punched in the chest. They both stopped, looked at me shocked. I sent them each back to their offices. I had payroll prep their outstanding vacation pay, sick-time and such, called the sheriff (it was a county community college) and fired them.
What is false about it. When you are speaking to someone who thinks carrying a gun will make them Rambo or perhaps Robocop,you need to point out the worst case sceneario so they might grasp the gravity of the situation.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
If you work in a gun shop, you'll never have to worry about leaving your gun home.:smile: Unless you forget it.:fie:
But yes, I know the feeling as a state gov't employee. No guns allowed unless allowed during an emergency. During an emergency, there was someone with an M-16 nearby or in the building with private guns in private vehicles.
Axeanda45
Banned
Let me see... You have NO CLUE about what you wrote that was 100% wrong/false, correct?
Maybe you should read what you yourself wrote and figure it out......
But.. since it looks like you actually have no clue, I will be nice and actually point it out to you... You stated " Every altercation you get into now ends in someone dead." How in the heck can you possibly say that with any certainty at all??? YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what will happen in any situation, much less one YOU are not involved in yourself....
IF your statement is anywhere near true, we would be hearing about thousands of deaths EVERY DAY where someone who was armed got into a fight and the firearm went berserk and killed the other guy, because, you know, aoakleyc says that every fight that happens when someone has a gun on them, SOMEONE ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS ENDS UP DEAD....... Have you ever seen the study that shows there are MILLIONS of defensive gun uses every year where no shots were fired, and NO-ONE was killed?
Now do you see how wrong your statement was/is???
rifleshooter474
New member
Unless you enjoy maybe getting arrested having to be bonded out of jail being prosecuted, have to hire an Attorney to defend you then having the fun of going to court for many Months and maybe being found guilty. Then being in the DOC for Months then having a Judge send you to a state prison. I would not get involved again in someone else's fight.
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