NE Florida Panera Bread Now Posted No Weapons Allowed !!

[BluesStringer]

BC1 can't live his life around gun rights , he could he just can't be bothered to do it I hope one day he has no rights to

You "hope" BC1 "has no rights?" Then you "hope" the same thing for yourself. Until people learn to defend the rights of those they disagree with, dislike or hate, the reality of individual freedom will continue to degrade and disappear.

I happen to disagree with BC that no businesses suffer when gun owners activate against them. There are a minimum of 80 million gun owners in this country. Alienate enough of them, and that is a formidable economic power working against a business' interests due to the perception of the group that the business is working against their interests. Right, wrong or indifferent, perceptions contribute to purchasing decisions of the individual. To say "I don't care about the perceptions of 80 million of my potential customers' interests" seems a poor business model to me.

As wrong and as shortsighted as I believe that stance is though, I hope that BC1's, as well as everyone else's, rights expand rather than retract. I would no more hope for someone to lose their rights than I would hope for them to spend eternity in Hell. You have the right to disagree with anyone. You even have the right to wish they didn't have rights, but once you do, you condemn yourself to the same fate, because if BC1's rights aren't protected, none of ours are.

I read something recently that seems apropos here:

Learn to defend the individual rights of people you hate. Paradoxical, no? This my friends, is the crux of freedom. I’ll be honest. In my head I’ve choked out 40% of my fellow Americans because I think they are vapid, brain-dead, collectivist tools that have squandered their freedom for the illusion of security by centralized government. From reading the media they put out, they’ve already got me lined up for a bullet in the back of the head NKVD-style because I love my freedom, guns, and whiskey, and find illegitimate any vote to strip me of any of those or related things, no matter how “democratic” the process was.

I find vapid, brain-dead, collectivist tools that have squandered their freedom in one way or another nearly every time I open a thread around here lately.

Blues

 

[mooosie]

Sorry about that I hit the send button before I was done and couldn't get it back of course I don't hope he or anyone else has no rights what I was trying to say was I hope he or we don't get into a position where we have no rights to live around the point is if you believe in the bill of rights all of them isn't it worth a little inconvenience to fight for them also I don't hate or wish anything bad on anyone who disagrees with me except maybe muslims


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

The family and I went inside a Panera Bread once while on vacation in Washington state. We didn't like anything we saw, so we ate next door at the Panda Express. No loss for me.

 

[mooosie]

I am on a body beautiful program Much needed buy the way I really loved Paneras granny rolls and other pasteries soup and half a sandwich never did turn me on but now I will do without Panera alltogether


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[gfrlaser]

The response from Panera to my letter to them.

I’m very sorry to hear you disagree with our policy. Within our company, we strive to create Panera Warmth, which means, among other things, creating bakery-cafe environments where customers and associates feel comfortable. Panera Bread respects the rights of gun owners, but we do believe asking that customers not bring their firearms inside our bakery-cafes is consistent with the bakery-cafe environment we are attempting to create.

Thank you for taking the time to write to us and share your comments.

Sincerely,
Panera Bread

 

[mappow]

The response from Panera to my letter to them.

I’m very sorry to hear you disagree with our policy. Within our company, we strive to create Panera Warmth, which means, among other things, creating bakery-cafe environments where customers and associates feel comfortable. Panera Bread respects the rights of gun owners, but we do believe asking that customers not bring their firearms inside our bakery-cafes is consistent with the bakery-cafe environment we are attempting to create.

Thank you for taking the time to write to us and share your comments.

Sincerely,
Panera Bread

I would respond that due to their false sense of security at all their locations. I will no longer patronize their business and I will insure this travesty of the Second Amendment is disseminated through all my contacts and networks and posted for the World to see on the internet. With that, you have made a business decision and I have made a consumer decision. Please understand that since you have declared yourself a gun free zone. You'll now be open to litigation and suits concerning anyone harmed by criminals that are gun carrying in your establishment due to your prohibition of citizens carrying legally. It's your business, it's your call. My choice will not be to utilize your business model. I'll eat, entertain, feed co-workers, and just pass on to other businesses that are not so restrictive on my Constitutional Rights.

 

[mooosie]

I hope all gun owning families freedom loving families will make whatever sacrifice is necessary and make them really sorry


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[mappow]

Lets start a email push: Link Removed

Sending mine now.

 

[mooosie]

Just did mine


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Niland]

Good news! There's a local bakery across the street my local Panera! They have better coffee and bread/pastries than Panera. The manager struck up a conversation and I told her is been transplanted by a policy decision at Panera and she knew immediately my dilemma told me to spread the word. She welcomed us and our concealed handguns. Yay for Merritt's, and while I don't suggest you disclose your carry status, I encourage all of you to stretch your horizons and find a tastier and better managed place to enjoy a morning pastry.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[apvbguy]

here is their response to me, obviously not too much thought went into it, it is a typical canned response, boycott panera!


I’m very sorry to hear you disagree with our policy. Within our company, we strive to create Panera Warmth, which means, among other things, creating bakery-cafe environments where customers and associates feel comfortable. Panera Bread respects the rights of gun owners, but we do believe asking that customers not bring their firearms inside our bakery-cafes is consistent with the bakery-cafe environment we are attempting to create.

Thank you for taking the time to write to us and share your comments.

Sincerely,
Panera Bread

 

[mappow]

Choice, it's all about choice. Something the Libs don't want you to have. It's as basic as that.

 

[mooosie]

I choose not to patronize Panera


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[xgunr]

Been giving it a lot of thought , panera has it's rights, but not my rights to give away. Here is what I intend to do. Friday I am going in, buying one last cup of coffee to go. I am going to have a letter all ready written to the local manager who is a peach but is on no position to do anything about this , in the letter I will address my and many other retired and current l police officers who will no longer patronize panera because of there company's gun policy, I'll include my frequent flier card as well and end this nonsense and take my money elsewhere. I plan on sending a copy to governor Scott's office for I actually have a picture of him standing in line with me at this exact store. I hope to ask him to comment on the panera policy as well, seeing it's a election year.

 

[BC1]

BC1 can't live his life around gun rights , he could he just can't be bothered to do it I hope one day he has no rights to


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So you wish me harm because I don't live everything in my life around guns? What a dope. Can't be bothered? Laughable. That's far from the reason.

 

[BluesStringer]

As some folks know, I spent several years working for one of the Big Two armored transport companies in the nation. In Alabama, there is no armed security license required. The only license requirement to get hired was a pistol permit, which I never understood because personal concealed back-ups were strictly forbidden, and no permit is required by law while open carrying, which we all did. I drove the branch supervisor around for the first several weeks during training (such as it was), and then was put on a route with a 22 year old kid who, I found out after driving him around for awhile, had never even held a gun in his life before a co-worker friend of his convinced him to get a permit and apply for the job, which he got because of timing more than anything as the branch had two people walk off the job the day before he went in to apply. The extent of his "experience" shooting was one box of 50 rounds fired downrange with the supervisor at an unsupervised outdoor range down the road a piece, with a little better training being mandatory every six months. I know. Sounds backwards huh? Anyway, there were six full-time routes out of our small branch, most trucks manned by one driver and one messenger, with the one truck that transferred the most cash from the Federal Reserve bank in Birmingham being manned by three. On that truck, the extra guard escorted the messenger to and from the truck but stayed outside with an 870 and his sidearm open carried. For about a year, the extra guard on that truck was another youngin' who had zero experience before coming to the company, yet there he was day after day standing outside of the Fed bank and every other stop they had on their route with a 12 ga. in the low ready position and a .40 caliber openly carried.

I gave that little background to say this: On the route that I drove for the first two years I worked there, we had two Panera Bread locations that we picked up and delivered change-orders to. I left that job at the end of 2012 and by that time, there were eight locations throughout our branch. So the fact is, Panera isn't anti-gun as long as the carrier is guarding their cash or delivering their change-orders, and they don't know, and apparently couldn't care any less, that the people guarding their property with guns couldn't tell them the difference between a Tueller drill and a Black and Decker drill.

So when you write your emails, ask them why they have armed guards transporting their daily receipts, but they ask their customers not to be prepared to defend themselves against the same bad people who would steal their daily receipts if not for the presence of armed men and women that they pay to go in and out of their stores on a daily basis. And if they say it's because they're "trained professionals," tell 'em they're full of sh!t.

Blues

 

[xgunr]

Good Afternoon My Friends, I must say this writer has hit the nail on the head to to speak. The way the owrding I got from the sign, as well as speaking directly to the manger of the local store as well as the store's personal in Yullee, Fl They state no one except a Police Officer (Sheriff) can carry inside thier store. And only if that Police Officer is conducting some offical duties...That said I believe they are saying only while on duty, doing one shift so to speak. I made a point that many officers in the area, will go in before thier shifts maybe on thier way to thier duty assignment to get a coffee or something, I have also seen others who were on there way home, in civilian clothing, patrol car parked outside, thier sidearm either concelaed under there shirt or open carried with thier badge afixed next to thier holster. That officer maybe be considered not conducting his offical duties when just getting some food, so is he breaking there so called Gun rule which is basically a no trespass rule so far as coing in with a gun after being advised not too, by way or a sign or actually being warned by the person owning or in charge of the property. But as stated above they have a securirty guard, and at times I have seen them not only open carrying at panaera, holstered, But with thier firearm in hand pointed down as the leave the store getting into thier vehicle. If they are untrained as in some instances??? Well so goes Panera's arguement of them just wanting a safer place for one and all.. I know some people will read this and say hey your making a bidg deal out of nothing, no, It is a big deal. Someone other than our goverment is saying you ahve a right to carry up to this point, then we decide which right you have or do not have. I also found out that these traveling mangement teams are also making sure there free wireless is blocking access to any and all gun sites, auctions or even manufactures sites. I tried it myself today, logged in, tried to open glocks web site....nope its blocked by thier web sites wireless restrictions. By hey you can search for and get to "Teen Mom?" makes no sense to me. So now I will calm down, try to write a nice letter stating who I am, why I am upset with Paneras gun policy. I will try to post the text of my letter to this site once I get it all set up and ready to be mailed off. Again Thank you to all those people supporting this site. I am betting it will soon be blocked by panera's wireless thugs soon, not yet but soon... XGUNR

 

[vernsimpson]

As some folks know, I spent several years working for one of the Big Two armored transport companies in the nation. In Alabama, there is no armed security license required. The only license requirement to get hired was a pistol permit, which I never understood because personal concealed back-ups were strictly forbidden, and no permit is required by law while open carrying, which we all did. I drove the branch supervisor around for the first several weeks during training (such as it was), and then was put on a route with a 22 year old kid who, I found out after driving him around for awhile, had never even held a gun in his life before a co-worker friend of his convinced him to get a permit and apply for the job, which he got because of timing more than anything as the branch had two people walk off the job the day before he went in to apply. The extent of his "experience" shooting was one box of 50 rounds fired downrange with the supervisor at an unsupervised outdoor range down the road a piece, with a little better training being mandatory every six months. I know. Sounds backwards huh? Anyway, there were six full-time routes out of our small branch, most trucks manned by one driver and one messenger, with the one truck that transferred the most cash from the Federal Reserve bank in Birmingham being manned by three. On that truck, the extra guard escorted the messenger to and from the truck but stayed outside with an 870 and his sidearm open carried. For about a year, the extra guard on that truck was another youngin' who had zero experience before coming to the company, yet there he was day after day standing outside of the Fed bank and every other stop they had on their route with a 12 ga. in the low ready position and a .40 caliber openly carried.

I gave that little background to say this: On the route that I drove for the first two years I worked there, we had two Panera Bread locations that we picked up and delivered change-orders to. I left that job at the end of 2012 and by that time, there were eight locations throughout our branch. So the fact is, Panera isn't anti-gun as long as the carrier is guarding their cash or delivering their change-orders, and they don't know, and apparently couldn't care any less, that the people guarding their property with guns couldn't tell them the difference between a Tueller drill and a Black and Decker drill.

So when you write your emails, ask them why they have armed guards transporting their daily receipts, but they ask their customers not to be prepared to defend themselves against the same bad people who would steal their daily receipts if not for the presence of armed men and women that they pay to go in and out of their stores on a daily basis. And if they say it's because they're "trained professionals," tell 'em they're full of sh!t.

Blues

Very good post Blues! :agree: But I would say that the "uniform" is what makes them "professional! :blink:

 

[BC1]

Sorry about that I hit the send button before I was done and couldn't get it back of course I don't hope he or anyone else has no rights what I was trying to say was I hope he or we don't get into a position where we have no rights to live around the point is if you believe in the bill of rights all of them isn't it worth a little inconvenience to fight for them also I don't hate or wish anything bad on anyone who disagrees with me except maybe muslims


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think I should explain myself. It's not that gun rights aren't important to me. But if I only go to college where guns are respected I won't have the best education. If I only work for gun-friendly employers I'll likely not have the best job. If I sell-out and move to a more friendly state I lose a lot of money. The three things people need in this world are a good education, a good job and financial security. It's not easy to pickup a life and change everything over a single issue.
.
As a former business owner my support for the business community is strong. As a business owner I don't want to be dragged into the gun rights fight. Not by the moms. Not by the pro-gun community. Not by my customers. Not by my employees. Not any more than I want to be dragged into the abortion issue or any other social problem. Now, if forced into the issue I may ban both the moms and the guns. A store owner is not in the gun rights business anymore than he's in the charity business. I'm in business to make money. Period. It isn't guns that pays the bills, it's the business; thus the two shall NEVER conflict. When I've bet my entire future on my success; when I've staked everything on an idea I won't be detracted from my purpose. I was the same way with employees. If you came to me due to interpersonal issues with another employee you may find I fire both parties. I don't have time to involve my business in others' personal likes and feelings. It takes my eye off the ball. It detracts me from focusing purely on profitability; the source of my success. And finally, we all know some people won't patronize a business that doesn't support their gun rights. However many businesses just figure that's the cost of doing business today. It's not just guns. It's abortion, women's rights, domestic violence, discrimination and a myriad of other problems. And millions of people may decide not to patronize my business because I don't agree with their cause. It's nuts. No business can operate that way.
.
While I had an anti-violence policy that prohibited weapons in the workplace I didn't enforce it. I never asked anyone. I never checked anyone. If they carried I wouldn't have known it. Live and let live... to an extent. If I owned a store I would absolutely put-up a sign that protestors will be ejected and the moms are persona non-grata. If I owned a store I would not prohibit firearms. If it's legal there's no issue... until you affect my bottom line or try to force an issue/opinion on me. The real beauty of America is that at that point I can throw someone out by their ear. Free will baby.

 

[snatale42]

there are many panera shops around JAX, which ones are enforcing the anti gun stance?
you do realize that if you are concealing properly the people in panera would never know if you carried inside their shop.
it is up to you to decide if you want to vote with your wallet on their policies, you could just keep going to panera and don't ask don't tell

I half agree with you. Don't forget in some crazy States signs DO have force of law, plus we can't give the people who don't like us our money! Plus we must let them know we've taken our money to their competitor. Simply boycotting them isn't enough.

Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk