I have a CCH permit in NC. I work at a "helpless victims only" workplace (i.e. university campus) so I don't cc on my way to/from work. I know NC permit holders must inform LEO when approached/addressed. But if I am NOT cc'ing and am stopped in my vehicle, is it a good idea to go ahead and inform LEO I am a valid permit holder but am NOT armed? My understanding is the LEO will probably know I have a CCH permit before he approaches me after he runs my license plate. So to tell or not to tell when not cc'ing??
NC "Must Inform LEO" ruling
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Mc1100Aero
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I have gotten in a habit of telling all LEO's. Wether need to or not it's just the respect I give them.
Michael Gordon
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i live in and have a NC and have my ccw i tell them evey time . it does not allway come up by your tag that you have a ccw. there are 2 systems they can look up your tag one will show it and one will not
Firefighterchen
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Follow the law, no more, no less.
misunderstood
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Weather you ha e a chp or not, in nc u have to inform him if you are armed. Not when unarmed. It is concidered open if your shotgun is on the seat no chp needed. Law says still inform. Officer safety is what they are after. I can respect it.
Deanimator
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Do you notify the girl at the cash register in the grocery store?
If not, why not?
Don't you respect her?
Or a bus driver? Or a convenience store clerk? Or a repairman or installer that comes to the house? Why all this DISRESPECT for all these other hard working people? You are the lone customer in a convenience store, I am sure the clerk behind the counter would be much more at ease and comfortable if you told them about your permit and concealed firearm, after all, they just want to go home to their families safe at the end of the shift and any person who walks through that door may be the person intending to rob them, or worse. This is a question that people who tell LEO about their permits and guns "out of respect" have never answered, and I really want to know.
I can't believe the number of people that only have respect for LEO and not for all the other hard working people out there actually earning their paychecks.
So you inform LEO about your gun and permit because you don't trust LEO to act appropriately if they should discover your legally carried firearm?
What the heck is wrong with having EQUAL respect for every other person that has a dangerous job to do? There are 9 professions, according to the Department of Labor that have more likelihood of dying on the job than LEO. One of those is sanitation and recycling workers. Your garbage man contributes greatly to your health and welfare every week by taking away your trash. Have you told them about your gun and permit lately? Why not have the same respect for them? Or how about the farmer that is responsible for feeding your family every day?
There is also a heck of a lot of difference between a firearm being carried in a holster by a person who is already complying with all of LEO's requests than a firearm in the hands.....
If the LEO gets all trigger happy over a firearm in a holster or in a case, carried by a person who is in full compliance with their requests, then they should not be a LEO because they are a danger to themselves, to their fellow LEOs, and to law abiding citizens.
And if a LEO finds out about your permit from his radio or data terminal, SO WHAT?!? Now he has even less reason to ask you anything about any firearm that you might or might not be carrying/transporting. And any LEO that believes a permit is valid just because you give it to him is just plain stupid.
There is also a heck of a lot of difference between a firearm being carried in a holster by a person who is already complying with all of LEO's requests than a firearm in the hands.....
If the LEO gets all trigger happy over a firearm in a holster or in a case, carried by a person who is in full compliance with their requests, then they should not be a LEO because they are a danger to themselves, to their fellow LEOs, and to law abiding citizens.
NavyLCDR: So you inform LEO about your gun and permit because you don't trust LEO to act appropriately if they should discover your legally carried firearm?
Nope. I inform him because I respect the job he's in, not because I worry about how he might react. I don't know whether "he shouldn't be a LEO"...I have no idea how he might react in event he should discover my firearm... I also have no idea what he's been through prior to contacting me... so out of respect for the job he has to do - giving him the benefit of the doubt - is just common courtesy. Your opinion may vary. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
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Nope. I inform him because I respect the job he's in, not because I worry about how he might react. I don't know whether "he shouldn't be a LEO"...I have no idea how he might react in event he should discover my firearm... I also have no idea what he's been through prior to contacting me... so out of respect for the job he has to do - giving him the benefit of the doubt - is just common courtesy. Your opinion may vary. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
)I don't tell LEO about my gun or permit because it has no bearing on the reason they stopped me (99% of the time) and by inviting them to handle the firearm I told them about will only put myself, themselves, and bystanders in more danger if they choose to handle my gun they would not have needed to know about if I didn't tell them.
Nope. I inform him because I respect the job he's in, not because I worry about how he might react. I have no idea how he might react in event he should discover my firearm... I also have no idea what he's been through prior to contacting me... so out of respect for the job he has to do - giving him the benefit of the doubt - is just common courtesy. Your opinion may vary. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
So again, we must ask, why you do not have EQUAL respect for other people making a living at difficult jobs and tell them about your gun and/or permit? Instead of diverting our attention to the respect you have for police officers, why don't we discuss the DISRESPECT you have for other hard working people? That convenience store clerk whose store you have just entered, or the cab you just got into, or the bus you may have just gotten onto may have been the victim/scene of a violent crime the day, week or month before. There is a farmer out there who probably worked harder to put food on your table than a police officer does in an average day and that farmer is more likely to die on the job than the police officer. Why don't you have equal respect for them?
The safest place for my gun is in it's holster not being handled by anyone. The greatest chance I have of it staying in it's holster not being handled by anyone is to not tell a police officer who has me stopped for speeding about it. I am more concerned about my safety and the safety of those around me, including the police officer's, than I am about "respecting" their job. I can show respect to them and for their job in a lot more meaningful ways then telling them about my gun that has no relevance at all to a traffic stop.
Your logic just plain overwhelms me. Or, lack of it...maybe. Either way... your choice.
Translated: "I don't have a logical answer for your question." Why do you not have EQUAL respect for the convenience store clerk who finds themselves alone with you in their store when you might be intending to rob them or they might have been robbed the night before, for all you know?
I want my gun to stay in it's holster where it is completely safe. I don't want some stranger handling it. To me it is completely illogical to invite the one person who actually has the legal authority to take my gun away from me and play with it without my consent to do so. One thing I am accomplishing by telling a police officer about my gun is that I am increasing the chances that they will take it from me and play with it "for officer safety" above and beyond what those chances would be if I kept my mouth shut. That is a risk that I am just not willing to accept. Tell me what is illogical about that?
If law requires notification - completely different - obey the law.
If law requires notification - completely different - obey the law.
What exactly would you or the officer gain from his knowing that you have a permit but aren't carrying?
Seems rather silly to me.
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Come one, guys.... don't you know it is a "good guy" card? The permit is presented to the police officer as some sort of evidence that the subject stopped is a state verified "good guy" and should servr to endear the police officer to the "good guy" subject stopped and lessen the chances of getting a real traffic ticket. After all, it is somehow supposed to allow the police officer to go home safe at night to their family.
Firefighterchen
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Informing an officer: Read the laws, know the laws, understand the laws, follow the laws. Simple as that.
Anything more makes it harder on all of us who demand that both parties just follow the law. Anything less and you have broken the law.
When we are not required by law to inform, we shouldn't. If we get murdered or harassed or treated in any other illegal fashion because the officer feels entitled to this "respect" he is used to (thanks to everyone who informs voluntarily under the premise of "respect and common sense"), the criminal officer should be held 100% accountable for his criminal actions.
Remember, give them an inch, they will take a mile.
Anything more makes it harder on all of us who demand that both parties just follow the law. Anything less and you have broken the law.
When we are not required by law to inform, we shouldn't. If we get murdered or harassed or treated in any other illegal fashion because the officer feels entitled to this "respect" he is used to (thanks to everyone who informs voluntarily under the premise of "respect and common sense"), the criminal officer should be held 100% accountable for his criminal actions.
Remember, give them an inch, they will take a mile.
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