Nationwide Concealed Carry Reciprocity In The Senate


Bohemian

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Concealed Carry Reciprocity In The Senate

Write your senator(s) about it now...

Vitter To Introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Gun Owners of America
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Senator David Vitter (R-LA) is planning to introduce a concealed carry reciprocity bill next week.

Senator Vitter had been working closely with Gun Owners of America to draft and file a reciprocity amendment a few weeks ago, but that amendment, unfortunately, never saw the light of day -- thanks to powerful opponents inside the Senate.

However, Sen. Vitter has continued undaunted and last week sent a Dear Colleague letter to his fellow senators, asking them to cosponsor his forthcoming bill, the "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act."

The Vitter bill treats concealed carry permits much the same as drivers' licenses, where one state's license is recognized in all other states.

In addressing the matter of reciprocity, the first concern of GOA and Sen. Vitter is that it be done constitutionally and that it respects states' rights.

Unlike another senate reciprocity measure, S. 388, Vitter’s bill does not establish "national standards" for concealed carry. It simply says that states that allow concealed carry must recognize the CCW permits of other states.

Vitter's bill also respects the rights of states that allow concealed carry without a permit. Citizens of Vermont and non-license holders in Alaska are allowed to carry concealed without a permit. Under the Vitter bill, these states would be recognized in the same manner as states that do issue permits.

States that do not allow concealed carry at all are not forced, under the Vitter bill, to recognize out-of-state permits. There are currently two such states, Illinois and Wisconsin. While it is deplorable that these states refuse to trust their citizens with firearms, this is an issue that has to be dealt with at the state level.

Citizens should not be forced to sacrifice their right to self-defense at the state line. The Vitter bill will allow more Americans to defend themselves away from their home state.

Action: Please urge your two Senators to become original cosponsors of the Vitter "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act."... by following the link to Gun Owners Of America below...

GOA Alert-- June 18, 2008
 

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Canis-Lupus

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I'll give it a try.

Hi Bohemian,
I am glad you are tracking and posting 2nd Amendment HR's, bills and upcoming votes to the very group it affects the most. Hope it came thru Cap-Wiz ©, the e-mailers that let us know what is going down long B 4 it even goes onto the floors or the Senate or Congress on so many issues, and those pre-formatted replies take the work out of long rants.
I am all for one nation, 1 gun law, then make CCW a (controlled) federal not state standard, unless DC is your home, the day they allow open or CCW in that den of paranoid sheeple will be the day ObL gets an invite to lecture us on human rights at the U.N! But to arm a Marion ex-felon with a weapons/robbery rap sheet a mile long is not wise now he walks free, so some vetting would have to happen 1st. Do the millions of drunks who fill our bars every night/weekend or sit home sucking up cases of beer and maybe popping pills have the clarity of mind to fire as a very last resort or because some one spilled their beer, cut 'em off in traffic or their neighbor's cat crapped on their lawn AGAIN?
Going to tell a quick true story. I was stationed in AZ, and lots of little old folks were getting their pensions jacked and beat the f-up too by young local hoods. So a law was passed making CC carry a lot easier to get and the gun stores emptied within a week of pistols. The effects were the most radical drop in violent crimes I ever saw. Young gangs of prowling gang-bangers would see an old lady coming and walk away, the few that tied to grab her cash found themselves shot dead, word spread fast and some of the roughest parts of that state like Nogales became very safe hoods. Not sure if that's still the law, but if every BG figured that their next prey were potentially as dangerous to them as they were to their next victim, then that might be progress. I can just hear the screams of the anti-gun anything crusaders blocking that into one big legal quagmire. But let's say in the near future terror revisits us not with a 9/11 event, but with ongoing and regular country-wide acts of anti-American fanatical religious motivtated fervor, the desire to inflict Jihadist horror with no desire for personal profit, bombings, shootings and a situation the cops could no longer control fueled not by petty crime but by say a mere 100K a-Q sleepers who suddenly got their orders from NYC to San Francisco & acted on those orders. Far fetched? Not really, count our 5 million Muslim (and growing) population many with kin back in U-name-it-Stan and figure out how many really support GWB and his wars, and how many would go Jihad on us with terror tricks that work off cheap cell-phones and garden fertilizer! Shit 50% of the WASPs do not like Iraq but just grumble about it R not folks I worry about! The NG ain't trained or enough of them left (state-side) to stick even a squad in every town, then like many other war-torn nations who take death as a daily/weekly status-quo then just maybe someone would see the sense in arming most law abiing members of the public who have cleared an NIC check to counter that threat, and then train them for maybe a week or 2 with pay, then issue them an M9 or M16 as a public service not a requirement to go pay their cash in a gun store. Now it takes shape.
I'll follow the link, sign it but this side of a new president who if it turns into an Obama-nation then we can all kiss the 2nd goodbye and only cops or criminals will have shooters, me and you will be criminals too if we don't turn our guns in to some federal building when that law passes about a year after Obamnization. If you have counter points please try to make them worth a read or send the flames to me by private e-mail, thanks.
Good luck from me 2 U...

Canis-Lupus
 

Bohemian

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Concealed Carry Reciprocity In The Senate

Thanks Gray Wolf (AKA: Canis-Lupus)...

Yes Arizona still has a CCW provision, I have family there, I live in Vegas and am a card-carrying CCW holder... USMC Vet...

Although, I miss-titled my thread "Nationwide" Concealed Carry Reciprocity In The Senate... when in fact it only affects those states that already allow CCW...

All attempts at a Nationwide CCW Reciprocity have failed to date, but those like the Gun Owners of America are relentless in getting some version of Reciprocity in...

This particular information came from signing up for Action Alerts at Gun Owners of America

Whom are to the right of the NRA...

One of the many things I like about the idea of CCW Reciprocity is that I do not have to continue to pay for CCW's in multiple states, to cover when I travel...

What I would really like to see is a Nationwide Federal Reciprocity Act, which repeals any and all gun bans, registrations, etc., regardless of type, your zip code etc and stop trying to re-interpret the second amendment...
What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do these antis like Barack Hussein Obama, Billary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Schumer, Michael Bloomberg, et. al., [/FONT] not understand?

Some people might say that this goes against the constitution, in not letting the states make their own laws, I would say that the states should not be allowed to infringe on a inherent, god-given, inalienable, fundamental right of every U.S. born citizen, to defend themselves by any means necessary, any time, any place, any where, utilizing equal or greater force then may be potentially brought against them...

A good recent example of practical need for the civilian ownership of class III weapons would be Katrina...
armed gangs of criminals were robbing in mass, and the police were quitting, and while a shotgun, semi-automatic rifle and or pistol might be a deterrent, what would you rather have when 20 armed criminals break into your house?

I have written my Senators, asking for their support, of the CCW Reciprocity bill aforesaid and everybody in Nevada should know that I received a positive response within 11 hours from Nevada U.S. Senator John Ensign.

I would also like to encourage everybody to research and post any anti-second amendment actions of their applicable sitting senators, representatives, governors, mayors and any of their other state, federal, local and other municipalities officials...

Everybody should know who the antis are in their area, and do their part to make sure they do not get reelected, there is not just a presidential election in November there is a number of key congressional seats up for grabs; and we need to be mindful that all branches of our government do not end up with a uber liberal, left-wing democrat majority...

For Nevada; U.S. Senator John Ensign = Good Guy, Mayor Oscar Goodman = Bad Guy, U.S. Senator Harry Reid = Bad Guy, State Senator Bob Beers = Good Guy, Governor Jim Gibbons = Good Guy, State Senator Warren Hardy = Good Guy...
Their may be others, but these are the ones that I personally can vouch for...

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99sparks

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It would be interesting to see what CA would do. Have to allow any out of state person with a CCW to carry…. But still not issue to residents with the exception of “special” people.
 

Canis-Lupus

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I see your point now, but still see problems.

Hi Bohemian,
Now I see the general intent of reciprocity per state extended to all other states, which leads to the question, which states have very easy-going open carry laws vs. DC which has no carry laws, closely followed by CA where it is easier to own or use a car that warns would-be perps that they are about to get too close to a protected car, and if they continue that car charges up a hefty knock-down stun shock then zaps the curious admirer and the pro-car-jacker with equal effectivenesses. Great if you can't hear well, understand English or are NOT a young kid who wanders over to a 'fancy taking car' and gets killed by a 700K volt discharge, or U R a cardiac 70 y/o survivor & it fries your pacemaker. Middle ground with one set of rules for all who have a CCW permits would make life so much easier, get less permit owners into trouble if they drove from 1 state to another and make the LEO training 1 set of rules to abide by, not hundreds to cross-check. One nation under God but 50 states all with their own spin on how to enforce gun laws to serve the public whether the public have lived there all their lives or are just driving thru.
Step 1: Clean house. Take the most anal anti-gun or shoot on sight with no warning gun laws U may find still legal in some states and flush 'em, then take a look at states where open carry is legal, whether it causes 'public concern' or is just a way of life, then find a combo of the best CCW laws and practices that work not to alarm Joe-Publics/sheeple, satisfy our needs for armed self defense in a no-nonsense manner, easy for a non-lawyer to understand and use those as a template for drafting a nation-wide gun ownership & CCW USC code or Amendment to the Constitution effecting all states, to legally own, carry in areas where one state says is cool but another ='s jail is one big fucking mess of many.
Flush antiquated State gun or CCW laws and replace them with the very best parts of CCW friendly all states laws that allow an honest/legal NIC checked adult to own and carry (concealed) for their protection and that of others, specifying exactly how far that others in need merits U dropping an ugly domestic perp U had no need to get involved with. A LEO's job! As the ONLY gun/CCW law to fit all 50 states it becomes federal, not state, or county, or city legal volumes of attorney talk! Those few sates that will not allow that right then in the next year fiscal budget do not provide them with any federal funds to upgrade any of the billions they expect to get, when levees break or bridges wash away, or pot-holes make driving a tire-busting trip you may be very surprised how many ultra-anti-2nd die-hards would have a change of heart, or they could secede (if guns are that important an issue to their daily lives, which I doubt) if the majoriity of that state by vote says 'Let them have their guns' or they want to run a police state and block all trade in and out of that maverick new nation inside the USA and see how long they survive on their own! Radical ways of making a state comply to fair CCW laws but not the 1st time a state has been threatened with cessation of vital Federal funds to bully them into national compliance over many non-gun related issues. Fact is maybe only 5 states have the funds and economies to go it alone and survive seceded withdrawal from the union, and they would get depleted real fast keeping law, order and their economies alive. Sure the open carry states will piss & moan that their hand-cannons now have to be hidden from public view to maybe meet a new national law. But is that such a must have right you MUST have or just a minor compromise? If showing off your shooter in public is that important for you, then PLEASE go with your convictions and vote NO! But on the flip side, just imagine giving that right to legally carry a smaller concealed pistol to any Californian (to name but one state where CCW is tough to get or keep) and millions who would thank our government and those who made it law happen. I'm trying to look at a uniform one law that fits all states, is a sensible and enforcible change in legally arming all Americans and giving those who meet the NIC standards the right our founding fathers had, to bear arms not in plain sight as they engaged regiments of Red-Coats, but a much more discreet way to arm the folks who if they had the ability to protect themselves by pulling a pistol from a hidden holster could send a message to armed criminals everywhere: Is that citizen walking down the road worth their own life for what's in that wallet if their intended hit produces a gun and stops the BG dead in his/her tracks. I used AZ as an example of a real rough area where guns put into the right hands dropped the violent crime rate from way-heavy to infrequent in a month. There will always be exceptions, but IMHO the more BG's we keep guessing that is it worth their life to jack a store, an innocent or burglarize some home/business then breeze thru 5 years of probation would be more like services at 10am in a local grave-yard. A potent message. Give America a year to work out what is legal and stupid with these all nation CCW laws and just one set of rules/laws and requirements to follow (I could fit that into a 50-page pocket handbook @ $5 a copy) and even those (maybe) 100K al-Q sleeper cells may think twice about taking their Jihadist plans out on a well armed nation of millions of private citizens who they never knew were armed or targets where ever they surface, where maybe 1/3rd in any crowd are packing weapons that could kill them, or hold them until a LEO shows, they would never know it until they get stopped (or killed) planting an IED outside a kindergarten or subway station by a nation full of vigil armed US-wide CC-permit legally armed citizens all guided by one set of CCW laws, not many version of one single intent on one amendment to that initial template (The Constitution) for a brand new American dream in 1776, a document that (IMHO) needs an update to meet the needs of 21st century global terrorism threat that is not going away by taking our guns away to leave us as sheep for well-armed wolves! News Osama-bin-Dick-wad may not like to hear in a nation where everyone he knows owns and proudly displays their full-auto weapons, RPG's and 'martyr' belts. Food for thought. I think our cops would like to know that many folks in a bad situation had their interests/safety in mind and were willing to help out maintain the law when/if the cops start losing control of it, ala Katrina not so long ago! Thinking out-side the box of of how our sworn enemies expect us to behave, but in fact arming millions of Americans to thwart any al-Q future plans to turn your home town into a replica of say Basra or Mosul or Kabul could be prevented. 4-get all this seems 2 make some sense long post if we get Obamanized, just like being lobotomized, leaves U with no thinking brain left and very compliant to the will of the Koran all polished up to sound very Yankee-Doodle patriotic, with our troops home ASAP, disabled Vets properly rated and cared for, educated kids in good schools, and good paying jobs for all who may then figure-out that U gotta pray to Mecca but pay your taxes to DC to get those 'new deals' ala Obama-nationalism. I leave this thread & those inflamatory words to those who have their own input. Hope it gets pros + cons feedback.
Salaam, Shalom, Cheers, CYA and laters....

Canis-Lupus
 
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Bohemian

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"What part of shall not be infringed" do these politicians not understand?

here we are trying to get a nationwide ccw law passed when it is already covered by the second amendment...

Vermont and Alaska have it right, carry anything, anywhere, anytime, open carry, concealed carry, no permits, registrations etc...

baby steps I guess, ccw almost nationwide reciprocity now, abolish the irs and the batfe and 22,000 + and counting superfluous gun laws next...

I have enjoyed the feedback so far from Canis-Lupus and others...

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Ruger Lady

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Unfortunately I won't be getting my 2 senators to vote for this bill because they are Hillary and Chuck.
The stupid thing is if you read my little quote at the bottom of my posts, this IS New Yorks Civil Rights law that's on the books. I guess it doesn't mean anything to these 2 or McCarthy, let alone the rest of the libs of the NY legislature.
 

Bohemian

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Unfortunately I won't be getting my 2 senators to vote for this bill because they are Hillary and Chuck.
The stupid thing is if you read my little quote at the bottom of my posts, this IS New Yorks Civil Rights law that's on the books. I guess it doesn't mean anything to these 2 or McCarthy, let alone the rest of the libs of the NY legislature.

It may not make any difference, but if you have not done so already, you could still go to:
NRA-ILA :: Action Center
and let Chuck and Billary know that they still have constituents that believe in the Second Amendment and that you would appreciate that they start supporting it, instead of trampling it, or something to that effect. Every letter written to a U.S. Senator, Representative, the President etc., becomes public record. They also generally reply, regardless of whether its the way you would like, and that response will give you some hard core ammo and blogging material for future reference...
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Ruger Lady

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I have written to them and my local reps also but the only response I've ever gotten was from my District Senator Winner. Who states he's against more gun regulations.
 

FN1910

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I am totally against this bill for several reasons. First I don't want the federal government meddling any more in the state's business than absolutely necessary. Be very careful what you wish for because what the Fed's give they can also take away. This would be the start of Federal CCW licensing and I don't think the people of Vermiont and Alaska really want that. Second is from what I understand the law does not apply to all states. The Federal government has no business making any law that only applies to just some states. We already have that in the 1964 civil rights acts and it winds up just being punishment for the Confederate states. Drivers license recognition is not a Federal deal but rather an agreement between the states.

So if you want the BATF controlling how you can carry in your state keep on supporting Sen. Vitter and his misguided proposals.
 

Canis-Lupus

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Franchising what was never meant to B splintered.

Dear FN1910
I respect your point of view, but it is to me a very provincial one. U R damn right that if we turned it all over to the Feds then it could be an Alaska friendly open carry mentality in every other 49 States, 48 if U throw in VT, or it may nose-dive into DC overnight! Personally I don't want to see guns all over the place, in almost every place I go and neither do the tens of thousands I know/knew or have met in 30 years of living with or around guns think they belong in most hands as commonly as wedding rings do! I do not want CA or DC Draconian BG friendly moronic crap pushed down my throat. I don't want to fear that the ass I accidentally bumped into walking down the street will take my life for that innocent mistake. Night & day! There are just too many laws and forgetting just 1 puts a legal gun owner into a world of hurt, years in jails learning to be a BG, or a hole in the ground. The H.R. as it will be presented does NOT make it a Fed 1-rule book/law or USC or 2a Amendment (the beta) that fits all, it just tries to un-fuck the reciprocity (one issue) SNAFU and make one CCW state less confusing to other states. It does try for more cooperative and working on the same laws, more compatible with other like-minded states and easier for the legal gun owner to comprehend. But when it comes down to the very essence of the 2nd, that sir was a federal permission granted by the brand new U.S. government (not any one state) to bear arms granted to already armed rebels turned Americans and very new to nation building. Over 200 years and God only knows how many states spins on that federal amendment we now have a gun law for almost each state, whole states that are are nowhere near gun friendly and a very few where you may get run out of town for not owning something that shoots lead; there's no place like Nome :) (Humor)
The abolishment of slavery did not become even close to the freedoms African Americans have today in all 50 states, and racial prejudice although illegal has still not vanished in every state, so to turn a human who was the property of another took a Civil War (the bloodiest our nation ever fought) to even start the process and U, or someone reading this may have grown up in a state not so long ago where signs said 'Whites Only!'. Give America another 50 years and if we still have the right to own guns then those rights may be the the same in every state, not the patch-work quilt of legalisms that is now status-quo. Give my 2nd to Barack Hussein Obama and the ghost of Britannia will descend upon this nation before his term is 1/2 way done. Now think those words through and understand there will probably be a human settlement on Mars by the time all 50 U.S. states agree that one law suits every state not just the ones with the most CW friendly few.

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Bohemian

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I am totally against this bill for several reasons. First I don't want the federal government meddling any more in the state's business than absolutely necessary. Be very careful what you wish for because what the Fed's give they can also take away. This would be the start of Federal CCW licensing and I don't think the people of Vermiont and Alaska really want that. Second is from what I understand the law does not apply to all states. The Federal government has no business making any law that only applies to just some states. We already have that in the 1964 civil rights acts and it winds up just being punishment for the Confederate states. Drivers license recognition is not a Federal deal but rather an agreement between the states.

So if you want the BATF controlling how you can carry in your state keep on supporting Sen. Vitter and his misguided proposals.

"WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND"
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GOA (Gun Owners of America):
GOA Alert-- June 18, 2008

NRA (National Rifle Association):
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Under the constitution is the right to keep and bear arms Dependant on your zip code?

Does not everybody have the inalienable right to defend themselves by any means necessary, any place, any time, with equal or greater force then what can be brought against them?

When states and other municipality's start infringing upon our second amendment and inherit rights according to our zip code, I EXPECT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND FIX IT.
The fact that the states arbitrate and mandate and require a CCW license/permit in it self is a clear infringement, but for the time being it is what we have to deal with; because to many citizens do not pay attention to the issues and let crap legislation get voted in because they failed to oppose it. I am all for Vitter's support of getting the states to recognize each others existing CCW's just like they do for drivers license's...

But make no mistake I would support a federal CCW reciprocity act in a heartbeat, do people in Los Angeles or New York City have less of a inherit right to defend themselves just because they do not live in Alaska or Vermont?
 

FN1910

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My understanding of the Vitter amendment is based almost totally on what I have read on the Internet, primarily gun boards and if my understanding is correct this ammendment does nothing toward expanding or defending 2A rights. The only thing it does is require states such as SC to honor GA permits. It does not require states such as CA to honor GA or SC permits. It does not require any state to issue permits and does not require any state to expand or enhance their permit program.

It is not a nationwide program but only to those states where CCW and reciprocity is already in place but simply takes the reciprocity agreement out of the hands of those states. It is a first step in a Nationwide CCW and if you think that when it comes about that the people of Vermont will still enjoy the fredom they have I have a bridge to sell you.

Unlike another senate reciprocity measure, S. 388, Vitter’s bill does not establish "national standards" for concealed carry. It simply says that states that allow concealed carry must recognize the CCW permits of other states.

Vitter's bill also respects the rights of states that allow concealed carry without a permit. Citizens of Vermont and non-license holders in Alaska are allowed to carry concealed without a permit. Under the Vitter bill, these states would be recognized in the same manner as states that do issue permits.

States that do not allow concealed carry at all are not forced, under the Vitter bill, to recognize out-of-state permits. There are currently two such states, Illinois and Wisconsin. While it is deplorable that these states refuse to trust their citizens with firearms, this is an issue that has to be dealt with at the state level.

Why is he punishing states for trying to do what they believe the people of the state want. If CA or HI do not want to accept out of state permits, or Fl does not want to accept non-resident permits then why should they be singled out while IL and WI get exempted. This bill reeks of favoritism and pandering. If he wants to truly do something for 2A then step up and help the people of IL, WI and DC rather than this BS.
 

tattedupboy

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It would be interesting to see what CA would do. Have to allow any out of state person with a CCW to carry…. But still not issue to residents with the exception of “special” people.

Actually, Michigan was this way for years. Before it became shall issue in 2001, Michigan, as it does even today, for years honored resident permits from all other states, but was only may issue for its own residents. Thus, people who did not live in Michigan actually had more rights there than Michiganders themselves!
 

Bohemian

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My understanding...

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GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ONESELF BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, USING EQUAL OR GREATER FORCE THEN MAY BE BROUGHT AGAINST THEM ANY PLACE, ANY TIME HAS NEVER BEEN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE...

"WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
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If I have a valid drivers license in one state I am allowed to drive in any other state in the U.S. and any foreign country without having to pay for driving privileges therein...

Under the current CCW system; I am gouged by multiple states at regular intervals and can break the diverse CCW laws of a particular state without knowing it...
Vitter and others have attempted a Nationwide Reciprocity bill several times and the uber liberal, ultra left wing nut jobs like Kennedy(s), Obama, Clinton(s), Kerry, Feinstein, Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, et.al. have used their majority thanks to THE NON VOTING SILENT MAJORITY to pretty much have their way if not for W. BUSH there would have been no stopping them the last two years...

Unlike a drivers license, which is clearly a state issue covered by the 10th amendment; GUN LAWS are a Federal issue and the states were never given the right to infringe upon god given, inalienable, fundamental rights of every individual, even the Federal Government has no right to infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms, but they have as have the states; and they have been able to do so not because the majority of people want to give up their inalienable rights; but because the majority of people listen to the media and blog posts on the internet, hearsay, fail to do their own research, verify facts, make informed decisions and act on them by voting in all elections big and small; writing their representatives state, federal and local, and letting them know how they feel about particular issues...

The Senate & House Switch Boards being shut down multiple times last year, their fax machines, emails and snail mail boxes overflowed; should give everybody an idea of what can happen if people get off their keisters and be proactive...

VITTER IS ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS!

If you fail to support CCW Reciprocity, and Vitter and the Gun Owners of America (GOA Alert-- June 18, 2008) then you may as well turn in your guns now, if you even own any, and vote for Barack Hussein Obama and the other nut jobs that are supporting him, either implicitly or explicitly...
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If you do nothing then you are supporting gun control, amnesty, higher taxes et.al. ...

If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...
 

ToneGrail

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Actually, Michigan was this way for years. Before it became shall issue in 2001, Michigan, as it does even today, for years honored resident permits from all other states, but was only may issue for its own residents. Thus, people who did not live in Michigan actually had more rights there than Michiganders themselves!

Ironically, Delaware is this way. However, Delaware honors non-resident permits from FL. So I, as a MD resident, will be able to carry in Delaware under my FL permit.
 

createdeemcee

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Ironically, Delaware is this way. However, Delaware honors non-resident permits from FL. So I, as a MD resident, will be able to carry in Delaware under my FL permit.

Thats right!, Hey guys have the full recip hearings been heard yet or are they completed?
 

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