Nationwide CCW - Right To Carry (RTC) Reciprocity (S. 388)


Bohemian

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Nationwide CCW - Right To Carry (RTC) Reciprocity (S. 388) sponsored by Nevada Republican Senator John Ensign.

S. 388, which was introduced by Senator John Thune (Republican-South Dakota) on January 25, 2007, is a further effort to protect individuals' Second Amendment rights by extending right to carry reciprocity to any person possessing a valid concealed firearm carrying permit. This bill has been referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

Don't let this bill die write your senators and those in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

Write the Senate Committee on the Judiciary:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/

Write your Senators:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Write the media:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/media/

Read the full bill to amend the U.S. Code:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-388

Mike Huckabee on the issues and policies:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/

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Apollo

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Both of my senators from OK are co-sponsors. Hoo ray for them. I have many inconveniences because of not having the right to carry in some states. I afford Illinois like the plague because of this and I don't go home to see my family unless something is wrong... because of this. I hope it becomes law.
 

sailor

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Nationwide CCW

A good idea, maybe just a dream, for now. I wonder if the SCOTUS coming up with the right (logical) answer for Heller vs. D.C., and the Presidential and other elections settled, might not be the time to push this in a serious way. The end results of the above events will make a huge difference in making this (S. 388) a dud, or reality. In any case, the concept needs to be kept alive and well. I would be curious to know what kind of support there is in both (current) houses of Congress for this bill. Has it been heard in any committees yet?
sailor
 

Ektarr

Dedicated Infidel
I must once again apologize that I'm from New Jersey, where the Senators and Governor here would rather put out their eyes with hot pokers than allow CCW legislation to become Law. It doesn't seem to get in the way of their circumventing the NJ Constitution to permit an ineligible candidate to run for office, but, hey...they have their standards!

I could write to, say, "Senator" Lautenberg and ask for his support, but what I'd get back would look something like pre-chewed Liberal pablum-crap, full of platitudes and condescentions that bore no resemblence to the issue I wrote about.

I have written on occasion to OTHER States' legislators about such issues, only to be informed that they don't consider requests or inquiries from non-constituents. Ah, well...

Those of you who can, please do, and good luck to you! I'll use my resources where they'll actually do some good...currently, deciding who's the best cat to put into the White House to make all this poop go away!
 

gordo

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Two bills with the same wording have also been introduced in the House of Representatives, HR 226 and HR 861. Borh have been referred to the House Judiciary Committee. We need to write our Representatives and the House Judiciary Committee also. Those of you that write, I hope will publish your letters or emails on the Letters to the Editor forum to help some of us that may be somewhat chalanged
 

gordo

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OOPS, accidentally hit a wrong key.

continuing-challenged in proper wording and could use some suggestions.
 
I must once again apologize that I'm from New Jersey, where the Senators and Governor here would rather put out their eyes with hot pokers than allow CCW legislation to become Law. It doesn't seem to get in the way of their circumventing the NJ Constitution to permit an ineligible candidate to run for office, but, hey...they have their standards!

I could write to, say, "Senator" Lautenberg and ask for his support, but what I'd get back would look something like pre-chewed Liberal pablum-crap, full of platitudes and condescentions that bore no resemblence to the issue I wrote about.

I have written on occasion to OTHER States' legislators about such issues, only to be informed that they don't consider requests or inquiries from non-constituents. Ah, well...

Those of you who can, please do, and good luck to you! I'll use my resources where they'll actually do some good...currently, deciding who's the best cat to put into the White House to make all this poop go away!
Im from Massachusetts ( cant wait to get out )

So I share your sentiments

We have Kerry and Kennedy for senators, so its useless for us in the Commie-wealth of Massachusetts to even bother writing them a letter.
 

Red Hat

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I'm an advocate of a National CWP law and have followed this bill for a little while. Here is an interesting thread we had earlier on this subject. Link Removed
 

caldwelljoe

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EKTARR,

I am acutely aware of your pain. I grew up in Old Bridge, moved from Caldwell about 5 years back to Milford, PA and a 5 year carry license no questions asked. Well, recall that even cops could not enter NJ before HR218? I once covered the NJ page at packing.org, and many cops used to write asking about that. I'm sure Il,Hi,MD,D.C., NJ, NYC,&NYS, CA, etc.. were thrilled to allow retired cops carrying in their jurisdictions.

They will one day soon be equally joyful to find us carrying there too:)
 
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Stick In The Mud

I hate to sound like the proverbial stick-in-the-mud, or the fly-in-the-ointment, but I oppose any such law from the feds forcing reciprocity or even just recognizing the validity of state gun control laws infringing upon the right to keep and bear arms. Any of this legislation being proposed in Congress that does not remove or overrule, through the supremacy clause in the Constitution, state law that infringes upon the RKBA is de facto recognition by Congress that such state law is valid.

All the several states' laws granting "permission" for people to carry arms via permit or license are nothing more than exceptions in law to the laws prohibiting the carrying of arms in the first place. Do you really want Congress to "bless" all those laws by recognizing the carry laws and forcing the several states to recognize those same laws in all the other states? I certainly don't! It will be nothing more than a further deepening of the entrenchment of the infringements on our RKBA.

These proposed forced reciprocity laws have but one purpose: Placation. Don't give in to it. Stand your ground. If we give up now, it'll only lead to more infringement. Congress and the Court have a place. Put them back in it and away from our rights. If we do it now with our voices and our votes, we won't have to do it later with less arms than what we have now! You have a choice.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone. B.E.Wood
 

rabywk

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So how would this work, if passed. Say a CCW holder comes to Illinois (where there is ZERO CCW allowed other than LEOs), would they be allowed to carry? Now if Illinois keeps its no CCW for citizens, but you hold and out of state CCW from another state would you be allowed to carry?
 

gordo

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The way the bill currently reads, I would say yes to both of your questions, rabywk. I see no mention of residency. But you can bet IL would interpret it differently!
 

caldwelljoe

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Cowboy,

As a Libertarian, I agree completely. Although you are correct, we must be realistic, only insurrection, or the spontaneous combustion of all liberal minded politicians would change what we have now.

HR218,18USC926A, Shall Issue from state to state, and soon nationwide carry, has been, will have to be through legislation.

I'm not too happy about it. I want small efficient Government that does not meddle in our lives. The only way to start the process is to never again vote Democrat, and carefully assess a Republican,Libertarian, or Independent candidate before voting them in.

Off the soap box.
 

kwo51

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This is not how we will win.
JPFO ALERT: SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY The National Rifle Association has done it. Again. Having advertised itself for more than a century as the nation'sforemost defender of the Second Amendment, the NRA has once againgiven aid and comfort to politicians -- all of the "usual suspects":Carolyn McCarthy, Charles Schumer, Patrick Leahy, Harry Reid, and thatperennial Judas goat John Dingell -- as well as to pressure groupslike the Brady Campaign, who are determined to destroy that right, byassisting passage of a law with the potential to strip hundreds ofthousands of military veterans of their basic right to own and carryweapons. This latest slap in the gun owner's face by the overstuffed suitsat the NRA -- the same gang who eagerly signed off on the Gun ControlAct of 1968, despite its origins in Hitler's Germany -- establishesthe "principle" that individuals with the slightest of mental health"problem" (anyone, for instance, who ever sought professional help formild depression or difficulty sleeping) have no inalienable right toself-defense. (For more information on the Nazi roots of the 1968 Gun ControlAct, be sure to see _Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny_, available at: http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=24 )
 

Brainchild

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Dammit!
You're right,Woody.I was all excited,too.But,in truth,you are right.So,what should we do?What should we demand of Congress?That they knock down all of the states' laws forbidding the possesion and carrying of weapons by law abiding citizens?I am not being sarcastic,I am seriously asking.Cause I will write to my reps and demand that very thing.They already know me by name,I'm sure.


-Brain
 

Bohemian

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Repeal NFA 1934, GCA 1968 and FOPA 1986 abolish the unconstitutional IRS and BATF and all the B.S. goes away and we get back to being able to defend ourselves using the same or greater force, weapon etc that could possibly be used against us...

Still hard to imagine they are still trying to read more into "shall not be infringed"
 

gordo

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Repeal NFA 1934, GCA 1968 and FOPA 1986 abolish the unconstitutional IRS and BATF and all the B.S. goes away and we get back to being able to defend ourselves using the same or greater force, weapon etc that could possibly be used against us...

Still hard to imagine they are still trying to read more into "shall not be infringed"

They understand "shall not be infringed". like their wages and retirement.
The problem is they don't understand Rights!
 
Dammit!
You're right,Woody.I was all excited,too.But,in truth,you are right.So,what should we do?What should we demand of Congress?That they knock down all of the states' laws forbidding the possession and carrying of weapons by law abiding citizens?I am not being sarcastic,I am seriously asking.Cause I will write to my reps and demand that very thing.They already know me by name,I'm sure.


-Brain

What you propose is part of the solution. Voting for people who will do what is necessary will also help.

I'm trying to find out who in the NRA supported this legislation so that I may campaign against them when they come up for election. This bill passed with the approval of the NRA heavies. I thought about quiting, but the NRA is as much my voice as it is those on the board. But, those on the board can be removed and replaced with people who will support the Second Amendment and our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. That is another avenue to pursue.

Joining other groups protecting our rights to firearms will help as well.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. Governments come and go, but your rights live on. If you wish to survive government, you must protect with jealous resolve all the powers that come with your rights - especially with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Without the power of those arms, you will perish with that government - or at its hand. B.E. Wood
 

speedracer815

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If this passed would it mean that out of staters could carry in states that don't allow carry? Would it mean that my PA carry permit would allow me to carry in IL and WI?
 

HK4U

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Rights

They understand "shall not be infringed". like their wages and retirement.
The problem is they don't understand Rights!

I think they understand rights. They just don't think the sheeple should have any.
 

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