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jg1967

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A friend of mine claims that it is mandatory for a concealed weapon to stay concealed at all times. That is with the person carrying it having a CCW permit of course. I do live in North Carolina. While it seems logical than an openly carried weapon may not be concealed at any time the reverse seems a bit odd. Does anybody know more about this?
 
I read over that but did not see that question answered there. In my logic however, if open carry is okay in NC would that not logically mean that someone carrying concealed should not be encountering any problems if at some point his vest moves and the gun is revealed etc? He is still lawfully carrying after all. I am considering eventually taking a CCW class but I am German - so I have to make sure I have all the t's crossed and the i's doted or I won't rest easy ... ;-)
 
I'm betting your logic is correct. To be on the safe side, I would call or email your Attorney General and see what response you get.
 
jg1967 said:
I read over that but did not see that question answered there. In my logic however, if open carry is okay in NC would that not logically mean that someone carrying concealed should not be encountering any problems if at some point his vest moves and the gun is revealed etc? He is still lawfully carrying after all. I am considering eventually taking a CCW class but I am German - so I have to make sure I have all the t's crossed and the i's doted or I won't rest easy ... ;-)
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Does that mean you only carry firearms made in deutschland?
 
Lol ... actually my favorite 2 choices right now would be a Beretta PX4 in 40SW and a Bersa Thunder 380 so neither one was made where Bier and Bretzeln were invented ... ;-):biggrin:
 
jg1967 said:
A friend of mine claims that it is mandatory for a concealed weapon to stay concealed at all times. That is with the person carrying it having a CCW permit of course. I do live in North Carolina. While it seems logical than an openly carried weapon may not be concealed at any time the reverse seems a bit odd. Does anybody know more about this?
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Yes that's incorrect. NC is an open carry state, so long as not in a no firearms zone. I am an instructor and routinely shift between open and concealed carry based on the setting. Thanks & Stay Safely Armed! :biggrin:
 
If state law only allows for concealed carry, any form of printing or exposing the firearm would likely be illegal. Concealed means concealed.

If either concealed carry or open carry is allowed, then accidentally or unintentionally showing a portion of an otherwise concealed firearm is not a problem. When you are in a state where either form of carry is allowed, it is probably not "mandatory" to do one or the other as long as you are following state law.

Go to Handgunlaw.us to learn what states honor your states permit (or perhaps do not require a permit to carry at all), and what each state laws requires or allows you to do. For example, you may open carry without a permit in South Dakota, but a permit is required to carry concealed. Minnesota on the other hand, does not care how you carry your gun, but a permit to carry is required. Wisconsin has always allowed open carry without a permit, but has forbidden concealed carry since 1872.

You just have to follow the laws of the state in which you are standing. As always, some restrictions apply.
 
CCWOFNC said:
Yes that's incorrect. NC is an open carry state, so long as not in a no firearms zone. I am an instructor and routinely shift between open and concealed carry based on the setting. Thanks & Stay Safely Armed! :biggrin:
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Does NC require an individual to have a CC permit/license to OC (outside of GFZ like school zones)?



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Don't be so sure of that. I happen to know that in at least one shall-issue state (I believe it's New Mexico) where open carry is also legal, that the law does clearly make this distinction; if you're carrying concealed, there can be no printing or anything that detects the presence of a handgun. If it's openly carried, it must be in full view.


jg1967 said:
I read over that but did not see that question answered there. In my logic however, if open carry is okay in NC would that not logically mean that someone carrying concealed should not be encountering any problems if at some point his vest moves and the gun is revealed etc? He is still lawfully carrying after all. I am considering eventually taking a CCW class but I am German - so I have to make sure I have all the t's crossed and the i's doted or I won't rest easy ... ;-)
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Tell your friend that he/she doesn't make laws. In NC OC & CC are legal (of course you need a CHP for one!). There is one little line in the state statute that says; "NOTE: You should not attempt to display either your weapon or your permit unless directed to by an officer." But then NC is also an OC state, go figure.:yu:
 
Open carry is legal in North Carolina. A CHP allows you to carry that weapon concealed. A CHP does not void any of your other rights, such as the right to open carry. Some states (like Texas) prohibit open carry, therefore it would be illegal in that state to OC with a CHP. This is not the case in NC.

See STATE V. ROBERT S HUNTLEY

if at some point his vest moves and the gun is revealed etc?
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If that happens then I am temporarily open carrying, which is legal. The only thing is if a cop observes this he might ask you if you have a CHP.

NOTE: You should not attempt to display either your weapon or your permit unless directed to by an officer."
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This is not a situation where a concealed handgun is observed as in the open-jacket situation or open carrying. This is for the idiots that, when stopped by a cop and they are carrying a concealed handgun (with permit) they say "look, here it is" and pull out their piece. As innocent at that action might be, that action tends to be frowned on by cops. LOL
 
I think it depends on the LEO you come across.

A couple of years ago I went to the fair with the family & was wearing shorts & t-shirt. I dropped my J frame in my front pocket & went off to the fair.

Well a deputy sheriff that was their motions me over & asks if I have a permit to carry (I did & showed him). He then tried to get on me threatening brandishment charges because he could see it (all he could see was the very tip of the butt, I had my wife check later (kudos to him for being that observant)). As we were discussing it a buddy of mine (who also happens to be a state trooper) came over & explained to the deputy that KY is OC & asked him what I would have done if I had the pistol strapped to my waist. They went back & forth about concealed means concealed.
As a concession I walked away with the pistol in my cargo pocket. I am not sure what would of happened if my buddy would not of happened to be there.
 
I guess I don't think about the "must" as a legal thing. When I CC I make sure that my "friend" can not be seen and I don't what the way I look to scream "she has a gun". So to be CC mean sight unseen.
When I OC I make sure my "friend" is in sight and I dress causal.
So OC is everyone can see.
CC is CC and only other CCs would know where to look.
 
Rereading my post I need to expound a bit... The but of my 649 wasnt sticking out of my pocket. The deputy was looking into my pocket. The shiny backstrap was only visible at exactly the right angle while looking into my pocket.
I have since bought shorts that have deeper pockets (now if only I did) :biggrin:
 
Boomer said:
Rereading my post I need to expound a bit... The but of my 649 wasnt sticking out of my pocket. The deputy was looking into my pocket. The shiny backstrap was only visible at exactly the right angle while looking into my pocket.
I have since bought shorts that have deeper pockets (now if only I did) :biggrin:
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Well, in a case like that where you are carrying "ghetto" in your pocket you'd probably attract attention. Cop would probably be curious if you were concealing illegally. Lot of hoods cram a gun in their waistband or pocket and don't realize there's a part visible. In a situation where it is in a proper holster, it wouldn't be suspicious.
 
Anthony_I_Am said:
Well, in a case like that where you are carrying "ghetto" in your pocket you'd probably attract attention. Cop would probably be curious if you were concealing illegally. Lot of hoods cram a gun in their waistband or pocket and don't realize there's a part visible. In a situation where it is in a proper holster, it wouldn't be suspicious.
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Not to mention dangerous. Carrying in a holster is a critical aspect of firearms safety. The holster should encompass the trigger to minimize the possibility of the trigger being unintentionally squeezed.



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Glock Fan said:
Not to mention dangerous. Carrying in a holster is a critical aspect of firearms safety. The holster should encompass the trigger to minimize the possibility of the trigger being unintentionally squeezed.
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It is possible to carry in a pocket if you take the time to make sure you holster and gun fit properly. Or you can use compression shorts with a built-in and then modify the pocket (for you guys have your wife do it) so that you can reach in, just don't put you wallet in that pocket.:wink:
 
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