Moving out of NY. Taking pistols with me questions.

[Movingsoon]

Hi,
I'm moving out of NY before Cuomo gets elected. I just sold my house and will be moving to New Hampshire which does not require a permit to own handguns. I have a hunting target permit in NY and would like some suggestions on how to move with my pistols. I can't get out of here fast enough but I am obligated to do this transfer legally. Truth be told, I wish I never took the time to even get a permit in NY. I had to deal with the horrible staff at the Erie county pistol permit office and it took 18 months to get a permit. Then I saw this and I know why it took so long:

Democrats officially nominated Cuomo for governor at the state convention in Rye Brook. His running mate, Rochester Mayor Robert Duffy, received the nod for lieutenant governor. Erie County Clerk Kathy Hochul beat the drum for Cuomo. Hochul said, “Ladies and gentleman, let’s make Andrew Cuomo the next governor.”

Any help or suggestions from people who have relocated from NY would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

 

[utimmer43]

Congrats on the move. Forgive me, but I do have to chuckle, as this question could only come from a NY native.:biggrin:

Unload them, put them in some sort of gun case (which I would imagine you would do anyway to protect them), put them in your trunk, and drive to NH.

When you get to NH, take them inside your new house, and thank God you now live in a relatively free state.

 

[twogunwilly]

Congrats on your move. I don't blame you this state sucks!

 

[Movingsoon]

I wasn't sure what to do. I thought there may be a NY fee or surcharge to transfer my pistols out of state. Or some more fingerprints and photos plus a couple of trips down to see Kathy Hochul with a money order in hand.

I'll be sending my permit back to NY in less than six weeks! Can't wait to get rid of the thing.

Did you know you can OPEN CARRY in New Hampshire without a permit?? I can strap on my pistol and walk out in the woods legally!

 

[utimmer43]

If you really want to celebrate your freedom, once you get to Schenectady, take route 7 all the way in to VT. Once inside VT, feel free to reload all your handguns. Strap one onto your hip, visibly. Perhaps another one in a shoulder holster. Pop a mouse gun in your pocket. Stick one in the glove box, one in the center console, and one in the door flap. All legal, no permit required. Just make sure you unload them all before going into NH. But you don't necessarily have to put them all back in the trunk.

BTW, taking that route will also keep you out of MA, which eliminates one more hassle.

 

[Movingsoon]

Thanks for the reminder about MA. I won't be going anywhere near that state. Concealed carry permits in NH are simple and painless to get:

"The selectmen or mayor or chief of police shall issue a license to the applicant authorizing him to carry a handgun if he is a suitable person to be licensed and has good reason to fear an injury to his person or property or has any other "proper purpose." Hunting, target shooting or self-defense shall be considered proper purposes."


You've got to love that! I live in Buffalo and there's a shooting here every single day. Self defence is NOT a proper reason for requesting a CC permit and they denied me! I have a totally clean record and have not had so much as a traffic ticket in over 15 years but they denied me!

In NH, they have to issue you the concealed carry permit within 14 days! It took like 9 months for the Erie county pistol office just to call my references! 18 months total for a permit to own and target shoot only plus they said I need to keep trigger locks on it at all times when not in use.

 

[HK4U]

I would like to see all the law abiding citizens move out of all the Marxist cities and states and leaving only street criminals and bureaucratic criminals. Let them devour each other. Leave places like Chicago, NY, LA, Detroit to be just what they have become, storage facilities for human garbage.

 

[twogunwilly]

Now unfortunately you have to list being denied for a permit. Did they list any specific reason? Fight it your entitled to an appeal, lawyer up

 

[ricardo900]

Congratulations!!!

Hi,
I'm moving out of NY before Cuomo gets elected. I just sold my house and will be moving to New Hampshire which does not require a permit to own handguns. I have a hunting target permit in NY and would like some suggestions on how to move with my pistols. I can't get out of here fast enough but I am obligated to do this transfer legally. Truth be told, I wish I never took the time to even get a permit in NY. I had to deal with the horrible staff at the Erie county pistol permit office and it took 18 months to get a permit. Then I saw this and I know why it took so long:

Democrats officially nominated Cuomo for governor at the state convention in Rye Brook. His running mate, Rochester Mayor Robert Duffy, received the nod for lieutenant governor. Erie County Clerk Kathy Hochul beat the drum for Cuomo. Hochul said, “Ladies and gentleman, let’s make Andrew Cuomo the next governor.”

Any help or suggestions from people who have relocated from NY would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Just to be on the safe side, give Erie County a call and find out if there are specific things you need to do while moving out of the state. I know in NYC, you have to legally dispose of all firearms, which includes verification from the local authority of that particular jurisdiction that you notified them on your intent of possessing a firearm in their district. Plus, you have to attach a letter given reason for cancellation of permit, among other things. If you don't notify the police department first in writing, you could be charged with a Class A Misdemeanor(NYPL 265.10, sub. 7).

I know it sucks, but you would want to dot all i's and cross all t's when dealing with state of ny.

 

[mrjam2jab]

Just to be on the safe side, give Erie County a call and find out if there are specific things you need to do while moving out of the state. I know in NYC, you have to legally dispose of all firearms, which includes verification from the local authority of that particular jurisdiction that you notified them on your intent of possessing a firearm in their district. Plus, you have to attach a letter given reason for cancellation of permit, among other things. If you don't notify the police department first in writing, you could be charged with a Class A Misdemeanor(NYPL 265.10, sub. 7).

I know it sucks, but you would want to dot all i's and cross all t's when dealing with state of ny.

Maybe i'm misunderstanding...what does disposing of have to do with moving out of state?

 

[ricardo900]

Maybe i'm misunderstanding...what does disposing of have to do with moving out of state?

They mean getting rid of your firearm, by selling or moving. Since the pistols are registered to the City or State of NY and listed on the permits. They want to know exactly where the pistol is located and where it is going. If you sell it or move it, they want to know and documentation proving it. This is the New York State law charging you.

Any person, other than a wholesale dealer, or gunsmith or dealer in
firearms duly licensed pursuant to section 400.00, lawfully in
possession of a firearm, who disposes of the same without first
notifying in writing the licensing officer in the city of New York and
counties of Nassau and Suffolk and elsewhere in the state the executive
department, division of state police, Albany, is guilty of a class A
misdemeanor.

The state/city of ny somehow considers any firearm you own, their property and they have in the past confiscated legally owned firearms.

 

[HootmonSccy]

Thank God I escaped 13 years ago!!! Thank God Almighty!!!
I have a friend that moved down from NY (Born and raised in the city) about 8 years ago, and he still comes up with questions about guns that only someone from NY could ask.. My usual answer .. You have your permit, put the damn thing in your pocket and relax..
He recovers a little every day, now that he is out of NY.. But it's a slow process..

 

[45ACP]

My only question is ...

They mean getting rid of your firearm, by selling or moving. Since the pistols are registered to the City or State of NY and listed on the permits. They want to know exactly where the pistol is located and where it is going. If you sell it or move it, they want to know and documentation proving it. This is the New York State law charging you.

Any person, other than a wholesale dealer, or gunsmith or dealer in
firearms duly licensed pursuant to section 400.00, lawfully in
possession of a firearm, who disposes of the same without first
notifying in writing the licensing officer in the city of New York and
counties of Nassau and Suffolk and elsewhere in the state the executive
department, division of state police, Albany, is guilty of a class A
misdemeanor.

The state/city of ny somehow considers any firearm you own, their property and they have in the past confiscated legally owned firearms.

if I cross the border leaving NY state (permanently), how exactly is it any business of NY my whereabouts, with respect to me or my weapons? Forgive me I'm rather simple minded ... and don't understand "authority" seemingly extending beyond their jurisdiction. I'll take that towel now!

Joe

 

[Movingsoon]

Now unfortunately you have to list being denied for a permit. Did they list any specific reason? Fight it your entitled to an appeal, lawyer up

Please read the post over again. I was GRANTED a Hunting Target permit but I was DENIED a concealed carry permit on the grounds that self defence is NOT a reason for wanting a CC permit in Erie county.

I applied for the full, unrestricted permit and was granted a hunting target permit which is useless for home defence because I live in Buffalo and must have trigger locks on the pistols at all times when not in use.

 

[wolfhunter]

if I cross the border leaving NY state (permanently), how exactly is it any business of NY my whereabouts, with respect to me or my weapons? Forgive me I'm rather simple minded ... and don't understand "authority" seemingly extending beyond their jurisdiction. I'll take that towel now!

Joe

I could see this law applying if you moved within the borders of NY, from one city or county to another; but as important as NY lawmakers may think they are, New York law doesn't apply outside New York.

Please read the post over again. I was GRANTED a Hunting Target permit but I was DENIED a concealed carry permit on the grounds that self defence is NOT a reason for wanting a CC permit in Erie county.

I applied for the full, unrestricted permit and was granted a hunting target permit which is useless for home defence because I live in Buffalo and must have trigger locks on the pistols at all times when not in use.

So you applied once and approved once, just not for the full CCW you asked for. Your earlier post could be read that you had a Hunting/Target permit, applied for a Concealed Carry, and were denied. My first sentence means you don't have to report a denial. The second sentence means you do have a denial to list.

 

[utimmer43]

Please read the post over again. I was GRANTED a Hunting Target permit but I was DENIED a concealed carry permit on the grounds that self defence is NOT a reason for wanting a CC permit in Erie county.

I applied for the full, unrestricted permit and was granted a hunting target permit which is useless for home defence because I live in Buffalo and must have trigger locks on the pistols at all times when not in use.

If you are asked about any denials, (I think NH does ask this question) it would probably still be wise to disclose that info on your NH permit application. In the interest of not seeming like you are trying to hide anything, a simple explanation (just as you have done so here) should do well to set the record straight. I think most issuing authorities in shall issue states know well enough that a denial in NY, NJ, MD, et al, does not mean that they are dealing with a trouble maker.

 

[ricardo900]

Beach vs. Kelly!

if I cross the border leaving NY state (permanently), how exactly is it any business of NY my whereabouts, with respect to me or my weapons? Forgive me I'm rather simple minded ... and don't understand "authority" seemingly extending beyond their jurisdiction. I'll take that towel now!

Joe

A NYC resident had his permit revoked and his guns confiscated when he took his firearms to Nevada for a gun convention. He possessed a premise permit and is ONLY allowed to take their firearms to authorized gun ranges in the city, PERIOD! The court rejected the FOPA argument and determined he violated the NYPD socialist rules & regs. "Possession of a handgun is a privilege, not a right, and is subject to the broad discretion of the New York City Police Commissioner"
Matter of Beach v Kelly (2008 NY Slip Op 05814)

They also discussed this on defensive carry's forum.
Beach vs Kelly NYC - DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum

 

[mrjam2jab]

Link Removed does ask...and as already mentioned...I'm guessing a denial from NY doenst necessary cause a stir. :biggrin:

Although NH doesn't ask for specifics...just Yes/No on denials.

 

[wolfhunter]

A NYC resident had his permit revoked and his guns confiscated when he took his firearms to Nevada for a gun convention. He possessed a premise permit and is ONLY allowed to take their firearms to authorized gun ranges in the city, PERIOD! The court rejected the FOPA argument and determined he violated the NYPD socialist rules & regs. "Possession of a handgun is a privilege, not a right, and is subject to the broad discretion of the New York City Police Commissioner"
Matter of Beach v Kelly (2008 NY Slip Op 05814)

They also discussed this on defensive carry's forum.
Beach vs Kelly NYC - DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum

That resident's mistake was GOING BACK TO NYC. The OP is permanently moving out of NYS jurisdiction.

 

[Movingsoon]

If you are asked about any denials, (I think NH does ask this question) it would probably still be wise to disclose that info on your NH permit application. In the interest of not seeming like you are trying to hide anything, a simple explanation (just as you have done so here) should do well to set the record straight. I think most issuing authorities in shall issue states know well enough that a denial in NY, NJ, MD, et al, does not mean that they are dealing with a trouble maker.

I was NOT denied a permit. I was GRANTED a permit for Target/Hunting only. I applied for an unrestricted permit and they gave me what they wanted......hunting & traget only. Here is what it says, Word for Word:

Dear Permit Holder:

Please accept my congratulations on recieving your pistol permit. Enclosed are your permit and a letter outlining some of your rights and responsibilities as a pistol permit holder.

In addition, please be advised that the Licensing Officer has ordered the use of trigger locks on all handguns.

Please pay particular attention to the classification under which your permit is issued. To carry your weapon outside that classification may result in revocation of your permit.

( ) Unrestricted
(X) Restricted

Target only
*Target & Hunting*
Security
Business

Very Truly Yours,
Kathy C. Hochul
Erie County Clerk

There was also a letter enclosed by Pistol Permit Supervisor William Fowler that has all kinds of warnings about Article 35 NY State Penal law, and using the pistol for self defence, etc. I have no idea how I can use the pistol for self defence when I am required to have trigger locks on it at all times except at the range or when hunting. Nice.. Eighteen months of this crap, hundreds of dollars and multiple trips downtown for fingerprints, paying fees, dropping off receipts etc. All for this?? Thank you Kathy Hochul.

New York State and New York CITY are very different when it comes to handguns. Only people like Robert DeNiro, Howard Stern, etc can get any type of handgun permit in NY City. I'm not in NYC so those laws do not apply to me. By the way, my NY STATE pistol permit is invalid in NY City. If I were to take my pistol into NY City, it would be like having no permit at all.